"DSK" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:


Oh no. Now you've gone and done it. You've pointed out that there are
conservatives who are not necessarily Republicans. You'd better offer
NOYB a
chair and smelling salts.

NOBBY is either a knee-jerk fascist, or a far left winger pretending to be
one
(is anybody that good an actor?). Not surprising either way, his knowledge
has
some serious gaps.

In the rural South that I grew up in, there were no Republicans. Yet it
was a
very conservative and old fashioned environment. When I got a little
older, and
the South switched almost overnight, it was because of the Republicans
flaunting
an inhuman level of bigotry and racism... a policy that Bush is adept
with...
and which accounts for most of the blue collar Republicans out there IMHO.
The
Democratic Party disavowed attitudes like Lester Maddox's while the
Republicans
embraced them.

So bigotry and racism are the issues that separate the blue collar
Republicans from the blue collar Democrats? You're a piece of work.

If you take away the "race card", Democrats would lose 1/3 of their talking
points. If you take away "class warfare", they'd lose another 1/3. The
remaining 1/3 would be gone if the abortion issue didn't exist.

Don't they have any other issues to run on? I mean, seriously, think about
the issues they run on:

increased taxes for the rich
affirmative action for minorities
full marriage rights for gays
abortion on demand
filibuster judges who might overrule Roe v. Wade


Anything I left out? If so, I bet you there's a race/sex/class warfare card
played on it.

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Don't they have any other issues to run on? I mean, seriously, think
about
the issues they run on:

increased taxes for the rich
affirmative action for minorities
full marriage rights for gays
abortion on demand
filibuster judges who might overrule Roe v. Wade


Anything I left out? If so, I bet you there's a race/sex/class warfare
card
played on it.

Some of us also focus on a subject that's alien to you: The environment.
Your president is receiving failing grades in that area, except from a few
industries who've received blowjobs from curious George.

Doug Kanter's "improved" list:

increased taxes for the rich
affirmative action for minorities
full marriage rights for gays
abortion on demand
filibuster judges who might overrule Roe v. Wade
*the environment*

That's a helluva platform to run on!

"NOYB" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter's "improved" list:

increased taxes for the rich
affirmative action for minorities
full marriage rights for gays
abortion on demand
filibuster judges who might overrule Roe v. Wade
*the environment*

That's a helluva platform to run on!



Gay people have absolutely no effect on you, no matter who they marry.

Frankly, I'm not sure about affirmative action. But, people who know these
things point out that there's a cycle for poor people that's hard to break.
Go also seem to be an expert, however, so I'm interested in your thoughts on
this subject that nobody else can seem to figure out.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter's "improved" list:

increased taxes for the rich
affirmative action for minorities
full marriage rights for gays
abortion on demand
filibuster judges who might overrule Roe v. Wade
*the environment*

That's a helluva platform to run on!



Gay people have absolutely no effect on you, no matter who they marry.

Frankly, I'm not sure about affirmative action. But, people who know
these
things point out that there's a cycle for poor people that's hard to
break.
Go also seem to be an expert, however, so I'm interested in your thoughts
on
this subject that nobody else can seem to figure out.

It's not about "being an expert". It's about applying commonsense. The
color of your skin shouldn't give you extra points in the admission process
when you're applying to a College...especially if that college is
taxpayer-funded.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter's "improved" list:

increased taxes for the rich
affirmative action for minorities
full marriage rights for gays
abortion on demand
filibuster judges who might overrule Roe v. Wade
*the environment*

That's a helluva platform to run on!



Gay people have absolutely no effect on you, no matter who they marry.

Frankly, I'm not sure about affirmative action. But, people who know
these
things point out that there's a cycle for poor people that's hard to
break.
Go also seem to be an expert, however, so I'm interested in your
thoughts
on
this subject that nobody else can seem to figure out.

It's not about "being an expert". It's about applying commonsense. The
color of your skin shouldn't give you extra points in the admission
process
when you're applying to a College...especially if that college is
taxpayer-funded.

In the real world, it's been established that the 3 most important factors
in getting good grades a

1) Competent teachers.
2) Being around peers who value education
3) The big winner: Parents who are educated and pass along their
expectations to their kids. Doesn't matter if the parents are together or
divorced, as long as they are a strong presence in the lives of their
children.

There's no reason to assume that some schools have bad teachers all across
the board, but it's a safe bet that if all your students are getting lousy
grades no matter how hard you try, and you're a good teacher, you're going
to go elsewhere. Nobody likes to work hard and get no results.

