basskisser wrote:


Prove me wrong! Provide the name of that alleged lady you spoke to at
Yamaha, U.S.A. Liar.

So if John provided the name of this lady, then he wouldn't be a liar?
And you'd be proved wrong?

uh huh. There's no way you *ever* admit being wrong about anything, b'asskisser.

Carry on.

-- Charlie

Asskisser,, are you some kind of a total moron? If I mentioned I had spoken
to a call center person or technical support staff representative. Then
mentioned the name, only for you to call a few weeks later, ask the person
to look over their notes, then reveal the names, locations, other private
information, only for you dummies to broadcast it over the world's
information networks. Duh,,, give the empty head a shake there asskisser, I
wouldn't want you to get in the middle of my warranty transactions or
negotiations. Do you know how much a simpleton like yourself could really
screw something up? And your puppet masters there also, I mean, look what
you morons did to the economy on a whole, you think I would want you dummies
to destroy on an individual level also? Come on there asskisser, you really
have no clue do you. Just a big mouth on the keyboard, but no brains to back
up that big mouth.




"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
John H wrote in message
Sorry, I guess I got you confused with basskisser.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

You are easily confused. Just like when you thought that everyone
would buy your lie about contacting Yamaha, U.S.A. Do you have the
contact's name yet? If not, why not call *her* back, and GET her name.
I really would love to talk to her.

basskisser, you lost that round so long ago.............

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Uh, how so, John? What evidence do you have that Yamaha, U.S.A., and
it's wholly owned subsidiaries are not using organized labor. If you
will call that nice lady back, that you claim to have had a
conversation with, get her name, and I'll talk to her. Then we can
settle this. Agree?

Gene ,,, duh,,,,

Here we go again,, another union dummie out of the closet. Gene, don't try
to blame the world or the corporations for the present job migration or
economic problems, the main factor is you and your dummy union members. Come
on, you think that this 500 billion trade deficit is something that will go
away? Duh,,,,
Come on, give the head a shake.




"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:19:05 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:29:08 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


Well, here's a non-rhetorical question:
How do you keep jobs from going overseas when the employee costs to
the
corporations are reduced by 90%?


That isn't the right question, that is a defeatist's question. The
proper question is, why have our elected officials stood there like
goggle-eyed tourists and watched it happen? .... and continue to do
so.


For the same reason you avoided answering my question...there's no easy,
short-term fix.


And at what point did I suggest that it was? I didn't answer your
question, as asked, because it forces the issue to *be* simplistic.
This isn't *just* about disparity in personal income or collective
bargaining.... as your sock puppet Tuuk implies... and where the
notion emerged.


If you conceive the world as one economy (which is really what this is
all about), with the poorest 3 countries with a GDP of less than $560
and the richest three countries with a GDP of over $33,000...


This is obviously not a level playing field and unless you'd like to
assume a lifestyle much closer to the $560 than the $33,000, you'd
better accept some form of "field leveling" technology, taxes,
tariffs, whatever

Let's look at your solutions:
1) "field leveling" technology--
how would that help? Then you'd have robots doing the labor instead of
$2/day Chinamen


You do, now, and in this country and abroad.

2) taxes--
on who? Corporations? Then they'd just cut even deeper into the
employee
costs


Taxing foreign corporations is fine. Actually, to tax a corporation
is merely to state that the government has selected that company as a
collector of XYZ tax. You really can't tax a corporation, but if I
could somehow "level the field" by increasing the "employee costs in
the foreign country.....

3) tariffs--

don't work. The Hawley-Smoot Tariff just managed to deepen and prolong
the
Great Depression. The recent steel tariff that Bush tried just ended up
increasing costs to the manufacturers and end-users that depended upon it


Nobody in their right mind would have thought the tariff on steel
would work. But...

Could we just try *something* workable? You don't see that America is
being harmed by trade practices that allow (for example) Harbor
Freight to sell a roughly 35# anvil for $35.00???? Disregard, if you
wish, the labor cost, the material cost, import fees (if any) and see
if you can ship that thing BACK to ROC for the $35.00 sale price. Oh,
yeah, and I suspect that Harbor Freight paid *less* than $35.00
(probably around $17-$18) for the item.... ship it back for that.




to bring the 59:1 discrepancy more in line with
something workable.

