"Florida Keyz" wrote in message
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When I said manatee do not belong here, is because there were inported
from
West India to miami to eat the plants clogging the cannals.

Info from SaveTheManatee.org:

Fossil remains of manatee ancestors show they have inhabited Florida for
about 45 million years. Modern manatees have been in Florida for over one
million years (probably with intermittent absences during the Ice Ages);
i.e., a lot longer than people have lived here. The present Florida manatee
(Trichechus manatus latirostris) is a subspecies endemic to Florida. Genetic
studies to date indicate that it is not derived from the populations in
Mexico or Central America, but more likely colonized Florida from the
Greater Antilles thousands of years ago, after the last Ice Age. However,
there is no evidence that manatees are now entering Florida from Central
America, the Caribbean, or anywhere else. The manatees in Florida today have
every right to be considered Florida natives.

David S.

All the fossil evidence proves is the manatee died here not that they thrived
here. I suspect they migrated south in the winter and the ones who stayed,
died. It is certain they weren't holed up in a 2 mile stretch of the Okeechobee
water way next to a power plant. I also find it interesting that SMC sued to
make FPL heat the water from this plant when an efficiency upgrade lowered the
temperature of the discharge water.
The heat source IS pollution as defined in the Endangered Species Act but SMC
won't let them mitigate it. I think SMC leaders need dead manatees to sustain
their phony baloney jobs. Otherwise why do they force FPL to attract them to
the ONLY east west water route across Florida? It's like putting a salt lick in
the middle of I-75 and then wondering why all the deer keep getting hit.

On 06 Mar 2004 06:20:31 GMT, (Greg) wrote:

I suspect they migrated south in the winter and the ones who stayed,
died.

You suspect? Now there's sound scientific proof of nothing.

It is certain they weren't holed up in a 2 mile stretch of the Okeechobee
water way next to a power plant.

No, more likely in many of the natural springs along the coast.

I think SMC leaders need dead manatees to sustain
their phony baloney jobs.

That's what you get for thinking.

bb

Hey....you've got to admit that if SMC tried to get a power plant to make
its effluent water warmer, there's some flawed thinking going on all over
this debate. It seems to be a Florida problem. I don't hear salmon fishermen
complaining around here when the state talks about closing some old
coal-fired plants whose warm water attracts those fish.

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 14:17:06 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:
you've got to admit that if SMC tried to get a power plant to make
its effluent water warmer, there's some flawed thinking going on all over
this debate.

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You bet. The SMC not only tried, they won the case. How ludicrous is
that? Our tax payer dollars at work -- in some really perverse ways.

Manatees are nothing but road kill on the road of life. They are dumb
and slow, and that's why they get hit. Porpoises by the hundreds
frolic in and around SWFL boating channels all of the time and never,
ever get hit.

Callous? Perhaps, but that IS the reality.

We already have a Manatee County and a Manatee River. Now we need a
Manatee Grill.

Too right Wayne,
The manatee was about to win the Darwin Award for being unfit. We the
humans have decreed they are too big, fat and stupid to die out. Hence, the
SMC and a bunch of uninformed loud typers from snow country want to decide
the fate of local river usage and kill off the marine industry.

Probabaly never dodged a manatee in their lives.



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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 14:17:06 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:
you've got to admit that if SMC tried to get a power plant to make
its effluent water warmer, there's some flawed thinking going on all
over
this debate.

====================

You bet. The SMC not only tried, they won the case. How ludicrous is
that? Our tax payer dollars at work -- in some really perverse ways.

Manatees are nothing but road kill on the road of life. They are dumb
and slow, and that's why they get hit. Porpoises by the hundreds
frolic in and around SWFL boating channels all of the time and never,
ever get hit.

Callous? Perhaps, but that IS the reality.

We already have a Manatee County and a Manatee River. Now we need a
Manatee Grill.

The fact still remains thart fossils only prove an animal died here, not that
it was successful living here. Most of those natural springs are gone too.
Maybe the SMC should go into the cities and turn off all the water taps. Lets
see how successful they are at shutting down the golf courses and water parks.
Maybe they could eliminate "new home" starts.

On 06 Mar 2004 16:00:57 GMT, (Greg) wrote:

The fact still remains thart fossils only prove an animal died here, not that
it was successful living here.

Are you suggesting Florida was a manatee graveyard for millions of
years, where they came only to die after living successful lives
elsewhere? Why do you suppose manatees came to Florida to die? And
why do you suppose foreign manatees suddenly stopped coming here to
die?

Most of those natural springs are gone too.

Where did they go?

Maybe the SMC should go into the cities and turn off all the water taps.

Is that what they mean by hyperbole?

Lets
see how successful they are at shutting down the golf courses and water parks.

Is that more hyperbole?

Maybe they could eliminate "new home" starts.

And more?

bb

Manatee MIGRATE when there are no artificial sources of hot water. The ones
that don't move to warmer water DIE. (aproximately 68f degree water or colder
will kill them) That's from Mote Marine Lab.


Most of those natural springs are gone too.

Where did they go?


The water was pumped out for the people living here. My artesian well is now at
14' down.
It is clear you are probably someone from Chicago or somewhere who really
doesn't have a clue what is going on in the areas that are affected by these
manatee rules.
The JUDGE said the manatee speed laws in Lee County have no basis in science
when they were thrown out. They were drawn simply to placate polititians and
the SMC bearing no reflection on the science of where the manatee go.
There is NOBODY from DEP, USF&G or Fish and Wildlife who are monitoring
manatee on a regular basis. I work with them, I know that.

On 07 Mar 2004 03:37:41 GMT, (Greg) wrote:

It is clear you are probably someone from Chicago or somewhere who really
doesn't have a clue what is going on in the areas that are affected by these
manatee rules.

It's clear, once again, you don't let ignorance keep you from running
your mouth. I've lived on Florida's west coast since 1957. I make my
living on the water, and have for 25 years. I'm very familiar with
the manatee issue on a first hand basis.

If you repeat your lies and misinformation enough times, Greg, no
doubt you'll find someone who will believe you.

bb