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"Dr. Dr. K.G. Sherlock" wrote in message ... JimH, This discussion was more interesting than many in rec.boats. Indeed. But it reached a point where arguments were being repeated over and over and over again. |
"Jim Carter" wrote:
"Dr. Dr. K.G. Sherlock" wrote: This in depth discussion with James and Floyd shows the confusion about the natives of the North. I found this web site and I would like to hear James and Floyds review of the information provided. That web site demonstrates a significant problem with learning much of anything about Eskimo people or their cultures. The site is filled with both correct and incorrect information. And generally speaking that is true of almost anything you can find on the Internet or in any library. "Eskimo" is one of the most misunderstood topics that exist. A researcher practically has to be an expert to find useful information, simply because it requires knowing what to accept and what to reject. For the average person that is simply impossible. For example, just about every tale you've ever heard about Eskimos is wrong. They don't give you their wife, they don't put old people out to die, and despite 200 years of claims to the contrary, they do have a *very* sophisticated concept of private property, and a *very* sophisticated form of governance. This web site agrees with Floyd. http://www.quarkexpeditions.com/arctic/culture.shtml Hi Dr. Sherlock: The following is a cut and paste from the above web site..... ** The word "Eskimo" comes from eskipot, an Algonquian word meaning "an eater of raw flesh." Some Eskimos feel this attribution puts them in a poor light with modern audiences and prefer to use other terms. The most widely used is "Inuit" which really refers specifically to the Eskimos of the eastern Canadian Arctic.** "Refers specifically to the Eskimos of the eastern Canadian Arctic"? No, it doesn't. Nor does "Eskimo" come from a single Algonquian word having anything to do with eating raw flesh. Here is a more complete quote, demonstrating the mix of accurate and inaccurate statements: "The most widely used is "Inuit" which really refers specifically to the Eskimos of the eastern Canadian Arctic. In the Bering Sea region, Eskimos prefer to be called "Yup'ik," while the North Slope Alaska Eskimos prefer "Inupiat" and Mackenzie Delta Eskimos prefer "Inuvialuit." (The word "Eskimo" will be used occasionally to refer to all native Arctic people.)" The use of geography to draw the lines between differing Eskimos is erroneous. There are, for example, many Inupiat people living in the Bering Sea region. And of course many of the Yupik people are Alutiiq or Siberia Yupik, not Yup'ik. (The writer of that text is apparently unaware that Yup'ik means only Central Alaskan Yupik, not all Yupik.) It also totally ignores Greenland. There are other similar problems with the entire text. For example the section on cultural history is based on several false premises. It should be noted that the migration of the Inuit language and the Thule technology eastward into Canada and Greenland was a migration of culture, not people. DNA studies have indicated that probably not more that 250 individuals actually migrated into Greenland from more western locations, yet virtually the entire Dorset population of Greenland eventually adopted Thule technology and eventually became today's modern Inuit. This is exactly what I was referring to. I am a Canadian. The Inuit are Canadian from the Eastern Arctic. I said that numerous times. ( You will note that the web site is from CT. USA. ) That is an incorrect statement. There are Inuit people from western Alaska all the way to eastern Greenland. However, the only people who typically refer to themselves as Inuit, when speaking English or Inuit, are the Canadian Inuit you speak of. All of the others use different words to describe themselves, both in their language and in English. Please, DO NOT refere to the Inuit as "Eskimos". They really don't like it at all! That isn't true in the sense that you continue to claim. I'm glad that you live in the same country that some Eskimos do, and have an interest in being polite to them. I've lived most of my life in the same house with Eskimos... Quyanukpuk -- Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
Well put! I enjoy Chuck's boat reviews.
