On 25 May 2005 10:51:02 -0700, wrote:




Are you admitting the error of your implication that I start a lot of OT posts?


--
John H
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!)

And you have been innocent in this? Seems to me you have been one of
the
more prolific OT posters and crossposters here

***********
I don't deliberately cross post. Our porfane net cop is taking care of
the cross posting in his/her effort to secrew up the group. The only
place I noramlly post is here. The only group in which I normally
respond is here. Click on the "Reply" line in a Google newsgroup, you
don't know where the post may go beyond the group you're reading.

I have posted OT, but no more than many of the regulars, yourself
included.

Am I "innocent" in areas of profanity, cross posting, using anonymous
remailers, spoofing the ID of others, initiating threads simply as a
vehicle to make personal attacks, posting obscene cartoons or photos
purported to be of other NG participants? Of deliberately disrupting
things and demanding that everybody else conform to my personal view of
what the NG should be?
Far, far more innocent than some- and certainly as innocent as most.

Can you follow a thread, John?

I responded to SallyRd, and deliberately avoided the peeing contest
that included 46 posts from:

atl-m
Snapper Trapper
*JimH*
John H
Harry Krause
Jack Goff
bb
Freddy the Troll
Alfredo
Flaky Foo
Ferdinand
Tony
NOYB
Netsock
FOA

That's not "jumping into the middle", it's walking around the edge to
the other side of the pile.

One thing that would help, in general,would be if those who
have appointed themselves the arbiters of the NG would observe the same
standards they demand from others.

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ups.com...
And you have been innocent in this? Seems to me you have been one of
the
more prolific OT posters and crossposters here

***********
I don't deliberately cross post. Our porfane net cop is taking care of
the cross posting in his/her effort to secrew up the group. The only
place I noramlly post is here. The only group in which I normally
respond is here. Click on the "Reply" line in a Google newsgroup, you
don't know where the post may go beyond the group you're reading.

I have posted OT, but no more than many of the regulars, yourself
included.

Am I "innocent" in areas of profanity, cross posting, using anonymous
remailers, spoofing the ID of others, initiating threads simply as a
vehicle to make personal attacks, posting obscene cartoons or photos
purported to be of other NG participants? Of deliberately disrupting
things and demanding that everybody else conform to my personal view of
what the NG should be?
Far, far more innocent than some- and certainly as innocent as most.


You are certainly not innocent of inflaming, posting OT and cross posting.

I saw your post as a bit hypocritical considering the cross posting you have
contributed to in at least OT threads ('Aiming Pee' and 'the most important
question in life') and the amount of OT posting you are currently involved
in, mostly political in nature.

I never said I was innocent. But I did not post a complaint about OT
posting.

Fair enough. Let's move forward and work towards improving things.

On 25 May 2005 11:25:27 -0700, wrote:

And you have been innocent in this? Seems to me you have been one of
the
more prolific OT posters and crossposters here

***********
I don't deliberately cross post. Our porfane net cop is taking care of
the cross posting in his/her effort to secrew up the group. The only
place I noramlly post is here. The only group in which I normally
respond is here. Click on the "Reply" line in a Google newsgroup, you
don't know where the post may go beyond the group you're reading.

I have posted OT, but no more than many of the regulars, yourself
included.

Am I "innocent" in areas of profanity, cross posting, using anonymous
remailers, spoofing the ID of others, initiating threads simply as a
vehicle to make personal attacks, posting obscene cartoons or photos
purported to be of other NG participants? Of deliberately disrupting
things and demanding that everybody else conform to my personal view of
what the NG should be?
Far, far more innocent than some- and certainly as innocent as most.

Chuck, if you'd get Agent, it would show whether a post was crossposted and to
how many groups. Then you get the choice of crossposting again or keeping it in
the current group.

--
John H
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!)

On 25 May 2005 11:34:46 -0700, wrote:

Can you follow a thread, John?

I responded to SallyRd, and deliberately avoided the peeing contest
that included 46 posts from:

atl-m
Snapper Trapper
*JimH*
John H
Harry Krause
Jack Goff
bb
Freddy the Troll
Alfredo
Flaky Foo
Ferdinand
Tony
NOYB
Netsock
FOA

That's not "jumping into the middle", it's walking around the edge to
the other side of the pile.

One thing that would help, in general,would be if those who
have appointed themselves the arbiters of the NG would observe the same
standards they demand from others.

I gave up. No one seemed interested. Now you can carry the torch a while. If you
decide to try, I'll support you. Get Harry convinced, and basskisser.

--
John H
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!)

I gave up. No one seemed interested. Now you can carry the torch a
while. If you
decide to try, I'll support you. Get Harry convinced, and basskisser.

