On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:54:45 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote:


The OT political
arguments have taken over rec.boats and any kind of actual boating post is
desperately needed. If you check out the subscription rate for boating
magazines you will see that many many recreational boaters find these
articles enjoyable. I do not believe this articles or Chuck's other Boat
"reviews" would ever be considered SPAM. SPAM is " Unsolicited "junk"
e-mail sent to large numbers of people to promote products or services.
Also refers to inappropriate promotional or commercial postings to
discussion groups or bulletin boards."

Again your interpretation(s) are yours & that's fine, I hold a
different view. As for you comments about OT posts again this particular
poster is one of the major OT posters in this NG, always starting or
promoting political posts, so to now give him credit because he posts an
ad promoting a boat??? Again that's your view.


I get a whole hell of a lot of spam, and Gould's article wouldn't fall into that
category, IMO.

I would call Gould's article an 'infomercial'. It provides information (granted
it's only one-sided) about a product. In this particular case, a trip to the web
site would have provided about as much information, along with a virtual tour of
the boat.

My big question, after reading his post, was, "Does it run?" Gould didn't
address any of the running characteristics of the boat, so I assume it was just
a walk-through at the dealership.

However, it *was* boating related, was much more than a 'For Sale' ad, and did
provide some information. [Who would have known that a Gaggenau
barbecue grill will prepare steak, ribs, chicken, or fresh seafood?]

You questioned the truthfulness of the article and his deceit. Did you find
anything in the article that was false?

Before you get ****ed (which I hope you don't find necessary) please realize
that I appreciate your posts showing the falsehoods associated with some of the
things said about boat/engine articles. You often provide factual information
enjoyable to read. Please continue doing so.

OTOH, attacks on Gould when he posts one of these 'informercials' does no one
any good.

Your personal attacks of Harry, however deserved, detract from your on-topic
posts and do nothing but start flame wars, as opposed to a discussion of the
topic at hand. My advice -- Use a separate thread for your off-topic posts.

Thanks.


--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Chuck,
Nice review, thanks.
Paul

wrote:
Dedicated to my special friend....

Legend 680 Pilothouse by President

There is an exciting new LRC on the docks of Adventure Yachts in
Seattle. There are four versions of the Legend Pilothouse series
available, in 64, 66, 68, and 70-foot lengths.
Currently in inventory is the Legend 680 Pilothouse, with a unique
"Skylounge" bridge. The practical configuration moves the helm and
primary controls to the upper deck, in an enclosed compartment that is
both a pilothouse as well as one of the social centers. The sweeping
view from the upper deck will be appreciated guests enjoying drinks and
snacks, as well as by the helmsperson.

The main and upper decks both feature Portuguese bridges, and the lower
side decks are sheltered by the overhang of the upper deck.

The Legend 680 strikes an impressive exterior profile, and a closer
inspection reveals that this elegant yacht has been carefully crafted
and selectively outfitted to meet the highest standards and
expectations.

Specifications:

LOA: (with bow pulpit and swim platform), 69'9"
LOD: 62' 6"
Beam: 19'
Tankage: 1400 US Gal fuel, 300 US Gal water, 140 holding
Mains: (2) Caterpillar 3406E 800HP diesel
AC Generator: Northern Lights 16kW
Hull: Hand laid FRP with "Reichold" Hydrex vinylester resin, and
epoxy barrier coat. Topsides: ATC (tm) Corecell PVC foam core
construction, vacuum bag infusion molded.



Walkthrough:

We began our tour of the Legend 680 Pilothouse with Skylounge by
stepping across the broad swim step with a set of stainless "U"
rails. The transom door is to starboard, and the cockpit is almost
entirely protected from sun and rain by the extended boat deck above.
The cockpit features heavy-duty stainless hawseholes, samson posts, and
port and starboard winches to assist when warping up to a dock. One of
four control stations, with bow thruster, stern thruster, and Kobelt
electronic engine controls is situated in the cockpit. A wide lounge
seat spans the transom, facing a gorgeous solid cherry table. A sink
and refrigerator freezer with icemaker will facilitate entertaining in
the cockpit.

We opened the main access hatch to the engine room and descended a few
molded FRP steps to inspect the machinery space. There is just under
standing headroom for a six-footer in this brightly-lit area, with more
than ample room to service the mains, filters, and other systems. (A
Reverso oil change system will help simplify routine maintenance).
We noted the WESMAR stabilizers, installed just forward of the fuel
tanks, as well as a Kabola diesel furnace hot water heat system.

