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Yep. And based on your beliefs you will love my newest posts. As they are
boating related they must be OK, eh? "Paul Schilter" ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote in message ... JimH, Well we can agree to disagree. :-) Paul JimH wrote: Nice troll. It may be about boating but it is spam none the less. wrote in message ups.com... Dedicated to my special friend.... snip Yachtsmen considering a vessel of this size and quality would be well advised to inspect Hull #680-10 at Adventure Yachts. Her market value is $2,252,000. For additional information, please contact Adventure Yachts at 206-283-3010 or visit the website www.adventureyachts.com |
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 18:23:32 -0500, Paul Schilter
""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote: Jim, Didn't know that. Where does the term Eskimos come from? I take it they wish to be called "Inuit"? From http://www.alaskan.com/docs/eskimo.html Eskimo The Eskimo are the native inhabitants of the seacoasts of the Arctic and sub-Arctic regions of North America and the northeastern tip of Siberia. Their habitation area extends over four countries: the United States, Canada, the USSR, and Greenland. Of the more than 90,000 Eskimo in this region, the greater part live south of the Arctic Circle, with approximately 28,000 on the Aleutian Islands and in Alaska; 17,000 in Canada; 1,500 in Siberia; and 45,000 in Greenland. The word Eskimo is not an Eskimo word. It means "eaters of raw meat" and was used by the Algonquin Indians of eastern Canada for these hardy neighbors who wore animal-skin clothing and were adept hunters. The name became commonly employed by European explorers and now is generally used, even by Eskimo. Their own term for themselves is Inuit (the Yupik variant is Yuit), which means the "real people." The Eskimo inhabit one of the most inclement regions of the world. Their land is mostly tundra--low, flat, treeless plains where the ground remains permanently frozen except for a few inches of the surface during the brief summer season. Although some groups are settled on rivers and depend on fishing, and others follow inland caribou herds, most Eskimo traditionally have lived primarily as hunters of maritime mammals (seals, walrus, and whales), and the structure and ethos of their culture have always been fundamentally oriented to the sea. One of the most striking aspects of traditional Eskimo culture is its relative homogeneity across more than 8,000 km (5,000 mi) of the vast expanses of the Arctic. The main institutional and psychological patterns of the culture--religious, social, and economic--are much the same. There are some differences in traditional kinship systems, however, especially in the western regions, and the language is divided into two major dialectical groups, the Inupik speakers (Greenland to western Alaska) and the Yupik speakers (southwestern Alaska and Siberia) Later, Tom |
"Paul Schilter" ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote in message ... Jim, Didn't know that. Where does the term Eskimos come from? I take it they wish to be called "Inuit"? Paul Hi Paul: The term " Eskimo" is taken from the Algonquin tribe language and the meaning is "eater of raw flesh". It was an ancient name that the Inuit detested as it was in reference to the, sometimes, act of cannibalism. The Inuit have always called themselves "Inuit" as a people and "Inuk" as a person. I have traveled to Rankin Inlet in Nunavut ( Canadian Northern Territory) to visit my niece who is a school teacher in this town. ( and to go fishing ) She told me of how the people react to Americans who call them "Eskimo". They definitely don't like it at all. James D. Carter |
On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 19:10:18 -0500, "Jim Carter"
wrote: "Paul Schilter" ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote in message ... Jim, Didn't know that. Where does the term Eskimos come from? I take it they wish to be called "Inuit"? Paul Hi Paul: The term " Eskimo" is taken from the Algonquin tribe language and the meaning is "eater of raw flesh". It was an ancient name that the Inuit detested as it was in reference to the, sometimes, act of cannibalism. The Inuit have always called themselves "Inuit" as a people and "Inuk" as a person. I have traveled to Rankin Inlet in Nunavut ( Canadian Northern Territory) to visit my niece who is a school teacher in this town. ( and to go fishing ) She told me of how the people react to Americans who call them "Eskimo". They definitely don't like it at all. That's odd. For some reason, we have a small contingent of Inuit here in town - I think two or three of the family teach in local colleges and at UCONN. They have never objected to the term Eskimo. Go figure. Later, Tom |