************* The piece on the 680 Legend isn't really a review. It's called a walkthrough. General description- some impressions. No technical evaluations made, no techncal evaluations claimed. Falls into the same category of "What I like most about......(country music, clam chowder, the Eiffel Tower, scuba diving, etc)" |
"Bert Robbins" wrote:
"Jim Carter" wrote: Floyd: It takes time for some people to adjust to proper and polite society. It may take years for you to change your outlook on life, as you see it, just as it took years for most people in the USA to accept that certain racial slurs are not acceptable to most people. If you want to call your Yupik people "Eskimo" then by all means, go ahead, it's your life, but, please do not refer to the Inuit in the Canadian Far North as "Eskimo" To do so, you will then be referred to as an uninformed bigot. I am not "Black" but I would not think it proper to call a black person a "******" even if "he" calls himself one. Therein lies the problem. If the term is derogatory then it is derogatory by any and all that use it, one segment of society cannot reserve the term for their exclusive use. I'm not sure that is a valid statement. However, one thing is positive, the term "Eskimo" is *not* derogatory by definition. The etymology is not derogatory, the proper meaning is not derogatory, and the common usage is not derogatory. The fact that some Canadians began to use it in a derogatory manner doesn't change the English language around the world. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
"Dr. Dr. K.G. Sherlock" wrote:
Jim C, He does agree with you that Eskimo is considered derogatory in some areas of the north ..... "but is still acceptable in Alaska, mainly because Alaska includes Yup'ik people who are closely related culturally and linguistically but are not Inuit. 'Eskimo' includes Yup'ik as well as Inuit."** I think where you and Floyd disagree is if natives from the Alaska area would prefer to be called Inuit or Eskimos. According to the two experts I cited, those native to Alaska prefer to be called Eskimos verses Inuit. There are *no* people in Alaska who commonly refer to themselves or anyone else as Inuit. The Inupiat people (and the majority of people where I live are Inupiat) are in fact Inuit Eskimos. And of course the more numerous Eskimos in Alaska are Yupik, not Inuit. (My children and grandchildren are all Yupik.) And we should note that appropriate use of the term Eskimo is impossible to avoid in Alaska, since there is no other word with the same meaning. That makes it a commonly used word here, but in Canada and Greenland it is rarely needed simply because all Eskimos there are in fact Inuit, and that *is* what they should be called. Since I live in the lower 48 I meet very few Alaskan natives, but I did find this discussion interesting. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
Nice lyrics, but what's the melody? It doesn't work to well with "99 Bottles of
Beer". On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:34:52 -0400, "JimH" wrote: "Floyd L. Davidson" wrote in message ... "Jim Carter" wrote: "Dr. Dr. K.G. Sherlock" wrote in message ... Sorry, I forgot the link. http://www.isteve.com/2002_Name_Game..._or_Eskimo.htm Hi Dr. Sherlock: Here is another Cut & paste from the above web site: ** Tom Alton, the editor of the University of Alaska at Fairbanks' Alaska Native Language Center, pointed out, "The name 'Eskimo' is considered derogatory in some areas of the North but is still acceptable in Alaska, mainly because Alaska includes Yup'ik people who are closely related culturally and linguistically but are not Inuit. 'Eskimo' includes Yup'ik as well as Inuit."** You will note that Tom Alton agrees that the term "Eskimo" is considered derogatory. You will also note that the Alaska Native Language Center uses the word Eskimo consistently, in virtually everything they publish. You might also note that the Institute of Eskimology at the University of Copenhagen does too, and so does Sila, the Greenland Research Centre at the National Museum of Denmark. The fact is that you cannot teach the history, anthropology, linguistics, or archaeology of either Canada or Greenland with out using the term "Eskimo". You have to realize that not only are Inuit not the only Eskimos in the world, but that historically they were not the only Eskimo cultures and languages in either Canada or Greenland. Suggesting that the word is either racially charged, insulting, or inappropriate is simply ignorant of the English language. And lastly, keep in mind that the whole concept of Eskimo being inappropriate comes from the idea that it is a Cree insult meaning "People who eat raw meat". Of course that isn't insulting, and isn't what the word means anyway. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) Who cares? 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