The first of many pleasant surprises we discovered on the 680
Pilothouse was a complete workshop area aft of the main engine room on
the port side. The crew's stateroom is located at the aft end of the
workshop, along with an enclosed head. Crew's quarters feature
stacked single bunks, and are finished in the same high quality cherry
solids and veneers we would discover in the main compartments. A
watertight transom door allows access to and from the swim step from
the workshop and crew's quarters area.

In the main compartments, the experience of outstanding quality begins
when sliding open the thick, heavy, stainless framed glass door between
the salon and the cockpit.
The door is obviously very substantially built, but slides with only
the slightest pressure across what has to be a highly refined bearing
system. First impressions are lasting impressions, and the understated
elegance of the salon, trimmed in cherry, offers a striking
introduction to the interior of the 680 Pilothouse. A plasma video
screen, a decorative fireplace, and top quality designer furnishings
are showcased in the warm glow of a comfortable yet classy social area.

Just forward of the salon and to port is the galley. The 680 in stock
at Adventure features granite countertops throughout the vessel, and
the galley is equipped with deluxe appliances. A Gaggenau four-burner
electric cook top is mounted above a Miele convection oven. Other
appliances include a Broan trash compactor, a Frigidaire dishwasher,
and a side-by side top of the line GE "Profile"
refrigerator/freezer.

Curved steps to the Skylounge and pilothouse are opposite the galley,
as well as a conveniently located day head.

Forward of the galley is the main dining area, with a large, elegantly
upholstered settee positioned behind and slightly wrapping a hinged,
cherry table. Large windows surround the dining area, and there are
port and starboard deck doors in the area as well.

The three staterooms are at the base of a curved stairway to starboard
of the dining area. A recessed handrail, with lights, is cut into the
stairway. The forward, guest stateroom, is absolutely regal. A queen
size bed is on centerline, with ample walking space on either side.
Twin "wardrobes" consist of lighted, heated, and vented hanging
lockers mounted above banks of drawers. There are "his and hers"
hinged and dressing lockers. Headroom in the forward stateroom is about
eight feet, with a mirror on the ceiling surrounded by spotlights. The
forward stateroom has the option of private access to the guest head
immediately aft and to starboard.

The second stateroom features upper and lower bunks along the port
gunwale. It is the smallest of the three staterooms, but the finish and
attention to detail is as excellent here as in the rest of the boat.
Sliding doors create a large opening between the second stateroom and
the common area at the foot of the stairs, creating the illusion of a
larger compartment.

The master stateroom is arranged with a king size bunk on centerline. A
settee is located to port, and huge hanging lockers against the forward
and aft bulkheads to starboard. Exquisitely finished drawers and
lockers flank the stateroom, and an entertainment system is built in
for the enjoyment of the owners. The mirror on the ceiling has a
compass rose applique crafted from teak. The elegant, private, master
head features two hand basins in a marble countertop, a huge shower,
and a VacuFlush marine toilet.

Returning back to the main deck and ascending the curved stairway to
the pilothouse and Skylounge, we encountered another recessed hand
railing. This practical idea provides a firm grip without intruding
into the stairway, and looks very chic, too. Stidd (tm) chairs for the
helmsman and port watch are mounted behind a large, very blank
navigation console. (Adventure Yachts includes a $40,000 electronics
allowance with the Legend 680 to allow the new owner to choose the
navigation system of his or her choice).

The "Skylounge" section of the upper cabin consists of an L-shaped
settee to port, as well as a wet bar and liquor locker to starboard.

Upper deck outdoor entertaining is an option on the large, open boat
deck immediately aft of the pilothouse/skylounge. When the shoreboat
has been launched with the 2000-lb "Steelhead" hydraulic crane
davit there is an abundance of space available, and a built in Gaggenau
barbecue grill will prepare steak, ribs, chicken, or fresh seafood only
a few steps away from service.

In addition to the control stations in the pilothouse and on the
cockpit, there are two auxiliary control stations to port and starboard
of the Portuguese bridge.