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 18:47:03 -0500, Paul Schilter ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot
net" wrote: John H, Well put! Can't we just all get along? Paul John H wrote: On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:54:45 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote: The OT political arguments have taken over rec.boats and any kind of actual boating post is desperately needed. If you check out the subscription rate for boating magazines you will see that many many recreational boaters find these articles enjoyable. I do not believe this articles or Chuck's other Boat "reviews" would ever be considered SPAM. SPAM is " Unsolicited "junk" e-mail sent to large numbers of people to promote products or services. Also refers to inappropriate promotional or commercial postings to discussion groups or bulletin boards." Again your interpretation(s) are yours & that's fine, I hold a different view. As for you comments about OT posts again this particular poster is one of the major OT posters in this NG, always starting or promoting political posts, so to now give him credit because he posts an ad promoting a boat??? Again that's your view. I get a whole hell of a lot of spam, and Gould's article wouldn't fall into that category, IMO. I would call Gould's article an 'infomercial'. It provides information (granted it's only one-sided) about a product. In this particular case, a trip to the web site would have provided about as much information, along with a virtual tour of the boat. My big question, after reading his post, was, "Does it run?" Gould didn't address any of the running characteristics of the boat, so I assume it was just a walk-through at the dealership. However, it *was* boating related, was much more than a 'For Sale' ad, and did provide some information. [Who would have known that a Gaggenau barbecue grill will prepare steak, ribs, chicken, or fresh seafood?] You questioned the truthfulness of the article and his deceit. Did you find anything in the article that was false? Before you get ****ed (which I hope you don't find necessary) please realize that I appreciate your posts showing the falsehoods associated with some of the things said about boat/engine articles. You often provide factual information enjoyable to read. Please continue doing so. OTOH, attacks on Gould when he posts one of these 'informercials' does no one any good. Your personal attacks of Harry, however deserved, detract from your on-topic posts and do nothing but start flame wars, as opposed to a discussion of the topic at hand. My advice -- Use a separate thread for your off-topic posts. Thanks. It sure wouldn't bother me a damn bit! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 00:32:38 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 19:10:18 -0500, "Jim Carter" wrote: "Paul Schilter" ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote in message ... Jim, Didn't know that. Where does the term Eskimos come from? I take it they wish to be called "Inuit"? Paul Hi Paul: The term " Eskimo" is taken from the Algonquin tribe language and the meaning is "eater of raw flesh". It was an ancient name that the Inuit detested as it was in reference to the, sometimes, act of cannibalism. The Inuit have always called themselves "Inuit" as a people and "Inuk" as a person. I have traveled to Rankin Inlet in Nunavut ( Canadian Northern Territory) to visit my niece who is a school teacher in this town. ( and to go fishing ) She told me of how the people react to Americans who call them "Eskimo". They definitely don't like it at all. That's odd. For some reason, we have a small contingent of Inuit here in town - I think two or three of the family teach in local colleges and at UCONN. They have never objected to the term Eskimo. Go figure. Later, Tom I've never had a Korean, Vietnamese, or Chinese object at my use of the term 'Oriental', which many say is derogatory. Perhaps your Inuit and my Koreans, Vietnamese, and Chinese are just very polite! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"K. Smith" wrote in message news: So you agree it's an ad then??? but say because it's an ad for a boat that's OK??? You can have your opinion on it & certainly some people accept & even like ads in the NG (dealers or those who work for dealers mostly:-)), none of which changes the fact that ads trying to sell things in this NG are called spam & the world is trying to stop spam in general & in no spam NGs particularly. As for this particular poster he regularly posts things he claims are his own work when in fact he's just dressing up a publicity ad to look like it's a true review & of course he has many many priors for posting blatantly false material in his efforts to sell things in this NG. Again for clarity I