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Dedicated to my special friend....
Legend 680 Pilothouse by President There is an exciting new LRC on the docks of Adventure Yachts in Seattle. There are four versions of the Legend Pilothouse series available, in 64, 66, 68, and 70-foot lengths. Currently in inventory is the Legend 680 Pilothouse, with a unique "Skylounge" bridge. The practical configuration moves the helm and primary controls to the upper deck, in an enclosed compartment that is both a pilothouse as well as one of the social centers. The sweeping view from the upper deck will be appreciated guests enjoying drinks and snacks, as well as by the helmsperson. The main and upper decks both feature Portuguese bridges, and the lower side decks are sheltered by the overhang of the upper deck. The Legend 680 strikes an impressive exterior profile, and a closer inspection reveals that this elegant yacht has been carefully crafted and selectively outfitted to meet the highest standards and expectations. Specifications: LOA: (with bow pulpit and swim platform), 69'9" LOD: 62' 6" Beam: 19' Tankage: 1400 US Gal fuel, 300 US Gal water, 140 holding Mains: (2) Caterpillar 3406E 800HP diesel AC Generator: Northern Lights 16kW Hull: Hand laid FRP with "Reichold" Hydrex vinylester resin, and epoxy barrier coat. Topsides: ATC (tm) Corecell PVC foam core construction, vacuum bag infusion molded. Walkthrough: We began our tour of the Legend 680 Pilothouse with Skylounge by stepping across the broad swim step with a set of stainless "U" rails. The transom door is to starboard, and the cockpit is almost entirely protected from sun and rain by the extended boat deck above. The cockpit features heavy-duty stainless hawseholes, samson posts, and port and starboard winches to assist when warping up to a dock. One of four control stations, with bow thruster, stern thruster, and Kobelt electronic engine controls is situated in the cockpit. A wide lounge seat spans the transom, facing a gorgeous solid cherry table. A sink and refrigerator freezer with icemaker will facilitate entertaining in the cockpit. We opened the main access hatch to the engine room and descended a few molded FRP steps to inspect the machinery space. There is just under standing headroom for a six-footer in this brightly-lit area, with more than ample room to service the mains, filters, and other systems. (A Reverso oil change system will help simplify routine maintenance). We noted the WESMAR stabilizers, installed just forward of the fuel tanks, as well as a Kabola diesel furnace hot water heat system. The first of many pleasant surprises we discovered on the 680 Pilothouse was a complete workshop area aft of the main engine room on the port side. The crew's stateroom is located at the aft end of the workshop, along with an enclosed head. Crew's quarters feature stacked single bunks, and are finished in the same high quality cherry solids and veneers we would discover in the main compartments. A watertight transom door allows access to and from the swim step from the workshop and crew's quarters area. In the main compartments, the experience of outstanding quality begins when sliding open the thick, heavy, stainless framed glass door between the salon and the cockpit. The door is obviously very substantially built, but slides with only the slightest pressure across what has to be a highly refined bearing system. First impressions are lasting impressions, and the understated elegance of the salon, trimmed in cherry, offers a striking introduction to the interior of the 680 Pilothouse. A plasma video screen, a decorative fireplace, and top quality designer furnishings are showcased in the warm glow of a comfortable yet classy social area. Just forward of the salon and to port is the galley. The 680 in stock at Adventure features granite countertops throughout the vessel, and the galley is equipped with deluxe appliances. A Gaggenau four-burner electric cook top is mounted above a Miele convection oven. Other appliances include a Broan trash compactor, a Frigidaire dishwasher, and a side-by side top of the line GE "Profile" refrigerator/freezer. Curved steps to the Skylounge and pilothouse are opposite the galley, as well as a conveniently located day head. Forward of the galley is the main dining area, with a large, elegantly upholstered settee positioned behind and slightly wrapping a hinged, cherry table. Large windows surround the dining area, and there are port and starboard deck doors in the area as well. The three staterooms are at the base of a curved stairway to starboard of the dining area. A recessed handrail, with lights, is cut into the stairway. The forward, guest stateroom, is absolutely regal. A queen size bed is on centerline, with ample walking space on either side. Twin "wardrobes" consist of lighted, heated, and vented hanging lockers mounted above banks of drawers. There are "his and hers" hinged and dressing lockers. Headroom in the forward stateroom is about eight feet, with a mirror on the ceiling surrounded by spotlights. The forward stateroom has the option of private access to the guest head immediately aft and to starboard. The second stateroom features upper and lower bunks along the port gunwale. It is the smallest of the three staterooms, but the finish and attention to detail is as excellent here as in the rest of the boat. Sliding doors create a large opening between the second stateroom and the common area at the foot of the stairs, creating the illusion of a larger compartment. The master stateroom is arranged with a king size bunk on centerline. A settee is located to port, and huge hanging lockers against the forward and aft bulkheads to starboard. Exquisitely finished drawers and lockers flank the stateroom, and an entertainment system is built in for the enjoyment of the owners. The mirror on the ceiling has a compass rose applique crafted from teak. The elegant, private, master head features two hand basins in a marble countertop, a huge shower, and a VacuFlush marine toilet. Returning back to the main deck and ascending the curved stairway to the pilothouse and Skylounge, we encountered another recessed hand railing. This practical idea provides a firm grip without intruding into the stairway, and looks very chic, too. Stidd (tm) chairs for the helmsman and port watch are mounted behind a large, very blank navigation console. (Adventure Yachts includes a $40,000 electronics allowance with the Legend 680 to allow the new owner to choose the navigation system of his or her choice). The "Skylounge" section of the upper cabin consists of an L-shaped settee to port, as well as a wet bar and liquor locker to starboard. Upper deck outdoor entertaining is an option on the large, open boat deck immediately aft of the pilothouse/skylounge. When the shoreboat has been launched with the 2000-lb "Steelhead" hydraulic crane davit there is an abundance of space available, and a built in Gaggenau barbecue grill will prepare steak, ribs, chicken, or fresh seafood only a few steps away from service. In addition to the control stations in the pilothouse and on the cockpit, there are two auxiliary control stations to port and starboard of the Portuguese bridge. With a distinctive profile, innovative design, and plush, no-compromise fittings the Legend 680 Pilothouse will turn heads wherever she cruises. Yachtsmen considering a vessel of this size and quality would be well advised to inspect Hull #680-10 at Adventure Yachts. Her market value is $2,252,000. For additional information, please contact Adventure Yachts at 206-283-3010 or visit the website www.adventureyachts.com |
On 1 Apr 2005 23:01:50 -0800, wrote:
Dedicated to my special friend.... Thanks! |
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 23:18:40 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote:
Complete with a link to the sales office??? Typical spam of the usual crap from the usual NG spammer. Hey no matter it's any good or not or even true or not Gould is proud he can make money by deceiving people, a sad rat of the type we all see hanging around the maybes & the wannabes hoping to pick up their throw away cash. Pathetic?? well yes of course he is; but I do wish he wouldn't spam the NG. Of course he knows nothing of the boat really & indeed has no understanding anyway so he just spams us with a paste of the sales brochure, all bad enough but the link?? that takes the cake. Speaking of entertainment here's a Krause lie now:-) This lying idiot has manufactured a story about his father being the biggest OMC dealer on the US NE coast, needless to say Krause then says that's where he learned all he obviously doesn't know about boats:-) Here's just one of the lies from the "father" series, try to remember he's talking $3000000 in the 70s!! Honestly it's embarrassing that a grown man would lie like this I guess that's the standard of union thugs ??? I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing the new boat industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near full-retail, too. You must have some vicious hang overs. bb |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Well, she was planning to sell Sterno to Eskimos, but she drank it, instead. .......................snip.............. Good Morning Harry. I am sure you did not know that using the word "Eskimo" to describe the "Inuit" people of the far north, is like calling a black man the " N " word. James D. Carter |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... No, I didn't know that. Noted. Thanks. I would spell it Innuit, though. Are you sure about this? Because "Eskimo" is a native American word of Algonquian origins: Yes Harry, I am sure of it. It is a derogatory word that was given to the Inuit by the Algonquin people. To the people of the far north "Eskimo" is a title that they REALLY don't like at all. In their language Inuit means "the people" and that is what they want to be called. James D. Carter |
Karen,
