I'm going to try to give up using "live" bait or fish chunks (bait that
was once live) and concentrate on using hard lures and plastics. I
started thinking about doing this last season, and started making the
transition towards the end of the year, going back to the lead-headed
jigs with plastic shrimp, and some of the other larger plastics that
served me so well in NE Florida. Last season, from August on, I
experimented in the Bay with the usual dead fish bait one buys at the
bait stores and with plastics, and the fish-caught count was about even
most days.

I might still use chum bags as an attractant, though. Yes, chum is
formerly live bait. But, then, the life of a fisherman isn't binary.


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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
I'm going to try to give up using "live" bait or fish chunks (bait that
was once live) and concentrate on using hard lures and plastics. I
started thinking about doing this last season, and started making the
transition towards the end of the year, going back to the lead-headed
jigs with plastic shrimp, and some of the other larger plastics that
served me so well in NE Florida. Last season, from August on, I
experimented in the Bay with the usual dead fish bait one buys at the
bait stores and with plastics, and the fish-caught count was about even
most days.

I might still use chum bags as an attractant, though. Yes, chum is
formerly live bait. But, then, the life of a fisherman isn't binary.

Harry,

I switched to flyfishing several year ago and have never looked back. I have
know idea if it is practical in the area that you live, but wading up a
steam with a fly rod is about as good as it gets.

Mark Browne

Mark Browne wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
I'm going to try to give up using "live" bait or fish chunks (bait that
was once live) and concentrate on using hard lures and plastics. I
started thinking about doing this last season, and started making the
transition towards the end of the year, going back to the lead-headed
jigs with plastic shrimp, and some of the other larger plastics that
served me so well in NE Florida. Last season, from August on, I
experimented in the Bay with the usual dead fish bait one buys at the
bait stores and with plastics, and the fish-caught count was about even
most days.

I might still use chum bags as an attractant, though. Yes, chum is
formerly live bait. But, then, the life of a fisherman isn't binary.

Harry,

I switched to flyfishing several year ago and have never looked back. I have
know idea if it is practical in the area that you live, but wading up a
steam with a fly rod is about as good as it gets.

Mark Browne



I do some fly fishing, mostly in rivers and lakes, but once in a while
in the shallows of Chesapeake Bay. That's what got me thinking that I
needed to move away from live bait altogether.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Mark Browne wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
I'm going to try to give up using "live" bait or fish chunks (bait that
was once live) and concentrate on using hard lures and plastics. I
started thinking about doing this last season, and started making the
transition towards the end of the year, going back to the lead-headed
jigs with plastic shrimp, and some of the other larger plastics that
served me so well in NE Florida. Last season, from August on, I
experimented in the Bay with the usual dead fish bait one buys at the
bait stores and with plastics, and the fish-caught count was about even
most days.

I might still use chum bags as an attractant, though. Yes, chum is
formerly live bait. But, then, the life of a fisherman isn't binary.

Harry,

I switched to flyfishing several year ago and have never looked back. I
have
know idea if it is practical in the area that you live, but wading up a
steam with a fly rod is about as good as it gets.

Mark Browne



I do some fly fishing, mostly in rivers and lakes, but once in a while
in the shallows of Chesapeake Bay. That's what got me thinking that I
needed to move away from live bait altogether.

Hey guys,

The last time I visited the NASA center on the cape in Florida I stopped by
a park on the water. It looks like the water stays shallow for a long ways
out; I saw a few fish from the shore. Us Minnesota boys don't know what to
make of this type of water!

I was thinking of bringing a folding fly rod on my next visit.

Do you go out in this with waders? Rubber sandals? Barefoot?
Are 'gaters any risk to fishermen on foot?
Does fly fishing work well here?
What is the preferred rig for working this water.
Lastly, is there a web link to Florida fishing laws for us out-of-towers?

Mark Browne

Mark Browne wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Mark Browne wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
I'm going to try to give up using "live" bait or fish chunks (bait that
was once live) and concentrate on using hard lures and plastics. I
started thinking about doing this last season, and started making the
transition towards the end of the year, going back to the lead-headed
jigs with plastic shrimp, and some of the other larger plastics that
served me so well in NE Florida. Last season, from August on, I
experimented in the Bay with the usual dead fish bait one buys at the
bait stores and with plastics, and the fish-caught count was about even
most days.

I might still use chum bags as an attractant, though. Yes, chum is
formerly live bait. But, then, the life of a fisherman isn't binary.

Harry,

I switched to flyfishing several year ago and have never looked back. I
have
know idea if it is practical in the area that you live, but wading up a
steam with a fly rod is about as good as it gets.