respect your view that you don't think it's spam, I hold a different view which I hope you will also respect. Personally, I've totally lost respect for your view. You complain about Chuck's "Spam" post which are at least ON topic, then you inundate us with an OFF topic post, wherein you don't have the curtesy to delete the useless repetition of what's been said, you add stupid nonsense regarding "Harry" ( who we all know, is an idiot) plus longwinded diatribes about your views on Spam (We couldn't really care less), etc., .... Karen, YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!! YOU are in NO way PART OF THE SOLUTION !!!!!! Hey Chuck ..... I enjoy reading your pieces about various boats and boat related stuff .... keep it up. Hey Karen ....... You used to contribute some half way decent material (we didn't alway agree) ..... most of your post nowadays ..... are junk. G If you'd like to go after ME for OT post ..... have at it. otn |
JohnH,
Oriental isn't derogatory, it just isn't appropriate when discussing people. It would be used to describe artwork, furniture or rugs, but not people. Asians is the term you mean to use when you use "oriental". "John H" wrote in message ... On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 00:32:38 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 19:10:18 -0500, "Jim Carter" wrote: "Paul Schilter" ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote in message ... Jim, Didn't know that. Where does the term Eskimos come from? I take it they wish to be called "Inuit"? Paul Hi Paul: The term " Eskimo" is taken from the Algonquin tribe language and the meaning is "eater of raw flesh". It was an ancient name that the Inuit detested as it was in reference to the, sometimes, act of cannibalism. The Inuit have always called themselves "Inuit" as a people and "Inuk" as a person. I have traveled to Rankin Inlet in Nunavut ( Canadian Northern Territory) to visit my niece who is a school teacher in this town. ( and to go fishing ) She told me of how the people react to Americans who call them "Eskimo". They definitely don't like it at all. That's odd. For some reason, we have a small contingent of Inuit here in town - I think two or three of the family teach in local colleges and at UCONN. They have never objected to the term Eskimo. Go figure. Later, Tom I've never had a Korean, Vietnamese, or Chinese object at my use of the term 'Oriental', which many say is derogatory. Perhaps your Inuit and my Koreans, Vietnamese, and Chinese are just very polite! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
John H wrote:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:54:45 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote: The OT political arguments have taken over rec.boats and any kind of actual boating post is desperately needed. If you check out the subscription rate for boating magazines you will see that many many recreational boaters find these articles enjoyable. I do not believe this articles or Chuck's other Boat "reviews" would ever be considered SPAM. SPAM is " Unsolicited "junk" e-mail sent to large numbers of people to promote products or services. Also refers to inappropriate promotional or commercial postings to discussion groups or bulletin boards." Again your interpretation(s) are yours & that's fine, I hold a different view. As for you comments about OT posts again this particular poster is one of the major OT posters in this NG, always starting or promoting political posts, so to now give him credit because he posts an ad promoting a boat??? Again that's your view. I get a whole hell of a lot of spam, and Gould's article wouldn't fall into that category, IMO. As you say John in your opinion, which I respect; clearly I hold a different opinion. I would call Gould's article an 'infomercial'. It provides information (granted it's only one-sided) about a product. In this particular case, a trip to the web site would have provided about as much information, along with a virtual tour of the boat. So it's an ad?? we're pretty close to agreement I would say the real difference is you don't think Gould is a spamming grub & I do, again we're both entitled to our view, although on many occasions I've caught him BS'ting on the facts, fuel usage hull constructions etc & always explained why. My big question, after reading his post, was, "Does it run?" Gould didn't address any of the running characteristics of the boat, so I assume it was just a walk-through at the dealership. No it was a fluff piece so he can pretend he's actually part of the marketing of big ticket boats, why?? who knows?? he says he's made enough over the years selling used cars to the unsuspecting & other people's boats for unearned percentages:-) but whatever the reason it's spam & is not allowed in this no spam NG. Even if you like it