I agree that the article was a fluff PR piece for the boat, that is actually an ad for the boat, but I do not agree that this article should not be posted in rec.boats or would ever be considered SPAM. The OT political arguments have taken over rec.boats and any kind of actual boating post is desperately needed. If you check out the subscription rate for boating magazines you will see that many many recreational boaters find these articles enjoyable. I do not believe this articles or Chuck's other Boat "reviews" would ever be considered SPAM. SPAM is " Unsolicited "junk" e-mail sent to large numbers of people to promote products or services. Also refers to inappropriate promotional or commercial postings to discussion groups or bulletin boards." I sincerely doubt anyone who is in the market for $2.2 million yacht is looking in rec.boats for a boat to buy, and I sincerely doubt if the builder requested Chuck post this article in rec.boats. Chuck is being paid to write the article for publication in a magazine, not for making the post in rec.boats. Since neither Chuck or the builder are profiting from the post it would not be considered SPAM. I believe Chuck posted this article, in the exact same vein he made the post concerning gas pollution. It was a very legitimate attempt to get the NG back on topic. "K. Smith" wrote in message ... wrote: Dedicated to my special friend.... Legend 680 Pilothouse by President There is an exciting new LRC on the docks of Adventure Yachts in Seattle. There are four versions of the Legend Pilothouse series available, in 64, 66, 68, and 70-foot lengths. Currently in inventory is the Legend 680 Pilothouse, with a unique "Skylounge" bridge. The practical configuration moves the helm and primary controls to the upper deck, in an enclosed compartment that is both a pilothouse as well as one of the social centers. The sweeping view from the upper deck will be appreciated guests enjoying drinks and snacks, as well as by the helmsperson. The main and upper decks both feature Portuguese bridges, and the lower side decks are sheltered by the overhang of the upper deck. The Legend 680 strikes an impressive exterior profile, and a closer inspection reveals that this elegant yacht has been carefully crafted and selectively outfitted to meet the highest standards and expectations. Specifications: LOA: (with bow pulpit and swim platform), 69'9" LOD: 62' 6" Beam: 19' Tankage: 1400 US Gal fuel, 300 US Gal water, 140 holding Mains: (2) Caterpillar 3406E 800HP diesel AC Generator: Northern Lights 16kW Hull: Hand laid FRP with "Reichold" Hydrex vinylester resin, and epoxy barrier coat. Topsides: ATC (tm) Corecell PVC foam core construction, vacuum bag infusion molded. Walkthrough: We began our tour of the Legend 680 Pilothouse with Skylounge by stepping across the broad swim step with a set of stainless "U" rails. The transom door is to starboard, and the cockpit is almost entirely protected from sun and rain by the extended boat deck above. The cockpit features heavy-duty stainless hawseholes, samson posts, and port and starboard winches to assist when warping up to a dock. One of four control stations, with bow thruster, stern thruster, and Kobelt electronic engine controls is situated in the cockpit. A wide lounge seat spans the transom, facing a gorgeous solid cherry table. A sink and refrigerator freezer with icemaker will facilitate entertaining in the cockpit. We opened the main access hatch to the engine room and descended a few molded FRP steps to inspect the machinery space. There is just under standing headroom for a six-footer in this brightly-lit area, with more than ample room to service the mains, filters, and other systems. (A Reverso oil change system will help simplify routine maintenance). We noted the WESMAR stabilizers, installed just forward of the fuel tanks, as well as a Kabola diesel furnace hot water heat system. The first of many pleasant surprises we discovered on the 680 Pilothouse was a complete workshop area aft of the main engine room on the port side. The crew's stateroom is located at the aft end of the workshop, along with an enclosed head. Crew's quarters feature stacked single bunks, and are finished in the same high quality cherry solids and veneers we would discover in the main compartments. A watertight transom door allows access to and from the swim step from the workshop and crew's quarters area. In the main compartments, the experience of outstanding quality begins when sliding open the thick, heavy, stainless framed glass door between the salon and the cockpit. The door is obviously very substantially built, but slides with only the slightest pressure across what has to be a highly refined bearing system. First impressions are lasting impressions, and the understated elegance of the salon, trimmed in cherry, offers a striking introduction to the interior of the 680 Pilothouse. A plasma video screen, a decorative fireplace, and top quality designer furnishings are showcased in the warm glow of a comfortable yet classy social area. Just forward of the salon and to port is the galley. The 680 in stock at Adventure features granite countertops throughout the vessel, and the galley is equipped with deluxe appliances. A Gaggenau four-burner electric cook top is mounted above a Miele convection oven. Other appliances include a Broan trash compactor, a Frigidaire dishwasher, and a side-by side top of the line GE "Profile" refrigerator/freezer. Curved steps to the Skylounge and pilothouse are opposite the galley, as well as a conveniently located day head. Forward of the galley is the main dining area, with a large, elegantly upholstered settee positioned behind and slightly wrapping a hinged, cherry table. Large windows surround the dining area, and there are port and starboard deck doors in the area as well. The three staterooms are at the base of a curved stairway to starboard of the dining area. A recessed handrail, with lights, is cut into the stairway. The forward, guest stateroom, is absolutely regal. A queen size bed is on centerline, with ample walking space on either side. Twin "wardrobes" consist of lighted, heated, and vented hanging lockers mounted above banks of drawers. There are "his and hers" hinged and dressing lockers. Headroom in the forward stateroom is about eight feet, with a mirror on the ceiling surrounded by spotlights. The forward stateroom has the option of private access to the guest head immediately aft and to starboard. The second stateroom features upper and lower bunks along the port gunwale. It is the smallest of the three staterooms, but the finish and attention to detail is as excellent here as in the rest of the boat. Sliding doors create a large opening between the second stateroom and the common area at the foot of the stairs, creating the illusion of a larger compartment. The master stateroom is arranged with a king size bunk on centerline. A settee is located to port, and huge hanging lockers against the forward and aft bulkheads to starboard. Exquisitely finished drawers and lockers flank the stateroom, and an entertainment system is built in for the enjoyment of the owners. The mirror on the ceiling has a compass rose applique crafted from teak. The elegant, private, master head features two hand basins in a marble countertop, a huge shower, and a VacuFlush marine toilet. Returning back to the main deck and ascending the curved stairway to the pilothouse and Skylounge, we encountered another recessed hand railing. This practical idea provides a firm grip without intruding into the stairway, and looks very chic, too. Stidd (tm) chairs for the helmsman and port watch are mounted behind a large, very blank navigation console. (Adventure Yachts includes a $40,000 electronics allowance with the Legend 680 to allow the new owner to choose the navigation system of his or her choice). The "Skylounge" section of the upper cabin consists of an L-shaped settee to port, as well as a wet bar and liquor locker to starboard. Upper deck outdoor entertaining is an option on the large, open boat deck immediately aft of the pilothouse/skylounge. When the shoreboat has been launched with the 2000-lb "Steelhead" hydraulic crane davit there is an abundance of space available, and a built in Gaggenau barbecue grill will prepare steak, ribs, chicken, or fresh seafood only a few steps away from service. In addition to the control stations in the pilothouse and on the cockpit, there are two auxiliary control stations to port and starboard of the Portuguese bridge. With a distinctive profile, innovative design, and plush, no-compromise fittings the Legend 680 Pilothouse will turn heads wherever she cruises. Yachtsmen considering a vessel of this size and quality would be well advised to inspect Hull #680-10 at Adventure Yachts. Her market value is $2,252,000. For additional information, please contact Adventure Yachts at 206-283-3010 or visit the website www.adventureyachts.com Complete with a link to the sales office??? Typical spam of the usual crap from the usual NG spammer. Hey no matter it's any good or not or even true or not Gould is proud he can make money by deceiving people, a sad rat of the type we all see hanging around the maybes & the wannabes hoping to pick up their throw away cash. Pathetic?? well yes of course he is; but I do wish he wouldn't spam the NG. Of course he knows nothing of the boat really & indeed has no understanding anyway so he just spams us with a paste of the sales brochure, all bad enough but the link?? that takes the cake. K Speaking of entertainment here's a Krause lie now:-) This lying idiot has manufactured a story about his father being the biggest OMC dealer on the US NE coast, needless to say Krause then says that's where he learned all he obviously doesn't know about boats:-) Here's just one of the lies from the "father" series, try to remember he's talking $3000000 in the 70s!! Honestly it's embarrassing that a grown man would lie like this I guess that's the standard of union thugs ??? I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing the new boat industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near full-retail, too. |
Nice troll. It may be about boating but it is spam none the less.