Mark Browne



I do some fly fishing, mostly in rivers and lakes, but once in a while
in the shallows of Chesapeake Bay. That's what got me thinking that I
needed to move away from live bait altogether.

Hey guys,

The last time I visited the NASA center on the cape in Florida I stopped by
a park on the water. It looks like the water stays shallow for a long ways
out; I saw a few fish from the shore. Us Minnesota boys don't know what to
make of this type of water!

I was thinking of bringing a folding fly rod on my next visit.

Do you go out in this with waders? Rubber sandals? Barefoot?
Are 'gaters any risk to fishermen on foot?
Does fly fishing work well here?
What is the preferred rig for working this water.
Lastly, is there a web link to Florida fishing laws for us out-of-towers?

Mark Browne



If it was a salt water shallows, you might well find redfish, seatrout
and flounder in it. Any flies you have that look like salt water shrimp
or baitfish might work. Almost any local tackle shop could fix you up
with an appropriate fly.

I usually use waterproof sandals when fishing the flats, just to keep my
feet safe from cuts caused by oyster shells and the like, and the
occasional broken bit of glass.

Gators can be aggressive and a problem. There's plenty of info available
about fishing Florida's inshore waters. If you really want to get into
it, get yourself a subscription to Florida Sportsman magazine...and
visit the pub's website, too.

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Gators? Crocodiles are a possibility but very rare. A shark or stray jellyfish
would be his only worry in the surf.

Dan


Harry Krause wrote:

Mark Browne wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Mark Browne wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

I'm going to try to give up using "live" bait or fish chunks (bait that
was once live) and concentrate on using hard lures and plastics. I
started thinking about doing this last season, and started making the
transition towards the end of the year, going back to the lead-headed
jigs with plastic shrimp, and some of the other larger plastics that
served me so well in NE Florida. Last season, from August on, I
experimented in the Bay with the usual dead fish bait one buys at the
bait stores and with plastics, and the fish-caught count was about even
most days.

I might still use chum bags as an attractant, though. Yes, chum is
formerly live bait. But, then, the life of a fisherman isn't binary.


Harry,

I switched to flyfishing several year ago and have never looked back. I

have

know idea if it is practical in the area that you live, but wading up a
steam with a fly rod is about as good as it gets.

Mark Browne



I do some fly fishing, mostly in rivers and lakes, but once in a while
in the shallows of Chesapeake Bay. That's what got me thinking that I
needed to move away from live bait altogether.


Hey guys,

The last time I visited the NASA center on the cape in Florida I stopped by
a park on the water. It looks like the water stays shallow for a long ways
out; I saw a few fish from the shore. Us Minnesota boys don't know what to
make of this type of water!

I was thinking of bringing a folding fly rod on my next visit.

Do you go out in this with waders? Rubber sandals? Barefoot?
Are 'gaters any risk to fishermen on foot?
Does fly fishing work well here?
What is the preferred rig for working this water.
Lastly, is there a web link to Florida fishing laws for us out-of-towers?

Mark Browne




If it was a salt water shallows, you might well find redfish, seatrout
and flounder in it. Any flies you have that look like salt water shrimp
or baitfish might work. Almost any local tackle shop could fix you up
with an appropriate fly.

I usually use waterproof sandals when fishing the flats, just to keep my
feet safe from cuts caused by oyster shells and the like, and the
occasional broken bit of glass.

Gators can be aggressive and a problem. There's plenty of info available
about fishing Florida's inshore waters. If you really want to get into
it, get yourself a subscription to Florida Sportsman magazine...and
visit the pub's website, too.

"Mark Browne" wrote in message
news:A0ZSb.68887$U%5.387352@attbi_s03...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Mark Browne wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
I'm going to try to give up using "live" bait or fish chunks (bait
that
was once live) and concentrate on using hard lures and plastics. I
started thinking about doing this last season, and started making the
transition towards the end of the year, going back to the lead-headed
jigs with plastic shrimp, and some of the other larger plastics that
served me so well in NE Florida. Last season, from August on, I
experimented in the Bay with the usual dead fish bait one buys at the
bait stores and with plastics, and the fish-caught count was about
even
most days.

I might still use chum bags as an attractant, though. Yes, chum is
formerly live bait. But, then, the life of a fisherman isn't binary.

Harry,

I switched to flyfishing several year ago and have never looked back.
I
have
know idea if it is practical in the area that you live, but wading up
a
steam with a fly rod is about as good as it gets.