Inner city kids are at a disadvantage in parts 2 & 3. The only way to stop
the cycle is to "seed" the group with people who can function as role
models. How do you do that without giving some kids a little juice? Yeah,
affirmative action has problems, but what's YOUR solution to the truths I've
given you here? Bus those awful colored kids to your school? :-)

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter's "improved" list:

increased taxes for the rich
affirmative action for minorities
full marriage rights for gays
abortion on demand
filibuster judges who might overrule Roe v. Wade
*the environment*

That's a helluva platform to run on!



Gay people have absolutely no effect on you, no matter who they
marry.

Frankly, I'm not sure about affirmative action. But, people who know
these
things point out that there's a cycle for poor people that's hard to
break.
Go also seem to be an expert, however, so I'm interested in your
thoughts
on
this subject that nobody else can seem to figure out.

It's not about "being an expert". It's about applying commonsense. The
color of your skin shouldn't give you extra points in the admission
process
when you're applying to a College...especially if that college is
taxpayer-funded.

In the real world, it's been established that the 3 most important factors
in getting good grades a

1) Competent teachers.
2) Being around peers who value education
3) The big winner: Parents who are educated and pass along their
expectations to their kids. Doesn't matter if the parents are together or
divorced, as long as they are a strong presence in the lives of their
children.

There's no reason to assume that some schools have bad teachers all across
the board, but it's a safe bet that if all your students are getting lousy
grades no matter how hard you try, and you're a good teacher, you're going
to go elsewhere. Nobody likes to work hard and get no results.

Inner city kids are at a disadvantage in parts 2 & 3. The only way to stop
the cycle is to "seed" the group with people who can function as role
models. How do you do that without giving some kids a little juice? Yeah,
affirmative action has problems, but what's YOUR solution to the truths
I've
given you here? Bus those awful colored kids to your school? :-)

That's already being done in Lee County, Florida. They call it "school
choice"...but it's really just an attempt to integrate the various
socioeconomic levels. My wife's friend lives across the street from a
school. However, her kids did not get their "first choice" in the "school
choice" program (the one across from their house)...nor did they get their
2nd, 3rd, or 4th choices. Instead, the kids were bussed to a school 15
miles away. They had 7 year old kids having to wait at 6-something in the
morning, in the dark, so they can get bussed 15 miles...right past a school
that they *should* be going to in the first place. Now, the mom and dad are
paying to send 'em to private school.

There's a theory in education today where it's believed that if you surround
a "bad" kid with enough "good" kids, the good kids' behavior will rub off on
the "bad" kid. Unfortunately, the school administrators ought to listen to
their great, great, great grandparents for ideas..."a bad apple spoils the
bunch".

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:20:38 +0000, NOYB wrote:


It's not about "being an expert". It's about applying commonsense. The
color of your skin shouldn't give you extra points in the admission process
when you're applying to a College...especially if that college is
taxpayer-funded.

Where were you when the color of your skin kept you out of that college?
It wasn't that long ago. Civil rights have come a long way recently, and
Affirmative Action was just one of the tools used. Perhaps it's
usefulness is now declining, but it was a *small* price to pay to right a
*grievous* wrong.

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:20:38 +0000, NOYB wrote:


It's not about "being an expert". It's about applying commonsense. The
color of your skin shouldn't give you extra points in the admission
process
when you're applying to a College...especially if that college is
taxpayer-funded.

Where were you when the color of your skin kept you out of that college?


The college I am referring to is Michigan. I dunno that the color of ones
skin *ever* kept people out of that college.

It wasn't that long ago. Civil rights have come a long way recently, and
Affirmative Action was just one of the tools used. Perhaps it's
usefulness is now declining,

I agree...much like unions.


but it was a *small* price to pay to right a
*grievous* wrong.

So you punish some innocent white kid because some ignorant, fat white guy
oppressed a bunch of black people 45 years ago?

"thunder" wrote in message
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Affirmative Action was just one of the tools used. Perhaps it's
usefulness is now declining, but it was a *small* price to pay to right a
*grievous* wrong.


So instead, we have another "grievous" wrong...used to try to correct a
prior "grievous" wrong.

When Mrs. Wong comes out of the maternity ward carrying a white baby, Mr.
Wong get's very mad. Guess what he says?

(read below)













"Two Wongs don't make a white"