wrote in message ups.com... Dedicated to my special friend.... snip Yachtsmen considering a vessel of this size and quality would be well advised to inspect Hull #680-10 at Adventure Yachts. Her market value is $2,252,000. For additional information, please contact Adventure Yachts at 206-283-3010 or visit the website www.adventureyachts.com |
N S Sherlock wrote:
Karen, I agree that the article was a fluff PR piece for the boat, that is actually an ad for the boat, but I do not agree that this article should not be posted in rec.boats or would ever be considered SPAM. So you agree it's an ad then??? but say because it's an ad for a boat that's OK??? You can have your opinion on it & certainly some people accept & even like ads in the NG (dealers or those who work for dealers mostly:-)), none of which changes the fact that ads trying to sell things in this NG are called spam & the world is trying to stop spam in general & in no spam NGs particularly. As for this particular poster he regularly posts things he claims are his own work when in fact he's just dressing up a publicity ad to look like it's a true review & of course he has many many priors for posting blatantly false material in his efforts to sell things in this NG. Again for clarity I respect your view that you don't think it's spam, I hold a different view which I hope you will also respect. The OT political arguments have taken over rec.boats and any kind of actual boating post is desperately needed. If you check out the subscription rate for boating magazines you will see that many many recreational boaters find these articles enjoyable. I do not believe this articles or Chuck's other Boat "reviews" would ever be considered SPAM. SPAM is " Unsolicited "junk" e-mail sent to large numbers of people to promote products or services. Also refers to inappropriate promotional or commercial postings to discussion groups or bulletin boards." Again your interpretation(s) are yours & that's fine, I hold a different view. As for you comments about OT posts again this particular poster is one of the major OT posters in this NG, always starting or promoting political posts, so to now give him credit because he posts an ad promoting a boat??? Again that's your view. I sincerely doubt anyone who is in the market for $2.2 million yacht is looking in rec.boats for a boat to buy, and I sincerely doubt if the builder requested Chuck post this article in rec.boats. Chuck is being paid to write the article for publication in a magazine, not for making the post in rec.boats. Since neither Chuck or the builder are profiting from the post it would not be considered SPAM. Well Krause might claim to own one any minute now:-) but so what??? this is part of Gould's claims to the sellers that they should take him seriously as a seller of other peoples goods, always for his cut of course:-). It's part of the BS he spruiks them when he presents himself as a widely read promoter that might be able to help them market their product, no matter he is known here as an inexperienced uneducated simpleton who just repeats any lie the seller puts out. Damn one even had a pretty good go at getting him killed!!! he wanted to rabbit on about the incident in the NG of course but wouldn't name them; why??? well that wouldn't be good for sales:-) who cares if that deception gets someone else in trouble?? Na this is just another Krause tug forelock grub, who is proud & even boasts he has made him money ripping other people off & has never contributed a thing to the world, he's an "ex" used car salesman & an "ex" boat broker now having a go at flogging stuff in our NG. See a pattern there??? never actually investing in anything but bludges off the efforts/businesses of others or takes advantage of those who are trying to acquire something. I want the oxygen he's stolen back:-) I believe Chuck posted this article, in the exact same vein he made the post concerning gas pollution. It was a very legitimate attempt to get the NG back on topic. He posts those, well pastes actually:-) those so he can deceive that he is a "publisher" in the industry; when in fact a link would have been fine indeed it's the greenies just pretending they doing something, never forgetting they use power, drive cars, fly around in planes, use plastics, computers, fart etc like the rest of the world they just want "other" people to stop, never themselves. So thanks for the response & well done for putting a view in a civil manner; here's your Krause lie reward:-) K The Krause lie for today is the one where he tries to say that he can claim he "owns" a boat if he just goes out on a boat. Just as he used to email pics around the NG contributors but always on a "charter" boat!!! This lying idiot then claims that's because he learns more about fishing in his bay:-) One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in her car every day, but she doesn't own it. I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I questioned your wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it. No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console with, if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got out to the Gulf Stream. Bride and I caught and released: 1 white marlin 12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty fish. Assorted red snappers 1 amberjack 2 jack crevalle jacks 1 snook Nondescript sharks "K. Smith" wrote in message ... wrote: Dedicated to my special friend.... Legend 680 Pilothouse by President There is an exciting new LRC on the docks of Adventure Yachts in Seattle. There are four versions of the Legend Pilothouse series available, in 64, 66, 68, and 70-foot lengths. Currently in inventory is the Legend 680 Pilothouse, with a unique "Skylounge" bridge. The practical configuration moves the helm and primary controls to the upper deck, in an enclosed compartment that is both a pilothouse as well as one of the social centers. The sweeping view from the upper deck will be appreciated guests enjoying drinks and snacks, as well as by the helmsperson. The main and upper decks both feature Portuguese bridges, and the lower side decks are sheltered by the overhang of the upper deck. The Legend 680 strikes an impressive exterior profile, and a closer inspection reveals that this elegant yacht has been carefully crafted and selectively outfitted to meet the highest standards and expectations. Specifications: LOA: (with bow pulpit and swim platform), 69'9" LOD: 62' 6" Beam: 19' Tankage: 1400 US Gal fuel, 300 US Gal water, 140 holding Mains: (2) Caterpillar 3406E 800HP diesel AC Generator: Northern Lights 16kW Hull: Hand laid FRP with "Reichold" Hydrex vinylester resin, and epoxy barrier coat. Topsides: ATC (tm) Corecell PVC foam core construction, vacuum bag infusion molded. Walkthrough: We began our tour of the Legend 680 Pilothouse with Skylounge by stepping across the broad swim step with a set of stainless "U" rails. The transom door is to starboard, and the cockpit is almost entirely protected from sun and rain by the extended boat deck above. The cockpit features heavy-duty stainless hawseholes, samson posts, and port and starboard winches to assist when warping up to a dock. One of four control stations, with bow thruster, stern thruster, and Kobelt electronic engine controls is situated in the cockpit. A wide lounge seat spans the transom, facing a gorgeous solid cherry table. A sink and refrigerator freezer with icemaker will facilitate entertaining in the cockpit. We opened the main access hatch to the engine room and descended a few molded FRP steps to inspect the machinery space. There is just under standing headroom for a six-footer in this brightly-lit area, with more than ample room to service the mains, filters, and other systems. (A Reverso oil change system will help simplify routine maintenance). We noted the WESMAR stabilizers, installed just forward of the fuel tanks, as well as a Kabola diesel furnace hot water heat system. The first of many pleasant surprises we discovered on the 680 Pilothouse was a complete workshop area aft of the main engine room on the port side. The crew's stateroom is located at the aft end of the workshop, along with an enclosed head. Crew's quarters feature stacked single bunks, and are finished in the same high quality cherry solids and veneers we would discover in the main compartments. A watertight transom door allows access to and from the swim step from the workshop and crew's quarters area. In the main compartments, the experience of outstanding quality begins when sliding open the thick, heavy, stainless framed glass door between the salon and the cockpit. The door is obviously very substantially built, but slides with only the slightest pressure across what has to be a highly refined bearing system. First impressions are lasting impressions, and the understated elegance of the salon, trimmed in cherry, offers a striking introduction to the interior of the 680 Pilothouse. A plasma video screen, a decorative fireplace, and top quality designer furnishings are showcased in the warm glow of a comfortable yet classy social area. Just forward of the salon and to port is the galley. The 680 in stock at Adventure features granite countertops throughout the vessel, and the galley is equipped with deluxe appliances. A Gaggenau four-burner electric cook top is mounted above a Miele convection oven. Other appliances include a Broan trash compactor, a Frigidaire dishwasher, and a side-by side top of the line GE "Profile" refrigerator/freezer. Curved steps to the Skylounge and pilothouse are opposite the galley, as well as a conveniently located day head. Forward of the galley is the main dining area, with a large, elegantly upholstered settee positioned behind and slightly wrapping a hinged, cherry table. Large windows surround the dining area, and there are port and starboard deck doors in the area as well. The three staterooms are at the base of a curved stairway to starboard of the dining area. A recessed handrail, with lights, is cut into the stairway. The forward, guest stateroom, is absolutely regal. A queen size bed is on centerline, with ample walking space on either side. Twin "wardrobes" consist of lighted, heated, and vented hanging lockers mounted above banks of drawers. There are "his and hers" hinged and dressing lockers. Headroom in the forward stateroom is about eight feet, with a mirror on the ceiling surrounded by spotlights. The forward stateroom has the option of private access to the guest head immediately aft and to starboard. The second stateroom features upper and lower bunks along the port gunwale. It is the smallest of the three staterooms, but the finish and attention to detail is as excellent here as in the rest of the boat. Sliding doors create a large opening between the second stateroom and the common area at the foot of the stairs, creating the illusion of a larger compartment. The master stateroom is arranged with a king size bunk on centerline. A settee is located to port, and huge hanging lockers against the forward and aft bulkheads to starboard. Exquisitely finished drawers and lockers flank the stateroom, and an entertainment system is built in for the enjoyment of the owners. The mirror on the ceiling has a compass rose applique crafted from teak. The elegant, private, master head features two hand basins in a marble countertop, a huge shower, and a VacuFlush marine toilet. Returning back to the main deck and ascending the curved stairway to the pilothouse and Skylounge, we encountered another recessed hand railing. This practical idea provides a firm grip without intruding into the stairway, and looks very chic, too. Stidd (tm) chairs for the helmsman and port watch are mounted behind a large, very blank navigation console. (Adventure Yachts includes a $40,000 electronics allowance with the Legend 680 to allow the new owner to choose the navigation system of his or her choice). The "Skylounge" section of the upper cabin consists of an L-shaped settee to port, as well as a wet bar and liquor locker to starboard. Upper deck outdoor entertaining is an option on the large, open boat deck immediately aft of the pilothouse/skylounge. When the shoreboat has been launched with the 2000-lb "Steelhead" hydraulic crane davit there is an abundance of space available, and a built in Gaggenau barbecue grill will prepare steak, ribs, chicken, or fresh seafood only a few steps away from service. In addition to the control stations in the pilothouse and on the cockpit, there are two auxiliary control stations to port and starboard of the Portuguese bridge. With a distinctive profile, innovative design, and plush, no-compromise fittings the Legend 680 Pilothouse will turn heads wherever she cruises. Yachtsmen considering a vessel of this size and quality would be well advised to inspect Hull #680-10 at Adventure Yachts. Her market value is $2,252,000. For additional information, please contact Adventure Yachts at 206-283-3010 or visit the website www.adventureyachts.com Complete with a link to the sales office??? Typical spam of the usual crap from the usual NG spammer. Hey no matter it's any good or not or even true or not Gould is proud he can make money by deceiving people, a sad rat of the type we all see hanging around the maybes & the wannabes hoping to pick up their throw away cash. Pathetic?? well yes of course he is; but I do wish he wouldn't spam the NG. Of course he knows nothing of the boat really & indeed has no understanding anyway so he just spams us with a paste of the sales brochure, all bad enough but the link?? that takes the cake. K Speaking of entertainment here's a Krause lie now:-) This lying idiot has manufactured a story about his father being the biggest OMC dealer on the US NE coast, needless to say Krause then says that's where he learned all he obviously doesn't know about boats:-) Here's just one of the lies from the "father" series, try to remember he's talking $3000000 in the 70s!! Honestly it's embarrassing that a grown man would lie like this I guess that's the standard of union thugs ??? I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing the new boat industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near full-retail, too. |