Mark Browne



I do some fly fishing, mostly in rivers and lakes, but once in a while
in the shallows of Chesapeake Bay. That's what got me thinking that I
needed to move away from live bait altogether.

Hey guys,

The last time I visited the NASA center on the cape in Florida I stopped
by
a park on the water. It looks like the water stays shallow for a long ways
out; I saw a few fish from the shore. Us Minnesota boys don't know what to
make of this type of water!

I was thinking of bringing a folding fly rod on my next visit.

Do you go out in this with waders? Rubber sandals? Barefoot?
Are 'gaters any risk to fishermen on foot?
Does fly fishing work well here?
What is the preferred rig for working this water.
Lastly, is there a web link to Florida fishing laws for us out-of-towers?

Mark Browne



You will need at least an 8 wt for the salt. Throw Clousers, or a crab fly
in the shallows. Out here in the west, we fish for Rockcod with shooting
heads in up to 15-30' water and for stripers inland with the Clousers and
some poppers. Try www.danblanton.com he has one of the best websites
dedicated to fly fishing, and he has done florida and other salt. Chum up
Blue sharks and sight cast big cheap flys. Just cut off the fly when you
have him to the boat.
Bill

On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 02:35:18 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

You will need at least an 8 wt for the salt. Throw Clousers, or a crab fly
in the shallows. Out here in the west, we fish for Rockcod with shooting
heads in up to 15-30' water and for stripers inland with the Clousers and
some poppers. Try www.danblanton.com he has one of the best websites
dedicated to fly fishing, and he has done florida and other salt. Chum up
Blue sharks and sight cast big cheap flys. Just cut off the fly when you
have him to the boat.

What do you use for leader material? I like to use a light SS leader
- usually 20 lb test and 18 to 24 inches long depending on whether
there are toothy critters in the area.

In the Bay, heavy leaders and BIG streamers seem to work real well.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
The years will bring their Anodyne,
But I shall never quite forget,
The fish that I had counted mine
And lost before they reached the net.

Colin Ellis, "The Devot Angler" quoted
in A. R. Macdougall, Jr's "The Trout
Fisherman's Bedside Book" (1963)

Harry Krause wrote:

I'm going to try to give up using "live" bait or fish chunks (bait that
was once live) and concentrate on using hard lures and plastics. I
started thinking about doing this last season, and started making the
transition towards the end of the year, going back to the lead-headed
jigs with plastic shrimp, and some of the other larger plastics that
served me so well in NE Florida. Last season, from August on, I
experimented in the Bay with the usual dead fish bait one buys at the
bait stores and with plastics, and the fish-caught count was about even
most days.

I might still use chum bags as an attractant, though. Yes, chum is
formerly live bait. But, then, the life of a fisherman isn't binary.


Why? Is the "live" bait or fish chunks caught by non-union fisherman?
Make sure those jigs are union made.

-- Charlie


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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:51:02 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I'm going to try to give up using "live" bait or fish chunks (bait that
was once live) and concentrate on using hard lures and plastics. I
started thinking about doing this last season, and started making the
transition towards the end of the year, going back to the lead-headed
jigs with plastic shrimp, and some of the other larger plastics that
served me so well in NE Florida. Last season, from August on, I
experimented in the Bay with the usual dead fish bait one buys at the
bait stores and with plastics, and the fish-caught count was about even
most days.

I might still use chum bags as an attractant, though. Yes, chum is
formerly live bait. But, then, the life of a fisherman isn't binary.

Interesting.

Around Narragansett and environs, you might say it's about 60/40 live
to artificial. If you want the monster stripers, live is the only way
to go, but last year, I hit a 40 inch striper on a salmon streamer
fished off the bottom as a teaser about three feet up from a 24 inch
tube. My biggest on live eel was 30 inches and a rather light fish at
that.

I use artificials almost exclusively for most of the stuff I fish for
with the exception of offshore which is a different game.

All my salt water fly rodding is with heavy lures/lines and lot's
patience looking for swirls and surface activity.

I don't chum unless I'm sharking and that's not often - I think the
shark fishery is in danger of becoming over fished, if it isn't
already, from the constant barrage of "tournaments" from every bait
shop and marina along Long Island and New Jersey. I do chum when
catfising on the Connecticut River and have caught a couple of cats in
the 20 pound category doing that.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
The years will bring their Anodyne,
But I shall never quite forget,
The fish that I had counted mine
And lost before they reached the net.

Colin Ellis, "The Devot Angler" quoted
in A. R. Macdougall, Jr's "The Trout
Fisherman's Bedside Book" (1963)