*********

There's no reason to carry any sort of torch. At all.
Every person here has the capacity to constructively influence the
group. It's simple:
We simply need to:

1) Take conscious control of and responsibilty for the tone and content
of our *own* posts. Nobody else can force us to behave badly, it's a
choice we make and need to be responsible for.

2) Avoid reading posts from people we find inflammatory. If we can't
read a from Person XXX without getting so upset that we react
shamefully, why read posts from Person XXX at all?
Sometimes, Person XXX only posts because he or she is hoping for a
ridiculous, emotional reaction from almost anybody. Responding with
insults and getting into a peeing contest with
such a person is like trying to douse a fire with gasoline. Wrong
tactic.

There is no way that any type of bad and/or destructive behavior by
anybody will turn this group around. If several people contest to see
who can be the biggest butthole, even if the stated purpose is to
"discourage others from behaving like a butthole," we wind up with a
group of contentious buttholes.

AFAIAC, the rest of the group can post whatever it wants. While I might
comment about certain practices, that stops well short of insisting
that everyone else should behave according to my preferences.(or taking
crazy steps when the group does not confrom to my wishes) Most of
these people are adults. More of the group could behave on an adult
level if it simply decided to do so.

Maybe you should consider picking the torch back up, but instead of
struggling to be torch-bearer for the entire community use it to light
your own way? :-)

You don't like Harry and basskisser? Don't read their stuff. It will
make a huge difference. The fact tha they exist on the same planet
shouldn't ruin your day.

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ups.com...
You don't like Harry and basskisser? Don't read their stuff. It will
make a huge difference. The fact tha they exist on the same planet
shouldn't ruin your day.


Since rec.boats has become such a wreck, the only fun left is to see what
Basskisser will say next. ; )

You do have to admit, he is very humorous.

On 25 May 2005 12:49:26 -0700, wrote:

I gave up. No one seemed interested. Now you can carry the torch a
while. If you
decide to try, I'll support you. Get Harry convinced, and basskisser.

*********

There's no reason to carry any sort of torch. At all.
Every person here has the capacity to constructively influence the
group. It's simple:
We simply need to:

1) Take conscious control of and responsibilty for the tone and content
of our *own* posts. Nobody else can force us to behave badly, it's a
choice we make and need to be responsible for.

2) Avoid reading posts from people we find inflammatory. If we can't
read a from Person XXX without getting so upset that we react
shamefully, why read posts from Person XXX at all?
Sometimes, Person XXX only posts because he or she is hoping for a
ridiculous, emotional reaction from almost anybody. Responding with
insults and getting into a peeing contest with
such a person is like trying to douse a fire with gasoline. Wrong
tactic.

There is no way that any type of bad and/or destructive behavior by
anybody will turn this group around. If several people contest to see
who can be the biggest butthole, even if the stated purpose is to
"discourage others from behaving like a butthole," we wind up with a
group of contentious buttholes.

AFAIAC, the rest of the group can post whatever it wants. While I might
comment about certain practices, that stops well short of insisting
that everyone else should behave according to my preferences.(or taking
crazy steps when the group does not confrom to my wishes) Most of
these people are adults. More of the group could behave on an adult
level if it simply decided to do so.

Maybe you should consider picking the torch back up, but instead of
struggling to be torch-bearer for the entire community use it to light
your own way? :-)

You don't like Harry and basskisser? Don't read their stuff. It will
make a huge difference. The fact tha they exist on the same planet
shouldn't ruin your day.

You're doing a great job. Keep it up! Carry your own torch also! If Jim bothers
you, don't read his posts. You are doing quite well preaching at one who is not
a name-caller, but I notice you say little to those who are. Why would this be?



--
John H
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!)

You are doing quite well preaching at one who is not
a name-caller, but I notice you say little to those who are. Why would
this be?

**********

Because those who never contribute anything except steaming vomit are
normally unworthy of response.

Forgive the "preaching." I was merely addressing your comment (that you
have given up trying to change to tone of rec.boats) by pointing out
the one certain thing we all can do. I don't know why you should be so
personally offended by the pronoun, "we", but- whatever.

*************

JohnH wrote:

If Jim bothers
you, don't read his posts

*********

When I deteriorate to launching attack threads, calling names, and
following JimH around the NG throwing in snide personal remarks after
everything he submits, you will know that he has finally "bothered" me.
JimH isn't such a terrible guy----he's at least consistent and you know
*exactly* what to expect when he enters a thread. He's only changed his
handle a few times over the years, his current handle can be associated
with his actual name, and in my book that gives him a lot more credit
that people using anonymous remailers to act as stupidly as possible.
Some of the worst polluters change handles several times a day- very
understandable considering how quickly they "dirty" the old ones.