Around 4/2/2005 1:54 PM, K. Smith wrote:
N S Sherlock wrote: Karen, I agree that the article was a fluff PR piece for the boat, that is actually an ad for the boat, but I do not agree that this article should not be posted in rec.boats or would ever be considered SPAM. So you agree it's an ad then??? I wouldn't consider it an advertisement. but say because it's an ad for a boat that's OK??? At least it's on-topic, well-written, intelligible, and free of any hatred or personal attacks. Many here would do well to take a page from that book. -- ~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat" "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows |
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:54:45 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote:
The OT political arguments have taken over rec.boats and any kind of actual boating post is desperately needed. If you check out the subscription rate for boating magazines you will see that many many recreational boaters find these articles enjoyable. I do not believe this articles or Chuck's other Boat "reviews" would ever be considered SPAM. SPAM is " Unsolicited "junk" e-mail sent to large numbers of people to promote products or services. Also refers to inappropriate promotional or commercial postings to discussion groups or bulletin boards." Again your interpretation(s) are yours & that's fine, I hold a different view. As for you comments about OT posts again this particular poster is one of the major OT posters in this NG, always starting or promoting political posts, so to now give him credit because he posts an ad promoting a boat??? Again that's your view. I get a whole hell of a lot of spam, and Gould's article wouldn't fall into that category, IMO. I would call Gould's article an 'infomercial'. It provides information (granted it's only one-sided) about a product. In this particular case, a trip to the web site would have provided about as much information, along with a virtual tour of the boat. My big question, after reading his post, was, "Does it run?" Gould didn't address any of the running characteristics of the boat, so I assume it was just a walk-through at the dealership. However, it *was* boating related, was much more than a 'For Sale' ad, and did provide some information. [Who would have known that a Gaggenau barbecue grill will prepare steak, ribs, chicken, or fresh seafood?] You questioned the truthfulness of the article and his deceit. Did you find anything in the article that was false? Before you get ****ed (which I hope you don't find necessary) please realize that I appreciate your posts showing the falsehoods associated with some of the things said about boat/engine articles. You often provide factual information enjoyable to read. Please continue doing so. OTOH, attacks on Gould when he posts one of these 'informercials' does no one any good. Your personal attacks of Harry, however deserved, detract from your on-topic posts and do nothing but start flame wars, as opposed to a discussion of the topic at hand. My advice -- Use a separate thread for your off-topic posts. Thanks. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
Chuck,
Nice review, thanks. Paul wrote: Dedicated to my special friend.... Legend 680 Pilothouse by President There is an exciting new LRC on the docks of Adventure Yachts in Seattle. There are four versions of the Legend Pilothouse series available, in 64, 66, 68, and 70-foot lengths. Currently in inventory is the Legend 680 Pilothouse, with a unique "Skylounge" bridge. The practical configuration moves the helm and primary controls to the upper deck, in an enclosed compartment that is both a pilothouse as well as one of the social centers. The sweeping view from the upper deck will be appreciated guests enjoying drinks and snacks, as well as by the helmsperson. The main and upper decks both feature Portuguese bridges, and the lower side decks are sheltered by the overhang of the upper deck. The Legend 680 strikes an impressive exterior profile, and a closer inspection reveals that this elegant yacht has been carefully crafted and selectively outfitted to meet the highest standards and expectations. Specifications: LOA: (with bow pulpit and swim platform), 69'9" LOD: 62' 6" Beam: 19' Tankage: 1400 US Gal fuel, 300 US Gal water, 140 holding Mains: (2) Caterpillar 3406E 800HP diesel AC Generator: Northern Lights 16kW Hull: Hand laid FRP with "Reichold" Hydrex vinylester resin, and epoxy barrier coat. Topsides: ATC (tm) Corecell PVC foam core construction, vacuum bag infusion molded. Walkthrough: We began our tour of the Legend 680 Pilothouse with Skylounge by stepping across the broad swim step with a set of stainless "U" rails. The transom door is to starboard, and the cockpit is almost entirely protected from sun and rain by the extended boat deck above. The cockpit features heavy-duty stainless hawseholes, samson posts, and port and starboard winches to assist when warping up to a dock. One of four control stations, with bow thruster, stern thruster, and Kobelt electronic engine controls is situated in the cockpit. A wide lounge seat spans the transom, facing a gorgeous solid cherry table. A sink and refrigerator freezer with icemaker will facilitate entertaining in the cockpit. We opened the main access hatch to the engine room and descended a few molded FRP steps to inspect the machinery space. There is just under standing headroom for a six-footer in this brightly-lit area, with more than ample room to service the mains, filters, and other systems. (A Reverso oil change system will help simplify routine maintenance). We noted the WESMAR stabilizers, installed just forward of the fuel tanks, as well as a Kabola diesel furnace hot water heat system. The first of many pleasant surprises we discovered on the 680 Pilothouse was a complete workshop area aft of the main engine room on the port side. The crew's stateroom is located at the aft end of the workshop, along with an enclosed head. Crew's quarters feature stacked single bunks, and are finished in the same high quality cherry solids and veneers we would discover in the main compartments. A watertight transom door allows access to and from the swim step from the workshop and crew's quarters area. In the main compartments, the experience of outstanding quality begins when sliding open the thick, heavy, stainless framed glass door between the salon and the cockpit. The door is obviously very substantially built, but slides with only the slightest pressure across what has to be a highly refined bearing system. First impressions are lasting impressions, and the understated elegance of the salon, trimmed in cherry, offers a striking introduction to the interior of the 680 Pilothouse. A plasma video screen, a decorative fireplace, and top quality designer furnishings are showcased in the warm glow of a comfortable yet classy social area. Just forward of the salon and to port is the galley. The 680 in stock at Adventure features granite countertops throughout the vessel, and the galley is equipped with deluxe appliances. A Gaggenau four-burner electric cook top is mounted above a Miele convection oven. Other appliances include a Broan trash compactor, a Frigidaire dishwasher, and a side-by side top of the line GE "Profile" refrigerator/freezer. Curved steps to the Skylounge and pilothouse are opposite the galley, as well as a conveniently located day head. Forward of the galley is the main dining area, with a large, elegantly upholstered settee positioned behind and slightly wrapping a hinged, cherry table. Large windows surround the dining area, and there are port and starboard deck doors in the area as well. The three staterooms are at the base of a curved stairway to starboard of the dining area. A recessed handrail, with lights, is cut into the stairway. The forward, guest stateroom, is absolutely regal. A queen size bed is on centerline, with ample walking space on either side. Twin "wardrobes" consist of lighted, heated, and vented hanging lockers mounted above banks of drawers. There are "his and hers" hinged and dressing lockers. Headroom in the forward stateroom is about eight feet, with a mirror on the ceiling surrounded by spotlights. The forward stateroom has the option of private access to the guest head immediately aft and to starboard. The second stateroom features upper and lower bunks along the port gunwale. It is the smallest of the three staterooms, but the finish and attention to detail is as excellent here as in the rest of the boat. Sliding doors create a large opening between the second stateroom and the common area at the foot of the stairs, creating the illusion of a larger compartment. The master stateroom is arranged with a king size bunk on centerline. A settee is located to port, and huge hanging lockers against the forward and aft bulkheads to starboard. Exquisitely finished drawers and lockers flank the stateroom, and an entertainment system is built in for the enjoyment of the owners. The mirror on the ceiling has a compass rose applique crafted from teak. The elegant, private, master head features two hand basins in a marble countertop, a huge shower, and a VacuFlush marine toilet. Returning back to the main deck and ascending the curved stairway to the pilothouse and Skylounge, we encountered another recessed hand railing. This practical idea provides a firm grip without intruding into the stairway, and looks very chic, too. Stidd (tm) chairs for the helmsman and port watch are mounted behind a large, very blank navigation console. (Adventure Yachts includes a $40,000 electronics allowance with the Legend 680 to allow the new owner to choose the navigation system of his or her choice). The "Skylounge" section of the upper cabin consists of an L-shaped settee to port, as well as a wet bar and liquor locker to starboard. Upper deck outdoor entertaining is an option on the large, open boat deck immediately aft of the pilothouse/skylounge. When the shoreboat has been launched with the 2000-lb "Steelhead" hydraulic crane davit there is an abundance of space available, and a built in Gaggenau barbecue grill will prepare steak, ribs, chicken, or fresh seafood only a few steps away from service. In addition to the control stations in the pilothouse and on the cockpit, there are two auxiliary control stations to port and starboard of the Portuguese bridge. With a distinctive profile, innovative design, and plush, no-compromise fittings the Legend 680 Pilothouse will turn heads wherever she cruises. Yachtsmen considering a vessel of this size and quality would be well advised to inspect Hull #680-10 at Adventure Yachts. Her market value is $2,252,000. For additional information, please contact Adventure Yachts at 206-283-3010 or visit the website www.adventureyachts.com |
Karen,