With a distinctive profile, innovative design, and plush, no-compromise
fittings the Legend 680 Pilothouse will turn heads wherever she
cruises. Yachtsmen considering a vessel of this size and quality would
be well advised to inspect Hull #680-10 at Adventure Yachts. Her market
value is $2,252,000. For additional information, please contact
Adventure Yachts at 206-283-3010 or visit the website
www.adventureyachts.com

Karen,
Chuck used the word "we", implying he had reviewed the vessel
personally. Are you calling him a liar? You appear to be doing a lot of
that lately. It also appears that you have an ax to grind.
Paul


K. Smith wrote:

Complete with a link to the sales office??? Typical spam of the
usual crap from the usual NG spammer. Hey no matter it's any good or
not or even true or not Gould is proud he can make money by deceiving
people, a sad rat of the type we all see hanging around the maybes & the
wannabes hoping to pick up their throw away cash. Pathetic?? well yes of
course he is; but I do wish he wouldn't spam the NG.

Of course he knows nothing of the boat really & indeed has no
understanding anyway so he just spams us with a paste of the sales
brochure, all bad enough but the link?? that takes the cake.



K

Speaking of entertainment here's a Krause lie now:-)

This lying idiot has manufactured a story about his father being the
biggest OMC dealer on the US NE coast, needless to say Krause then says
that's where he learned all he obviously doesn't know about boats:-)

Here's just one of the lies from the "father" series, try to
remember he's talking $3000000 in the 70s!! Honestly it's embarrassing
that a grown man would lie like this I guess that's the standard of
union thugs ???


I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything
was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started.
For near full-retail, too.

Jim,
Didn't know that. Where does the term Eskimos come from? I take it they
wish to be called "Inuit"?
Paul


Jim Carter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Well, she was planning to sell Sterno to Eskimos, but she drank it,

instead.
......................snip..............

Good Morning Harry.

I am sure you did not know that using the word "Eskimo" to describe the
"Inuit" people of the far north, is like calling a black man the " N " word.

James D. Carter

Harry,
Now here's a good post, you do on occasion come up with some
interesting information. Thanks
Paul


Harry Krause wrote:

No, I didn't know that. Noted. Thanks. I would spell it Innuit, though.
Are you sure about this? Because "Eskimo" is a native American word of
Algonquian origins:


("EskIm@U) [a. Da. Eskimo (Sw. Eskimå), ad. F. Esquimaux pl., from some
Algonquian Indian language; cf. Proto-Algonquian *a_k- raw, *-imo eat,
Abnaki askimo (pl. askimoak), Eskimo, eaters of raw flesh.]

and there are references to a language of the same name:

Any of the several languages of this people, of which one set of
dialects or languages, also called Inupik, is spread from Norton Sound,
Alaska, to Greenland, and another set, also called Yupik, is in
southwest Alaska and the eastern tip of Siberia. These languages,
together with those of the Aleut, form the Eskimo-Aleut, -Aleutian family.

But I don't want to offend a fine people in any way. It's not as if they
are neoconvicts.


Rephrase:

Well, she was planning to sell Sterno to the Inuit, but she drank it,
instead.

N S Sherlock,
Well put! I enjoy Chuck's boat reviews. Yes they lack a lot of critical
content. Chuck's articles as well as most magazine writers go easy on
the manufacturers, the magazines need the advertisement revenue. You
can't blame the writers because other wise they wouldn't get published.
Most of these reviews are just an introduction to the boat, a tour so to
speak. I myself enjoy and understand this. I take it for what it's
worth. It's one reason why I subscribe to PowerBoat Reports. It's a bit
more expensive that the other boating magazines I subscribe to but they
don't hold back any punches. But then again, they're is just another
opinion.
Paul


N S Sherlock wrote:
Karen,

I agree that the article was a fluff PR piece for the boat, that is actually
an ad for the boat, but I do not agree that this article should not be
posted in rec.boats or would ever be considered SPAM. The OT political
arguments have taken over rec.boats and any kind of actual boating post is
desperately needed. If you check out the subscription rate for boating
magazines you will see that many many recreational boaters find these
articles enjoyable. I do not believe this articles or Chuck's other Boat
"reviews" would ever be considered SPAM. SPAM is " Unsolicited "junk"
e-mail sent to large numbers of people to promote products or services.
Also refers to inappropriate promotional or commercial postings to
discussion groups or bulletin boards."

