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Worlds Most Powerfull 4 stroke OB
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:44:58 +0000, FishFan wrote:
"Clams Canino" wrote in message news:fbVWb.17180$_44.19735@attbi_s52... Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today. Supercharged even.  http://www.mercurymarine.com/ -W Anybody look at the weight? 649 lbs for a 225!! In fact, isn't that about the weight of a 220hp I/O ? (5L V8) Lloyd |
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:07:48 +0000, Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:44:58 +0000, FishFan wrote: "Clams Canino" wrote in message news:fbVWb.17180$_44.19735@attbi_s52... Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today. Supercharged even. http://www.mercurymarine.com/ -W Anybody look at the weight? 649 lbs for a 225!! In fact, isn't that about the weight of a 220hp I/O ? (5L V8) Lloyd (and I'm guessing it's NOT FWC ! Lloyd |
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Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:07:48 +0000, Lloyd Sumpter wrote: On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:44:58 +0000, FishFan wrote: "Clams Canino" wrote in message news:fbVWb.17180$_44.19735@attbi_s52... Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today. Supercharged even. http://www.mercurymarine.com/ -W Anybody look at the weight? 649 lbs for a 225!! In fact, isn't that about the weight of a 220hp I/O ? (5L V8) Lloyd (and I'm guessing it's NOT FWC ! Lloyd Actually, the V8 I/O's weigh more, I believe. My F225 Yamaha weighs close to 600 pounds. What's really troubling about all these new high-tech outboards is that for anything other than routine maintenance, you need a highly skilled mechanic, and I wonder sometimes what the average dealership is doing to cope. I deal with a very large and successful dealership that has some first-class people in its shop, but it is a big-ticket, high-volume dealer. Imagine buying one of these outboards from an inland guy who only sells a dozen a year. His shop guys don't get enough practice to get up to speed. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:17:37 +0000, Harry Krause wrote:
Lloyd Sumpter wrote: On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:07:48 +0000, Lloyd Sumpter wrote: On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:44:58 +0000, FishFan wrote: "Clams Canino" wrote in message news:fbVWb.17180$_44.19735@attbi_s52... Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today. Supercharged even. http://www.mercurymarine.com/ -W Anybody look at the weight? 649 lbs for a 225!! In fact, isn't that about the weight of a 220hp I/O ? (5L V8) Lloyd (and I'm guessing it's NOT FWC ! Lloyd Actually, the V8 I/O's weigh more, I believe. My F225 Yamaha weighs close to 600 pounds. What's really troubling about all these new high-tech outboards is that for anything other than routine maintenance, you need a highly skilled mechanic, and I wonder sometimes what the average dealership is doing to cope. That's a common problem these days. Have you looked at some of the modern "sportbikes"? Have you seen anything on them that you or I would identify as an "engine"? (let alone "spark plugs", "carburetor", etc.) Same with the high-output, turbocharged, intercooled, goober-modulated diesels. My bike has an old-style V-twin engine, with plugs and carburators. My boat has a normally-aspirated diesel. My van has the Venerable 4.3L V6. I can repair them all myself, mostly without a computer. Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - engine ALMOST done! |
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Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:17:37 +0000, Harry Krause wrote: Lloyd Sumpter wrote: On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:07:48 +0000, Lloyd Sumpter wrote: On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:44:58 +0000, FishFan wrote: "Clams Canino" wrote in message news:fbVWb.17180$_44.19735@attbi_s52... Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today. Supercharged even. http://www.mercurymarine.com/ -W Anybody look at the weight? 649 lbs for a 225!! In fact, isn't that about the weight of a 220hp I/O ? (5L V8) Lloyd (and I'm guessing it's NOT FWC ! Lloyd Actually, the V8 I/O's weigh more, I believe. My F225 Yamaha weighs close to 600 pounds. What's really troubling about all these new high-tech outboards is that for anything other than routine maintenance, you need a highly skilled mechanic, and I wonder sometimes what the average dealership is doing to cope. That's a common problem these days. Have you looked at some of the modern "sportbikes"? Have you seen anything on them that you or I would identify as an "engine"? (let alone "spark plugs", "carburetor", etc.) Same with the high-output, turbocharged, intercooled, goober-modulated diesels. My bike has an old-style V-twin engine, with plugs and carburators. My boat has a normally-aspirated diesel. My van has the Venerable 4.3L V6. I can repair them all myself, mostly without a computer. Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - engine ALMOST done! Hey...I can still fix my lawnmower engine. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 08:12:10 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote: On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:17:37 +0000, Harry Krause wrote: Lloyd Sumpter wrote: On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:07:48 +0000, Lloyd Sumpter wrote: On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:44:58 +0000, FishFan wrote: "Clams Canino" wrote in message news:fbVWb.17180$_44.19735@attbi_s52... Mercury Marine unveils the new Verado today. Supercharged even. http://www.mercurymarine.com/ -W Anybody look at the weight? 649 lbs for a 225!! In fact, isn't that about the weight of a 220hp I/O ? (5L V8) Lloyd (and I'm guessing it's NOT FWC ! Lloyd Actually, the V8 I/O's weigh more, I believe. My F225 Yamaha weighs close to 600 pounds. What's really troubling about all these new high-tech outboards is that for anything other than routine maintenance, you need a highly skilled mechanic, and I wonder sometimes what the average dealership is doing to cope. That's a common problem these days. Have you looked at some of the modern "sportbikes"? Have you seen anything on them that you or I would identify as an "engine"? (let alone "spark plugs", "carburetor", etc.) Same with the high-output, turbocharged, intercooled, goober-modulated diesels. My bike has an old-style V-twin engine, with plugs and carburators. My boat has a normally-aspirated diesel. My van has the Venerable 4.3L V6. I can repair them all myself, mostly without a computer. Lloyd Sumpter "Far Cove" Catalina 36 - engine ALMOST done! You must be riding a Moto Guzzi, Lloyd. Great bikes. I've got almost 180,000 miles on just two of them. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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What's really troubling about all these new high-tech outboards is that
for anything other than routine maintenance, you need a highly skilled mechanic, and I wonder sometimes what the average dealership is doing to cope. From my experience they are not doing much. They may send someone to a seminar or something but they certainly seem baffled as soon as these things get beyond bad plugs and worn out impellers. Expect them to go through a, $500 a part, easter egg hunt and they are going to try to charge you for the misses. "Damn TWO bad parts!" I suppose, if you live in a metro area near the water they will have enough volume to sustain a well trained mechanic but here in the SW Fla area I haven't found him yet. It really behooves you to learn as much as you can about your motor. Buy a shop manual and read it. That is usually all the guy at the dealer has done and he probably doesn't read the whole chapter until after he is a couple parts into the easter egg hunt. |
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I'm afraid that's my exact take too.... sigh
"Greg" wrote in message news:20040215122919.04604.00001937@mb- From my experience they are not doing much. They may send someone to a seminar or something but they certainly seem baffled as soon as these things get beyond bad plugs and worn out impellers. Expect them to go through a, $500 a part, easter egg hunt and they are going to try to charge you for the misses. "Damn TWO bad parts!" I suppose, if you live in a metro area near the water they will have enough volume to sustain a well trained mechanic but here in the SW Fla area I haven't found him yet. It really behooves you to learn as much as you can about your motor. Buy a shop manual and read it. That is usually all the guy at the dealer has done and he probably doesn't read the whole chapter until after he is a couple parts into the easter egg hunt. |
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It really behooves you to learn as much as you can about your motor. Buy a
shop manual and read it. That is usually all the guy at the dealer has done and he probably doesn't read the whole chapter until after he is a couple parts into the easter egg hunt. Man you got that right!!! I love my old Johnson V-4. Its bad enough my car is way over my head, I dont need my boat there too. |
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CCred68046 wrote:
It really behooves you to learn as much as you can about your motor. Buy a shop manual and read it. That is usually all the guy at the dealer has done and he probably doesn't read the whole chapter until after he is a couple parts into the easter egg hunt. Man you got that right!!! I love my old Johnson V-4. Its bad enough my car is way over my head, I dont need my boat there too. I have the shop manual for my Yamaha F225. It's convinced me to keep mitts off the engine. |
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