Chuck used the word "we", implying he had reviewed the vessel personally. Are you calling him a liar? You appear to be doing a lot of that lately. It also appears that you have an ax to grind. Paul K. Smith wrote: Complete with a link to the sales office??? Typical spam of the usual crap from the usual NG spammer. Hey no matter it's any good or not or even true or not Gould is proud he can make money by deceiving people, a sad rat of the type we all see hanging around the maybes & the wannabes hoping to pick up their throw away cash. Pathetic?? well yes of course he is; but I do wish he wouldn't spam the NG. Of course he knows nothing of the boat really & indeed has no understanding anyway so he just spams us with a paste of the sales brochure, all bad enough but the link?? that takes the cake. K Speaking of entertainment here's a Krause lie now:-) This lying idiot has manufactured a story about his father being the biggest OMC dealer on the US NE coast, needless to say Krause then says that's where he learned all he obviously doesn't know about boats:-) Here's just one of the lies from the "father" series, try to remember he's talking $3000000 in the 70s!! Honestly it's embarrassing that a grown man would lie like this I guess that's the standard of union thugs ??? I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing the new boat industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near full-retail, too. |
Jim,
Didn't know that. Where does the term Eskimos come from? I take it they wish to be called "Inuit"? Paul Jim Carter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Well, she was planning to sell Sterno to Eskimos, but she drank it, instead. ......................snip.............. Good Morning Harry. I am sure you did not know that using the word "Eskimo" to describe the "Inuit" people of the far north, is like calling a black man the " N " word. James D. Carter |
Harry,
Now here's a good post, you do on occasion come up with some interesting information. Thanks Paul Harry Krause wrote: No, I didn't know that. Noted. Thanks. I would spell it Innuit, though. Are you sure about this? Because "Eskimo" is a native American word of Algonquian origins: ("EskIm@U) [a. Da. Eskimo (Sw. Eskimå), ad. F. Esquimaux pl., from some Algonquian Indian language; cf. Proto-Algonquian *a_k- raw, *-imo eat, Abnaki askimo (pl. askimoak), Eskimo, eaters of raw flesh.] and there are references to a language of the same name: Any of the several languages of this people, of which one set of dialects or languages, also called Inupik, is spread from Norton Sound, Alaska, to Greenland, and another set, also called Yupik, is in southwest Alaska and the eastern tip of Siberia. These languages, together with those of the Aleut, form the Eskimo-Aleut, -Aleutian family. But I don't want to offend a fine people in any way. It's not as if they are neoconvicts. Rephrase: Well, she was planning to sell Sterno to the Inuit, but she drank it, instead. |
N S Sherlock,
Well put! I enjoy Chuck's boat reviews. Yes they lack a lot of critical content. Chuck's articles as well as most magazine writers go easy on the manufacturers, the magazines need the advertisement revenue. You can't blame the writers because other wise they wouldn't get published. Most of these reviews are just an introduction to the boat, a tour so to speak. I myself enjoy and understand this. I take it for what it's worth. It's one reason why I subscribe to PowerBoat Reports. It's a bit more expensive that the other boating magazines I subscribe to but they don't hold back any punches. But then again, they're is just another opinion. Paul N S Sherlock wrote: Karen, I agree that the article was a fluff PR piece for the boat, that is actually an ad for the boat, but I do not agree that this article should not be posted in rec.boats or would ever be considered SPAM. The OT political arguments have taken over rec.boats and any kind of actual boating post is desperately needed. If you check out the subscription rate for boating magazines you will see that many many recreational boaters find these articles enjoyable. I do not believe this articles or Chuck's other Boat "reviews" would ever be considered SPAM. SPAM is " Unsolicited "junk" e-mail sent to large numbers of people to promote products or services. Also refers to inappropriate promotional or commercial postings to discussion groups or bulletin boards." I sincerely doubt anyone who is in the market for $2.2 million yacht is looking in rec.boats for a boat to buy, and I sincerely doubt if the builder requested Chuck post this article in rec.boats. Chuck is being paid to write the article for publication in a magazine, not for making the post in rec.boats. Since neither Chuck or the builder are profiting from the post it would not be considered SPAM. I believe Chuck posted this article, in the exact same vein he made the post concerning gas pollution. It was a very legitimate attempt to get the NG back on topic. |
JimH,
Well we can agree to disagree. :-) Paul JimH wrote: Nice troll. It may be about boating but it is spam none the less. wrote in message ups.com... Dedicated to my special friend.... snip Yachtsmen considering a vessel of this size and quality would be well advised to inspect Hull #680-10 at Adventure Yachts. Her market value is $2,252,000. For additional information, please contact Adventure Yachts at 206-283-3010 or visit the website www.adventureyachts.com |
Paul
Eskimo means "eaters of raw meat" and was the name Canadian Indians used when talking about the Inuits. The Inuits have always referred to themselves as Inuit (the Yupik variant is Yuit), which means the "real people." It may not be as negative as the N word, but it is definitely antiquated, sort of like calling Native American's "Indians". "Paul Schilter" ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote in message ... Jim, Didn't know that. Where does the term Eskimos come from? I take it they wish to be called "Inuit"? Paul Jim Carter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Well, she was planning to sell Sterno to Eskimos, but she drank it, instead. ......................snip.............. Good Morning Harry. I am sure you did not know that using the word "Eskimo" to describe the "Inuit" people of the far north, is like calling a black man the " N " word. James D. Carter |
Karen,
I don't consider it an ad. It's a link to the boat manufacturer's site so if you're interested you can get further information. Like N S Sherlock said, the manufacturer probably didn't ask Chuck to post that and Chuck isn't making an money by posting it here, so it isn't spam. You know you're a much better read when you're just posting about boats. Please don't take this as an attack, it isn't meant to be. Peace Paul K. Smith wrote: snipped So you agree it's an ad then??? but say because it's an ad for a boat that's OK??? You can have your opinion on it & certainly some people accept & even like ads in the NG (dealers or those who work for dealers mostly:-)), none of which changes the fact that ads trying to sell things in this NG are called spam & the world is trying to stop spam in general & in no spam NGs particularly. snipped |
John H,
Well put! Can't we just all get along? Paul John H wrote: On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:54:45 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote: The OT political arguments have taken over rec.boats and any kind of actual boating post is desperately needed. If you check out the subscription rate for boating magazines you will see that many many recreational boaters find these articles enjoyable. I do not believe this articles or Chuck's other Boat "reviews" would ever be considered SPAM. SPAM is " Unsolicited "junk" e-mail sent to large numbers of people to promote products or services. Also refers to inappropriate promotional or commercial postings to discussion groups or bulletin boards." Again your interpretation(s) are yours & that's fine, I hold a different view. As for you comments about OT posts again this particular poster is one of the major OT posters in this NG, always starting or promoting political posts, so to now give him credit because he posts an ad promoting a boat??? Again that's your view. I get a whole hell of a lot of spam, and Gould's article wouldn't fall into that category, IMO. I would call Gould's article an 'infomercial'. It provides information (granted it's only one-sided) about a product. In this particular case, a trip to the web site would have provided about as much information, along with a virtual tour of the boat. My big question, after reading his post, was, "Does it run?" Gould didn't address any of the running characteristics of the boat, so I assume it was just a walk-through at the dealership. However, it *was* boating related, was much more than a 'For Sale' ad, and did provide some information. [Who would have known that a Gaggenau barbecue grill will prepare steak, ribs, chicken, or fresh seafood?] You questioned the truthfulness of the article and his deceit. Did you find anything in the article that was false? Before you get ****ed (which I hope you don't find necessary) please realize that I appreciate your posts showing the falsehoods associated with some of the things said about boat/engine articles. You often provide factual information enjoyable to read. Please continue doing so. OTOH, attacks on Gould when he posts one of these 'informercials' does no one any good. Your personal attacks of Harry, however deserved, detract from your on-topic posts and do nothing but start flame wars, as opposed to a discussion of the topic at hand. My advice -- Use a separate thread for your off-topic posts. Thanks. |
Yep. And based on your beliefs you will love my newest posts. As they are
boating related they must be OK, eh? "Paul Schilter" ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote in message ... JimH, Well we can agree to disagree. :-) Paul JimH wrote: Nice troll. It may be about boating but it is spam none the less. wrote in message ups.com... Dedicated to my special friend.... snip Yachtsmen considering a vessel of this size and quality would be well advised to inspect Hull #680-10 at Adventure Yachts. Her market value is $2,252,000. For additional information, please contact Adventure Yachts at 206-283-3010 or visit the website www.adventureyachts.com |
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 18:23:32 -0500, Paul Schilter
""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote: Jim, Didn't know that. Where does the term Eskimos come from? I take it they wish to be called "Inuit"? From http://www.alaskan.com/docs/eskimo.html Eskimo The Eskimo are the native inhabitants of the seacoasts of the Arctic and sub-Arctic regions of North America and the northeastern tip of Siberia. Their habitation area extends over four countries: the United States, Canada, the USSR, and Greenland. Of the more than 90,000 Eskimo in this region, the greater part live south of the Arctic Circle, with approximately 28,000 on the Aleutian Islands and in Alaska; 17,000 in Canada; 1,500 in Siberia; and 45,000 in Greenland. The word Eskimo is not an Eskimo word. It means "eaters of raw meat" and was used by the Algonquin Indians of eastern Canada for these hardy neighbors who wore animal-skin clothing and were adept hunters. The name became commonly employed by European explorers and now is generally used, even by Eskimo. Their own term for themselves is Inuit (the Yupik variant is Yuit), which means the "real people." The Eskimo inhabit one of the most inclement regions of the world. Their land is mostly tundra--low, flat, treeless plains where the ground remains permanently frozen except for a few inches of the surface during the brief summer season. Although some groups are settled on rivers and depend on fishing, and others follow inland caribou herds, most Eskimo traditionally have lived primarily as hunters of maritime mammals (seals, walrus, and whales), and the structure and ethos of their culture have always been fundamentally oriented to the sea. One of the most striking aspects of traditional Eskimo culture is its relative homogeneity across more than 8,000 km (5,000 mi) of the vast expanses of the Arctic. The main institutional and psychological patterns of the culture--religious, social, and economic--are much the same. There are some differences in traditional kinship systems, however, especially in the western regions, and the language is divided into two major dialectical groups, the Inupik speakers (Greenland to western Alaska) and the Yupik speakers (southwestern Alaska and Siberia) Later, Tom |