John, even if you, Paul otm or humphrey B bear & other Gould, Krause supporters all like it, that's just tough. I suggest you go to the website because Gould's endless spam shouldn't be posted here, anymore than the same person starts & continues endless OT political posts. Beware he's a full on Bs'ter of the first order he can worm around anything till he gets his own way or "makes the sale". However, it *was* boating related, was much more than a 'For Sale' ad, and did provide some information. [Who would have known that a Gaggenau barbecue grill will prepare steak, ribs, chicken, or fresh seafood?] Clearly not Gould I'd suggest but rarely does he know much of anything boating, even a BBQ when it's on a boat:-). You questioned the truthfulness of the article and his deceit. Did you find anything in the article that was false? False as in a lie?? well it's just the usual sales pitch with the important stuff missing, NB the usual unsupported claims of quality etc if you're really looking for the BS then have a good check of the "hand laid hull" claim this is classic Gould territory, the last time he claimed that one it was proven to be as accurate as his fuel consumption claims, that is it's just marketing BS. As for the claims of quality have a look around & you'll see the older of this mark being sold as what they are, just another Taiwanese elcheapo import. As for Gould himself posting this spam??? of course it's just another stunning example of his socialist lefty dumbo characterless hypocrisy. Remember John he regularly starts OT threads to lecture the NG about the evils of shopping for cheap poorly made imports at walmart & even worse, much worse:-) buying a Chinese toaster!!!! Honestly John how many toasters do you think it might take to equal the foreign exchange implications of just one of these Chinese (relax I know it's Taiwan but it depends on how you look at it & besides I wanted to say "junk":-)) junks & I use the term in it's western form:-). Yet when there's an advantage to the Gould spammer he seems to be a typical uneducated simpleton lefty & doesn't live by the standards he happily demands of others:-) He has a Chinese boat himself & when he replaced the motor did he buy local??? no of course not he bought another imported engine, in other words if there's an advantage to Gould in anything then he does it I suggest that's how he's lived his life, it seems unchallenged till now that is:-) you're defending a Krause supporting creep. Before you get ****ed (which I hope you don't find necessary) please realize that I appreciate your posts showing the falsehoods associated with some of the things said about boat/engine articles. You often provide factual information enjoyable to read. Please continue doing so. Errr .... um ... thanks for the permission John???? but I will invited or not:-) equally if nobody says anything about Gould's spam he really ups the load, this way he will pull his huge bald head in for a while, watch & see if I'm not right:-) Jim H is dead right in his posts above, nobody has any trouble seeing them as good examples of spam, this is just more of Gould's spam. OTOH, attacks on Gould when he posts one of these 'informercials' does no one any good. But hey John I feel better:-) indeed when there isn't some idiot dealer promoting Ficht renamed as E-Tec this is a bit of fun, I'm not thanking Gould for his spam of course just saying I don't mind doing it as I said, as a NG community service:-) Your personal attacks of Harry, however deserved, detract from your on-topic posts and do nothing but start flame wars, as opposed to a discussion of the topic at hand. My advice -- Use a separate thread for your off-topic posts. Well there ya go we do agree on one thing & the lying idiot flies with Gould, do you have the saying there "you fly with the crows you get shot with the crows"????? Thanks. Thanks to you & take care. K The Krause lie for today is the one where he tries to say that he can claim he "owns" a boat if he just goes out on a boat. Just as he used to email pics around the NG contributors but always on a "charter" boat!!! This lying idiot then claims that's because he learns more about fishing in his bay:-) One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in her car every day, but she doesn't own it. I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I questioned your wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it. No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console with, if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got out to the Gulf Stream. Bride and I caught and released: 1 white marlin 12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty fish. Assorted red snappers 1 amberjack 2 jack crevalle jacks 1 snook Nondescript sharks |
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