The best thing we can do is require that the governments who want to do
business with us impose similar regulations (Fair Labor Standards,
environmental controls, etc) on their manufacturing sector as we impose
on
ours.


Sounds like "field leveling" to me.


Anybody, no matter how incompetent, can run a business with these
sorts of discrepancies.... and this is borne out in the all time high
(Feb '04) trade deficit figures. With high tech jobs and industries,
now headed overseas in droves... for the same reasons..... things
aren't going to get any better just standing there watching it happen.




I agree with your assessment, above, and is what I was referring to as
"field leveling," but I'm not opposed to reasonable tariffs. I don't
think that any correlation between today and the Great Depression is
valid, nor do I think simple tariffs, on steel for example, will work.
If steel producing countries can't sell to US at a profit, then they
will sell to other countries.

Gosh, though. How does that work? We charge a tariff on steel.... so
they sell to ROC. ROC turns the steel into anvils and sells them back
to us for less than we can even ship them.... this making sense to
you??


Oh and on another matter... since I've held you in suspense long
enough, I'll put it in dentisty terms, so that you will grasp the
concept. On the matter of removing the cam and checking the valve
clearance for $1000:

This is analogous to a patient coming to you for you to measure the
distance between two of their teeth. So.... you remove one of the
teeth, measure the distance between them and then charge $1000 for
services rendered.

Now, see why you shouldn't post stuff you read at other places that
you don't really understand?

--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/
Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp Where
Southport,NC is located.
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm Real Time Pictures
at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

Harry,,,

You really are a moron,,, with no economic knowledge, or basic common sense.

You can go out on your boat all day if you want,, me to,,, the only
difference is I earned mine, honestly and feel good about it. Your earnings
came from collective bargaining, uncompetitive labor, inflation causing
factors. You may have well been on welfare you union dummies. You are
totally unproductive, totally uncompetitive, totally inefficient. Wow, the
Japanese can provide me with an auto for about 4000 dollars, and you can
provide me with the same auto for around 35000. And you want me to listen to
your Bush bashing and your comments of economics. Duh,,,,,,,




"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.c294978c5c95b422d6286c0b0a3f2527@107 7628556.nulluser.com...
John H wrote:

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:43:53 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H wrote:

On 23 Feb 2004 07:56:36 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:


Where did I say that I love unions? I simply stated that Yamaha
U.S.A.'s operations centers, distribution centers, etc. use
organized
labor. You don't have a freakin' CLUE what the thread was about.
Where did I "defend" unions?

Which was more bull****, by the way.

John H

John spent his career in the military and is used to more bull****.

And is well able to recognize that coming from Krause, Kerry, Klark,
and kisser.

By the way, Harry, you have often commented on the millions of jobs
supposedly lost due to Bush's policies. Could you please cite which
policy (or policies) of Bush were the cause of the job losses?


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!



The failure to take his recession seriously, and the continuing failures
to take actions that lead directly to employment gains. Tax cuts for the
rich aren't hacking it, unless you are into voodoo. I could provide a
long, detailed answer, but for what? You aren't worth any effort.

John H wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:15:56 -0500 (EST), "Harry Krause"
wrote:

John H wrote:

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:43:53 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H wrote:

On 23 Feb 2004 07:56:36 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:


Where did I say that I love unions? I simply stated that Yamaha
U.S.A.'s operations centers, distribution centers, etc. use
organized
labor. You don't have a freakin' CLUE what the thread was about.
Where did I "defend" unions?

Which was more bull****, by the way.

John H

John spent his career in the military and is used to more bull****.

And is well able to recognize that coming from Krause, Kerry, Klark,
and kisser.

By the way, Harry, you have often commented on the millions of jobs
supposedly lost due to Bush's policies. Could you please cite which
policy (or policies) of Bush were the cause of the job losses?


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!



The failure to take his recession seriously, and the continuing failures
to take actions that lead directly to employment gains. Tax cuts for the
rich aren't hacking it, unless you are into voodoo. I could provide a
long, detailed answer, but for what? You aren't worth any effort.


I was just looking for more bull**** to recognize, Harry. You ably
provided same. Thanks!

John H

Speaking of bull****, can you post the name of the person you
allegedly spoke with at Yamaha, USA?