"Paul Schilter" ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote in message ... Jim, Didn't know that. Where does the term Eskimos come from? I take it they wish to be called "Inuit"? Paul Hi Paul: The term " Eskimo" is taken from the Algonquin tribe language and the meaning is "eater of raw flesh". It was an ancient name that the Inuit detested as it was in reference to the, sometimes, act of cannibalism. The Inuit have always called themselves "Inuit" as a people and "Inuk" as a person. I have traveled to Rankin Inlet in Nunavut ( Canadian Northern Territory) to visit my niece who is a school teacher in this town. ( and to go fishing ) She told me of how the people react to Americans who call them "Eskimo". They definitely don't like it at all. James D. Carter |
On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 19:10:18 -0500, "Jim Carter"
wrote: "Paul Schilter" ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote in message ... Jim, Didn't know that. Where does the term Eskimos come from? I take it they wish to be called "Inuit"? Paul Hi Paul: The term " Eskimo" is taken from the Algonquin tribe language and the meaning is "eater of raw flesh". It was an ancient name that the Inuit detested as it was in reference to the, sometimes, act of cannibalism. The Inuit have always called themselves "Inuit" as a people and "Inuk" as a person. I have traveled to Rankin Inlet in Nunavut ( Canadian Northern Territory) to visit my niece who is a school teacher in this town. ( and to go fishing ) She told me of how the people react to Americans who call them "Eskimo". They definitely don't like it at all. That's odd. For some reason, we have a small contingent of Inuit here in town - I think two or three of the family teach in local colleges and at UCONN. They have never objected to the term Eskimo. Go figure. Later, Tom |
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 18:47:03 -0500, Paul Schilter ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot
net" wrote: John H, Well put! Can't we just all get along? Paul John H wrote: On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:54:45 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote: The OT political arguments have taken over rec.boats and any kind of actual boating post is desperately needed. If you check out the subscription rate for boating magazines you will see that many many recreational boaters find these articles enjoyable. I do not believe this articles or Chuck's other Boat "reviews" would ever be considered SPAM. SPAM is " Unsolicited "junk" e-mail sent to large numbers of people to promote products or services. Also refers to inappropriate promotional or commercial postings to discussion groups or bulletin boards." Again your interpretation(s) are yours & that's fine, I hold a different view. As for you comments about OT posts again this particular poster is one of the major OT posters in this NG, always starting or promoting political posts, so to now give him credit because he posts an ad promoting a boat??? Again that's your view. I get a whole hell of a lot of spam, and Gould's article wouldn't fall into that category, IMO. I would call Gould's article an 'infomercial'. It provides information (granted it's only one-sided) about a product. In this particular case, a trip to the web site would have provided about as much information, along with a virtual tour of the boat. My big question, after reading his post, was, "Does it run?" Gould didn't address any of the running characteristics of the boat, so I assume it was just a walk-through at the dealership. However, it *was* boating related, was much more than a 'For Sale' ad, and did provide some information. [Who would have known that a Gaggenau barbecue grill will prepare steak, ribs, chicken, or fresh seafood?] You questioned the truthfulness of the article and his deceit. Did you find anything in the article that was false? Before you get ****ed (which I hope you don't find necessary) please realize that I appreciate your posts showing the falsehoods associated with some of the things said about boat/engine articles. You often provide factual information enjoyable to read. Please continue doing so. OTOH, attacks on Gould when he posts one of these 'informercials' does no one any good. Your personal attacks of Harry, however deserved, detract from your on-topic posts and do nothing but start flame wars, as opposed to a discussion of the topic at hand. My advice -- Use a separate thread for your off-topic posts. Thanks. It sure wouldn't bother me a damn bit! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 00:32:38 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 19:10:18 -0500, "Jim Carter" wrote: "Paul Schilter" ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote in message ... Jim, Didn't know that. Where does the term Eskimos come from? I take it they wish to be called "Inuit"? Paul Hi Paul: The term " Eskimo" is taken from the Algonquin tribe language and the meaning is "eater of raw flesh". It was an ancient name that the Inuit detested as it was in reference to the, sometimes, act of cannibalism. The Inuit have always called themselves "Inuit" as a people and "Inuk" as a person. I have traveled to Rankin Inlet in Nunavut ( Canadian Northern Territory) to visit my niece who is a school teacher in this town. ( and to go fishing ) She told me of how the people react to Americans who call them "Eskimo". They definitely don't like it at all. That's odd. For some reason, we have a small contingent of Inuit here in town - I think two or three of the family teach in local colleges and at UCONN. They have never objected to the term Eskimo. Go figure. Later, Tom I've never had a Korean, Vietnamese, or Chinese object at my use of the term 'Oriental', which many say is derogatory. Perhaps your Inuit and my Koreans, Vietnamese, and Chinese are just very polite! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"K. Smith" wrote in message news: So you agree it's an ad then??? but say because it's an ad for a boat that's OK??? You can have your opinion on it & certainly some people accept & even like ads in the NG (dealers or those who work for dealers mostly:-)), none of which changes the fact that ads trying to sell things in this NG are called spam & the world is trying to stop spam in general & in no spam NGs particularly. As for this particular poster he regularly posts things he claims are his own work when in fact he's just dressing up a publicity ad to look like it's a true review & of course he has many many priors for posting blatantly false material in his efforts to sell things in this NG. Again for clarity I respect your view that you don't think it's spam, I hold a different view which I hope you will also respect. Personally, I've totally lost respect for your view. You complain about Chuck's "Spam" post which are at least ON topic, then you inundate us with an OFF topic post, wherein you don't have the curtesy to delete the useless repetition of what's been said, you add stupid nonsense regarding "Harry" ( who we all know, is an idiot) plus longwinded diatribes about your views on Spam (We couldn't really care less), etc., .... Karen, YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!! YOU are in NO way PART OF THE SOLUTION !!!!!! Hey Chuck ..... I enjoy reading your pieces about various boats and boat related stuff .... keep it up. Hey Karen ....... You used to contribute some half way decent material (we didn't alway agree) ..... most of your post nowadays ..... are junk. G If you'd like to go after ME for OT post ..... have at it. otn |
JohnH,
Oriental isn't derogatory, it just isn't appropriate when discussing people. It would be used to describe artwork, furniture or rugs, but not people. Asians is the term you mean to use when you use "oriental". "John H" wrote in message ... On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 00:32:38 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 19:10:18 -0500, "Jim Carter" wrote: "Paul Schilter" ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote in message ... Jim, Didn't know that. Where does the term Eskimos come from? I take it they wish to be called "Inuit"? Paul Hi Paul: The term " Eskimo" is taken from the Algonquin tribe language and the meaning is "eater of raw flesh". It was an ancient name that the Inuit detested as it was in reference to the, sometimes, act of cannibalism. The Inuit have always called themselves "Inuit" as a people and "Inuk" as a person. I have traveled to Rankin Inlet in Nunavut ( Canadian Northern Territory) to visit my niece who is a school teacher in this town. ( and to go fishing ) She told me of how the people react to Americans who call them "Eskimo". They definitely don't like it at all. That's odd. For some reason, we have a small contingent of Inuit here in town - I think two or three of the family teach in local colleges and at UCONN. They have never objected to the term Eskimo. Go figure. Later, Tom I've never had a Korean, Vietnamese, or Chinese object at my use of the term 'Oriental', which many say is derogatory. Perhaps your Inuit and my Koreans, Vietnamese, and Chinese are just very polite! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
John H wrote:
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:54:45 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote: The OT political arguments have taken over rec.boats and any kind of actual boating post is desperately needed. If you check out the subscription rate for boating magazines you will see that many many recreational boaters find these articles enjoyable. I do not believe this articles or Chuck's other Boat "reviews" would ever be considered SPAM. SPAM is " Unsolicited "junk" e-mail sent to large numbers of people to promote products or services. Also refers to inappropriate promotional or commercial postings to discussion groups or bulletin boards." Again your interpretation(s) are yours & that's fine, I hold a different view. As for you comments about OT posts again this particular poster is one of the major OT posters in this NG, always starting or promoting political posts, so to now give him credit because he posts an ad promoting a boat??? Again that's your view. I get a whole hell of a lot of spam, and Gould's article wouldn't fall into that category, IMO. As you say John in your opinion, which I respect; clearly I hold a different opinion. I would call Gould's article an 'infomercial'. It provides information (granted it's only one-sided) about a product. In this particular case, a trip to the web site would have provided about as much information, along with a virtual tour of the boat. So it's an ad?? we're pretty close to agreement I would say the real difference is you don't think Gould is a spamming grub & I do, again we're both entitled to our view, although on many occasions I've caught him BS'ting on the facts, fuel usage hull constructions etc & always explained why. My big question, after reading his post, was, "Does it run?" Gould didn't address any of the running characteristics of the boat, so I assume it was just a walk-through at the dealership. No it was a fluff piece so he can pretend he's actually part of the marketing of big ticket boats, why?? who knows?? he says he's made enough over the years selling used cars to the unsuspecting & other people's boats for unearned percentages:-) but whatever the reason it's spam & is not allowed in this no spam NG. Even if you like it John, even if you, Paul otm or humphrey B bear & other Gould, Krause supporters all like it, that's just tough. I suggest you go to the website because Gould's endless spam shouldn't be posted here, anymore than the same person starts & continues endless OT political posts. Beware he's a full on Bs'ter of the first order he can worm around anything till he gets his own way or "makes the sale". However, it *was* boating related, was much more than a 'For Sale' ad, and did provide some information. [Who would have known that a Gaggenau barbecue grill will prepare steak, ribs, chicken, or fresh seafood?] Clearly not Gould I'd suggest but rarely does he know much of anything boating, even a BBQ when it's on a boat:-). You questioned the truthfulness of the article and his deceit. Did you find anything in the article that was false? False as in a lie?? well it's just the usual sales pitch with the important stuff missing, NB the usual unsupported claims of quality etc if you're really looking for the BS then have a good check of the "hand laid hull" claim this is classic Gould territory, the last time he claimed that one it was proven to be as accurate as his fuel consumption claims, that is it's just marketing BS. As for the claims of quality have a look around & you'll see the older of this mark being sold as what they are, just another Taiwanese