I sincerely doubt anyone who is in the market for $2.2 million yacht is
looking in rec.boats for a boat to buy, and I sincerely doubt if the builder
requested Chuck post this article in rec.boats. Chuck is being paid to
write the article for publication in a magazine, not for making the post in
rec.boats. Since neither Chuck or the builder are profiting from the post
it would not be considered SPAM.

I believe Chuck posted this article, in the exact same vein he made the post
concerning gas pollution. It was a very legitimate attempt to get the NG
back on topic.

JimH,
Well we can agree to disagree. :-)
Paul


JimH wrote:
Nice troll. It may be about boating but it is spam none the less.


wrote in message
ups.com...

Dedicated to my special friend....

snip

Yachtsmen considering a vessel of this size and quality would
be well advised to inspect Hull #680-10 at Adventure Yachts. Her market
value is $2,252,000. For additional information, please contact
Adventure Yachts at 206-283-3010 or visit the website
www.adventureyachts.com

Paul
Eskimo means "eaters of raw meat" and was the name Canadian Indians used
when talking about the Inuits.

The Inuits have always referred to themselves as Inuit (the Yupik variant is
Yuit), which means the "real people."

It may not be as negative as the N word, but it is definitely antiquated,
sort of like calling Native American's "Indians".




"Paul Schilter" ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote in message
...
Jim,
Didn't know that. Where does the term Eskimos come from? I take it they
wish to be called "Inuit"?
Paul


Jim Carter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Well, she was planning to sell Sterno to Eskimos, but she drank it,

instead.
......................snip..............

Good Morning Harry.

I am sure you did not know that using the word "Eskimo" to describe the
"Inuit" people of the far north, is like calling a black man the " N "
word.

James D. Carter

Karen,
I don't consider it an ad. It's a link to the boat manufacturer's site
so if you're interested you can get further information. Like N S
Sherlock said, the manufacturer probably didn't ask Chuck to post that
and Chuck isn't making an money by posting it here, so it isn't spam.
You know you're a much better read when you're just posting about
boats. Please don't take this as an attack, it isn't meant to be.
Peace
Paul


K. Smith wrote:

snipped

So you agree it's an ad then??? but say because it's an ad for a
boat that's OK??? You can have your opinion on it & certainly some
people accept & even like ads in the NG (dealers or those who work for
dealers mostly:-)), none of which changes the fact that ads trying to
sell things in this NG are called spam & the world is trying to stop
spam in general & in no spam NGs particularly.

snipped

John H,
Well put! Can't we just all get along?
Paul


John H wrote:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:54:45 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote:


The OT political

arguments have taken over rec.boats and any kind of actual boating post is
desperately needed. If you check out the subscription rate for boating
magazines you will see that many many recreational boaters find these
articles enjoyable. I do not believe this articles or Chuck's other Boat
"reviews" would ever be considered SPAM. SPAM is " Unsolicited "junk"
e-mail sent to large numbers of people to promote products or services.
Also refers to inappropriate promotional or commercial postings to
discussion groups or bulletin boards."

Again your interpretation(s) are yours & that's fine, I hold a
different view. As for you comments about OT posts again this particular
poster is one of the major OT posters in this NG, always starting or
promoting political posts, so to now give him credit because he posts an
ad promoting a boat??? Again that's your view.



I get a whole hell of a lot of spam, and Gould's article wouldn't fall into that
category, IMO.

I would call Gould's article an 'infomercial'. It provides information (granted
it's only one-sided) about a product. In this particular case, a trip to the web
site would have provided about as much information, along with a virtual tour of
the boat.

My big question, after reading his post, was, "Does it run?" Gould didn't
address any of the running characteristics of the boat, so I assume it was just
a walk-through at the dealership.

However, it *was* boating related, was much more than a 'For Sale' ad, and did
provide some information. [Who would have known that a Gaggenau
barbecue grill will prepare steak, ribs, chicken, or fresh seafood?]

You questioned the truthfulness of the article and his deceit. Did you find
anything in the article that was false?

Before you get ****ed (which I hope you don't find necessary) please realize
that I appreciate your posts showing the falsehoods associated with some of the
things said about boat/engine articles. You often provide factual information
enjoyable to read. Please continue doing so.

OTOH, attacks on Gould when he posts one of these 'informercials' does no one
any good.

Your personal attacks of Harry, however deserved, detract from your on-topic
posts and do nothing but start flame wars, as opposed to a discussion of the
topic at hand. My advice -- Use a separate thread for your off-topic posts.

Thanks.