elcheapo import. As for Gould himself posting this spam??? of course it's just another stunning example of his socialist lefty dumbo characterless hypocrisy. Remember John he regularly starts OT threads to lecture the NG about the evils of shopping for cheap poorly made imports at walmart & even worse, much worse:-) buying a Chinese toaster!!!! Honestly John how many toasters do you think it might take to equal the foreign exchange implications of just one of these Chinese (relax I know it's Taiwan but it depends on how you look at it & besides I wanted to say "junk":-)) junks & I use the term in it's western form:-). Yet when there's an advantage to the Gould spammer he seems to be a typical uneducated simpleton lefty & doesn't live by the standards he happily demands of others:-) He has a Chinese boat himself & when he replaced the motor did he buy local??? no of course not he bought another imported engine, in other words if there's an advantage to Gould in anything then he does it I suggest that's how he's lived his life, it seems unchallenged till now that is:-) you're defending a Krause supporting creep. Before you get ****ed (which I hope you don't find necessary) please realize that I appreciate your posts showing the falsehoods associated with some of the things said about boat/engine articles. You often provide factual information enjoyable to read. Please continue doing so. Errr .... um ... thanks for the permission John???? but I will invited or not:-) equally if nobody says anything about Gould's spam he really ups the load, this way he will pull his huge bald head in for a while, watch & see if I'm not right:-) Jim H is dead right in his posts above, nobody has any trouble seeing them as good examples of spam, this is just more of Gould's spam. OTOH, attacks on Gould when he posts one of these 'informercials' does no one any good. But hey John I feel better:-) indeed when there isn't some idiot dealer promoting Ficht renamed as E-Tec this is a bit of fun, I'm not thanking Gould for his spam of course just saying I don't mind doing it as I said, as a NG community service:-) Your personal attacks of Harry, however deserved, detract from your on-topic posts and do nothing but start flame wars, as opposed to a discussion of the topic at hand. My advice -- Use a separate thread for your off-topic posts. Well there ya go we do agree on one thing & the lying idiot flies with Gould, do you have the saying there "you fly with the crows you get shot with the crows"????? Thanks. Thanks to you & take care. K The Krause lie for today is the one where he tries to say that he can claim he "owns" a boat if he just goes out on a boat. Just as he used to email pics around the NG contributors but always on a "charter" boat!!! This lying idiot then claims that's because he learns more about fishing in his bay:-) One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in her car every day, but she doesn't own it. I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I questioned your wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it. No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console with, if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got out to the Gulf Stream. Bride and I caught and released: 1 white marlin 12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty fish. Assorted red snappers 1 amberjack 2 jack crevalle jacks 1 snook Nondescript sharks |
"Jim Carter" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Well, she was planning to sell Sterno to Eskimos, but she drank it, instead. ......................snip.............. Good Morning Harry. I am sure you did not know that using the word "Eskimo" to describe the "Inuit" people of the far north, is like calling a black man the " N " word. You probably shouldn't get too carried away with being PC... because the above simply is *not* true. Eskimos people in Greenland and Canada are all Inuit, and much prefer to be called Inuit (or Greenlander in Greenland) mostly because that best describes them. In Canada the term Eskimo does have some racist connotations, but nothing near what you are saying. What Inuit people in Canada object to is not the word's use, but its misuse. Of course in Alaska where there are both Inuit (none of whom want to be called Inuit) and Yupik Eskimos, the term Eskimo is commonly used by virtually everyone. And Inuit is never used, because the Inuit people of Alaska all call themselves Inupiat. (And individual is an Inupiaq, and the language is Inupiaq. That is somewhat different than Yupik, where an individual is a Yuk, and the language is Yupik.) -- Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
Harry Krause wrote:
Jim Carter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote: "Inuit" people of the far north, is like calling a black man the " N " word. No, I didn't know that. Noted. Thanks. I would spell it Innuit, though. Except... that isn't true. (Innuit is an older spelling that has lost favor to Inuit since development of a modern orthography.) Are you sure about this? Because "Eskimo" is a native American word of Algonquian origins: That is true, but what follows has been known wrong for 25 years or so. I makes a good story, so everyone remembers it, and good stories die hard. ("EskIm@U) [a. Da. Eskimo (Sw. Eskimå), ad. F. Esquimaux pl., from some Algonquian Indian language; cf. Proto-Algonquian *a_k- raw, *-imo eat, Abnaki askimo (pl. askimoak), Eskimo, eaters of raw flesh.] Actually there are two lines of thought on what it means. Ives Goddard (at the Smithsonian, and a linguist who studies Algonquian language) says it means "snowshoe netters". I've never seen his justification for that, but it is becoming the popular etymology. However, Jose Mailhot, an anthropologist from Quebec (who publishes in French, and is therefore little known in the US or on the Internet) who speaks fluent Cree did a definitive study some years back. No part of the study has ever been refuted, so I tend to accept it as fact. She says it simply means "people who speak a different langauge". Mailhot, Jose, L'etymologie de *esquimau' revuew et corrigee. In: Etudes/Inuit/Studies 2(2): 59-69. See http://linguistlist.org/issues/7/7-300.html for more discussion. and there are references to a language of the same name: Any of the several languages of this people, of which one set of dialects or languages, also called Inupik, is spread from Norton It should be spelled Inupiaq. They call themselves Inupiat. Sound, Alaska, to Greenland, and another set, also called Yupik, is in southwest Alaska and the eastern tip of Siberia. These languages, together with those of the Aleut, form the Eskimo-Aleut, -Aleutian family. But I don't want to offend a fine people in any way. It's not as if they are neoconvicts. Rephrase: Well, she was planning to sell Sterno to the Inuit, but she drank it, instead. Don't say that to anyone in Alaska, because the might laugh at you. Even the Inupiat people (who actually are Inuit) don't use the term Inuit. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
"T S Sherlock" wrote:
Paul Eskimo means "eaters of raw meat" and was the name Canadian Indians used when talking about the Inuits. Nahhh. It ain't so. But it does make for a good story... The Inuits have always referred to themselves as Inuit (the Yupik variant is Yuit), which means the "real people." Inuit and Yupik are the same word in two different languages. They both derive from same Proto-Eskimo word (which means that 2000 years ago, the ancestors of both Inuit and Yupik people spoke one language, and the word they used to mean the same thing is something like "Inuy". It does mean "Real People", but in a way that is very difficult to explain to most English speakers because of their religious convictions. It actually means a human in the sense of being the original owner of a human spirit. That would be as opposed to a non-human masquerading as a human, which may well look and sound exactly like a human, but might have the spirit of a bear. (If you think that is unreasonable, just go annoy someone you suspect of being a bear, and see of they don't just turn into one...) It may not be as negative as the N word, but it is definitely antiquated, sort of like calling Native American's "Indians". That's silly. First, it isn't antiquated in any way. It is the one and the only word that refers to all Eskimo people, languages, or cultures. If you want to reference them all, there is no other way to do it. (Which is a common requirement when speaking to Alaskans... or to linguists.) Second, the same problem applies to "Native American's" vs. "Indians". Some people don't like one, some don't like the other. But regardless, the two words have *different* meanings! Indians are American Indians. Native Americans are Indians, Eskimo, Aleuts, Hawaiians, Samoans and probably a couple other types of people who are not Indians. Native American is a word that was coin a few decades ago for use by the government.... "Paul Schilter" ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote in message ... Jim, Didn't know that. Where does the term Eskimos come from? I take it they wish to be called "Inuit"? Paul Jim Carter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Well, she was planning to sell Sterno to Eskimos, but she drank it, instead. ......................snip.............. Good Morning Harry. I am sure you did not know that using the word "Eskimo" to describe the "Inuit" people of the far north, is like calling a black man the " N " word. James D. Carter -- Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
From http://www.alaskan.com/docs/eskimo.html Shame on them for spread untruths... :-) Eskimo The Eskimo are the native inhabitants of the seacoasts of the Arctic and sub-Arctic regions of North America and the northeastern tip of Siberia. Their habitation area extends over four countries: the United States, Canada, the USSR, and Greenland. Of the more than 90,000 Eskimo in this region, the greater part live south of the Arctic Circle, with approximately 28,000 on the Aleutian Islands and in Alaska; 17,000 in Canada; 1,500 in Siberia; and 45,000 in Greenland. The word Eskimo is not an Eskimo word. It means "eaters of raw meat" I've posted facts and a couple cites on this in another message. That is not the actual etymology of the word, though it makes a good story so people like it. and was used by the Algonquin Indians of eastern Canada for these hardy neighbors who wore animal-skin clothing and were adept hunters. The name became commonly employed by European explorers and now is generally used, even by Eskimo. Their own term for themselves is Inuit (the Yupik variant is Yuit), which means the "real people." Yuit just means a group of people. Yupik means "Genuine people". Another word that is actually the same as Yupik is Yupiaq. The Eskimo inhabit one of the most inclement regions of the world. Their land is mostly tundra--low, flat, treeless plains where the ground remains permanently frozen except for a few inches of the surface during the brief summer season. Although some groups are settled on rivers and depend on fishing, and others follow inland caribou herds, most Eskimo traditionally have lived primarily as hunters of maritime mammals (seals, walrus, and whales), and the structure and ethos of their culture have always been fundamentally oriented to the sea. That is quite accurate. One of the most striking aspects of traditional Eskimo culture is its relative homogeneity across more than 8,000 km (5,000 mi) of the vast expanses of the Arctic. The main institutional and psychological patterns of the culture--religious, social, and economic--are much the same. There are some differences in traditional kinship systems, however, especially in the western regions, and the language is I don't know what they mean by "especially in the western regions". Not that I know of... divided into two major dialectical groups, the Inupik speakers (Greenland to western Alaska) and the Yupik speakers (southwestern Alaska and Siberia) And that is accurate too. The Inupiaq (that is the what it is called in Alaska) language broke away from Proto-Eskimo perhaps 1500-2000 years ago, and rapidly spread from the Bering Straits area eastward to Greenland. Today the Inupiaq language presents a continuum from west to east, though at the fringes there are some significant variations (influence by Yupik in the west and ritual word replacement in Eastern Greenland). Otherwise they can easily communicate with each other. Yupik on the other hand has been in place for several thousands of years, and in some cases even relatively close villages speak dialects so different that they cannot understand each other. It actually took study by linguists to discover that it was one language with several very distinct dialects as opposed to just several languages. Note that occasionally you'll see the word "Yup'ik", which is pronounced exactly the same as Yupik, but it is used to refer to the Central Alaskan Yupik people or language. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
"Jim Carter" wrote:
"Paul Schilter" ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote in message ... Jim, Didn't know that. Where does the term Eskimos come from? I take it they wish to be called "Inuit"? Paul Hi Paul: The term " Eskimo" is taken from the Algonquin tribe language and the meaning is "eater of raw flesh". It was an ancient name that the Inuit detested as it was in reference to the, sometimes, act of cannibalism. The Inuit have always called themselves "Inuit" as a people and "Inuk" as a Those words have only been around for... 1500 years or so. Eskimos have been around for at least 5000, maybe 8000 or more, years. person. I have traveled to Rankin Inlet in Nunavut ( Canadian Northern Territory) to visit my niece who is a school teacher in this town. ( and to go fishing ) She told me of how the people react to Americans who call them "Eskimo". They definitely don't like it at all. Depends on how you use it. People who have been abused by a government that used the word Eskimo to implement the abuse don't like it, particularly if there is even a hint of racism. On the other hand, if you use it *correctly*, which is to say when you are referring to *all* types of Eskimos, not just Inuit, even the Inuit people of Canada don't mind it. Of course there is very little need for it in Canada. Here in Alaska that is an everyday usage that is very common. Besides, nobody here calls themselves Inuit. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
That's odd. For some reason, we have a small contingent of Inuit here in town - I think two or three of the family teach in local colleges and at UCONN. They have never objected to the term Eskimo. Go figure. I figure you were probably paying attention to *them*, rather than what others say about them. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote in message ... ...................................snip........... ........... Don't say that to anyone in Alaska, because the might laugh at you. Even the Inupiat people (who actually are Inuit) don't use the term Inuit. Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) Hi Floyd: What you have mentioned may be true of the Western Arctic but not so in the Eastern Arctic. The term Inuit is used by "the people" and they absolutely detest the name Eskimo. It is considered, by themselves, to be a racial slur. You are very correct when you say it was probably started by Government's and the white traders despicable treatments of the Inuit in times past. James D. Carter |
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:43:00 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote:
John H wrote: On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 07:54:45 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote: The OT political arguments have taken over rec.boats and any kind of actual boating post is desperately needed. If you check out the subscription rate for boating magazines you will see that many many recreational boaters find these articles enjoyable. I do not believe this articles or Chuck's other Boat "reviews" would ever be considered SPAM. SPAM is " Unsolicited "junk" e-mail sent to large numbers of people to promote products or services. Also refers to inappropriate promotional or commercial postings to discussion groups or bulletin boards." Again your interpretation(s) are yours & that's fine, I hold a different view. As for you comments about OT posts again this particular poster is one of the major OT posters in this NG, always starting or promoting political posts, so to now give him credit because he posts an ad promoting a boat??? Again that's your view. I get a whole hell of a lot of spam, and Gould's article wouldn't fall into that category, IMO. As you say John in your opinion, which I respect; clearly I hold a different opinion. I would call Gould's article an 'infomercial'. It provides information (granted it's only one-sided) about a product. In this particular case, a trip to the web site would have provided about as much information, along with a virtual tour of the boat. So it's an ad?? we're pretty close to agreement I would say the real difference is you don't think Gould is a spamming grub & I do, again we're both entitled to our view, although on many occasions I've caught him BS'ting on the facts, fuel usage hull constructions etc & always explained why. So far, I don't put Gould in the same category as, "Reply-To: "Vicky Claude" Subject: force V1C0DD1N, V1AAGRRA, C1AAL1S, S0MMA, \/ALLIUM, Z0LOFT, XANAA, C0DE1NE AT L0W..." Now *that's* spam! My big question, after reading his post, was, "Does it run?" Gould didn't address any of the running characteristics of the boat, so I assume it was just a walk-through at the dealership. No it was a fluff piece so he can pretend he's actually part of the marketing of big ticket boats, why?? who knows?? he says he's made enough over the years selling used cars to the unsuspecting & other people's boats for unearned percentages:-) but whatever the reason it's spam & is not allowed in this no spam NG. Even if you like it John, even if you, Paul otm or humphrey B bear & other Gould, Krause supporters all like it, that's just tough. I suggest you go to the website because Gould's endless spam shouldn't be posted here, anymore than the same person starts & continues endless OT political posts. Beware he's a full on Bs'ter of the first order he can worm around anything till he gets his own way or "makes the sale". However, it *was* boating related, was much more than a 'For Sale' ad, and did provide some information. [Who would have known that a Gaggenau barbecue grill will prepare steak, ribs, chicken, or fresh seafood?] Clearly not Gould I'd suggest but rarely does he know much of anything boating, even a BBQ when it's on a boat:-). You questioned the truthfulness of the article and his deceit. Did you find anything in the article that was false? False as in a lie?? well it's just the usual sales pitch with the important stuff missing, NB the usual unsupported claims of quality etc if you're really looking for the BS then have a good check of the "hand laid hull" claim this is classic Gould territory, the last time he claimed that one it was proven to be as accurate as his fuel consumption claims, that is it's just marketing BS. As for the claims of quality have a look around & you'll see the older of this mark being sold as what they are, just another Taiwanese elcheapo import. Made in Taiwan? I don't recall seeing that in Gould's article (probably 'cause it wasn't mentioned?) I, personally, think that is important information that should have been included in the write-up. Of course, it may be that unless an article announces the boat is made in the USA, one should assume it's made in another country. As for Gould himself posting this spam??? of course it's just another stunning example of his socialist lefty dumbo characterless hypocrisy. Remember John he regularly starts OT threads to lecture the NG about the evils of shopping for cheap poorly made imports at walmart & even worse, much worse:-) buying a Chinese toaster!!!! Honestly John how many toasters do you think it might take to equal the foreign exchange implications of just one of these Chinese (relax I know it's Taiwan but it depends on how you look at it & besides I wanted to say "junk":-)) junks & I use the term in it's western form:-). Yet when there's an advantage to the Gould spammer he seems to be a typical uneducated simpleton lefty & doesn't live by the standards he happily demands of others:-) He has a Chinese boat himself & when he replaced the motor did he buy local??? no of course not he bought another imported engine, in other words if there's an advantage to Gould in anything then he does it I suggest that's how he's lived his life, it seems unchallenged till now that is:-) you're defending a Krause supporting creep. Before you get ****ed (which I hope you don't find necessary) please realize that I appreciate your posts showing the falsehoods associated with some of the things said about boat/engine articles. You often provide factual information enjoyable to read. Please continue doing so. Errr .... um ... thanks for the permission John???? but I will invited or not:-) equally if nobody says anything about Gould's spam he really ups the load, this way he will pull his huge bald head in for a while, watch & see if I'm not right:-) Jim H is dead right in his posts above, nobody has any trouble seeing them as good examples of spam, this is just more of Gould's spam. Not 'permission', but a request. "Please continue doing so." OTOH, attacks on Gould when he posts one of these 'informercials' does no one any good. But hey John I feel better:-) indeed when there isn't some idiot dealer promoting Ficht renamed as E-Tec this is a bit of fun, I'm not thanking Gould for his spam of course just saying I don't mind doing it as I said, as a NG community service:-) Pointing out the Taiwanese origin of this boat was a NG community service. Your personal attacks of Harry, however deserved, detract from your on-topic posts and do nothing but start flame wars, as opposed to a discussion of the topic at hand. My advice -- Use a separate thread for your off-topic posts. Well there ya go we do agree on one thing & the lying idiot flies with Gould, do you have the saying there "you fly with the crows you get shot with the crows"????? Well, similar..."You can't soar with the eagles if you're mired in eagle ****." -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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"Jim Carter" wrote:
"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote in message ... ..................................snip........... ........... Don't say that to anyone in Alaska, because the might laugh at you. Even the Inupiat people (who actually are Inuit) don't use the term Inuit. Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) Hi Floyd: What you have mentioned may be true of the Western Arctic but not so in the Eastern Arctic. The term Inuit is used by "the people" and they absolutely detest the name Eskimo. It is considered, by themselves, to be a racial slur. You are very correct when you say it was probably started by Government's and the white traders despicable treatments of the Inuit in times past. I have yet to meet a Canadian or Greenland Eskimo who actually got upset about the term Eskimo. What they get upset about is the attitude of *people*, not the terminology. Every single one of them that I've met were well aware of the proper use of the the term, and had no problem with it. You realize of course that it is rarely ever needed in Canada or Greenland, simply because all of the Eskimos there are indeed Inuit. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) |
"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote in message ... "Jim Carter" wrote: "Floyd L. Davidson" wrote in message ... ..................................snip.......... ............ Don't say that to anyone in Alaska, because the might laugh at you. Even the Inupiat people (who actually are Inuit) don't use the term Inuit. Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) Hi Floyd: What you have mentioned may be true of the Western Arctic but not so in the Eastern Arctic. The term Inuit is used by "the people" and they absolutely detest the name Eskimo. It is considered, by themselves, to be a racial slur. You are very correct when you say it was probably started by Government's and the white traders despicable treatments of the Inuit in times past. I have yet to meet a Canadian or Greenland Eskimo who actually got upset about the term Eskimo. What they get upset about is the attitude of *people*, not the terminology. Every single one of them that I've met were well aware of the proper use of the the term, and had no problem with it. You realize of course that it is rarely ever needed in Canada or Greenland, simply because all of the Eskimos there are indeed Inuit. -- Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) I was always partial to the Tuit's. Here is one that I love: http://tinyurl.com/3svju |
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