On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:51:02 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I'm going to try to give up using "live" bait or fish chunks (bait that
was once live) and concentrate on using hard lures and plastics. I
started thinking about doing this last season, and started making the
transition towards the end of the year, going back to the lead-headed
jigs with plastic shrimp, and some of the other larger plastics that
served me so well in NE Florida. Last season, from August on, I
experimented in the Bay with the usual dead fish bait one buys at the
bait stores and with plastics, and the fish-caught count was about even
most days.

I might still use chum bags as an attractant, though. Yes, chum is
formerly live bait. But, then, the life of a fisherman isn't binary.

Interesting.

Around Narragansett and environs, you might say it's about 60/40 live
to artificial. If you want the monster stripers, live is the only way
to go, but last year, I hit a 40 inch striper on a salmon streamer
fished off the bottom as a teaser about three feet up from a 24 inch
tube. My biggest on live eel was 30 inches and a rather light fish at
that.

I use artificials almost exclusively for most of the stuff I fish for
with the exception of offshore which is a different game.

All my salt water fly rodding is with heavy lures/lines and lot's
patience looking for swirls and surface activity.

I don't chum unless I'm sharking and that's not often - I think the
shark fishery is in danger of becoming over fished, if it isn't
already, from the constant barrage of "tournaments" from every bait
shop and marina along Long Island and New Jersey. I do chum when
catfising on the Connecticut River and have caught a couple of cats in
the 20 pound category doing that.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
The years will bring their Anodyne,
But I shall never quite forget,
The fish that I had counted mine
And lost before they reached the net.

Colin Ellis, "The Devot Angler" quoted
in A. R. Macdougall, Jr's "The Trout
Fisherman's Bedside Book" (1963)

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:51:02 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I'm going to try to give up using "live" bait or fish chunks (bait that
was once live) and concentrate on using hard lures and plastics. I
started thinking about doing this last season, and started making the
transition towards the end of the year, going back to the lead-headed
jigs with plastic shrimp, and some of the other larger plastics that
served me so well in NE Florida. Last season, from August on, I
experimented in the Bay with the usual dead fish bait one buys at the
bait stores and with plastics, and the fish-caught count was about even
most days.

I might still use chum bags as an attractant, though. Yes, chum is
formerly live bait. But, then, the life of a fisherman isn't binary.

Interesting.

Around Narragansett and environs, you might say it's about 60/40 live
to artificial. If you want the monster stripers, live is the only way
to go, but last year, I hit a 40 inch striper on a salmon streamer
fished off the bottom as a teaser about three feet up from a 24 inch
tube. My biggest on live eel was 30 inches and a rather light fish at
that.

An awful lot of huge stripers here are caught off umbrella rigs with an
array of artificial lures. I've caught my biggest stripers here trolling
a big Mann's artificial plug.



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I use artificial almost exclusively now, but that's more out of laziness
than any proven fact. The really big "specks" are still being taken on
small live croaker but it's just cheap and easy to walk out on the pier and
fling plastic. Our fishing on Galveston has improved so much that for me,
it's just too easy to catch "pretty" nice fish rather than spend the effort
to chase after the big ones with live bait. I guess I'm getting complacent
in my old age but hell, I'd rather catch 22" reds than 30" reds anytime,
simply because they're better to eat. It's a kick to fight a big one now
and then tho'.
Quinton

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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:01:50 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:51:02 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I'm going to try to give up using "live" bait or fish chunks (bait that
was once live) and concentrate on using hard lures and plastics. I
started thinking about doing this last season, and started making the
transition towards the end of the year, going back to the lead-headed
jigs with plastic shrimp, and some of the other larger plastics that
served me so well in NE Florida. Last season, from August on, I
experimented in the Bay with the usual dead fish bait one buys at the
bait stores and with plastics, and the fish-caught count was about even
most days.

I might still use chum bags as an attractant, though. Yes, chum is
formerly live bait. But, then, the life of a fisherman isn't binary.

Interesting.

Around Narragansett and environs, you might say it's about 60/40 live
to artificial. If you want the monster stripers, live is the only way
to go, but last year, I hit a 40 inch striper on a salmon streamer
fished off the bottom as a teaser about three feet up from a 24 inch
tube. My biggest on live eel was 30 inches and a rather light fish at
that.

An awful lot of huge stripers here are caught off umbrella rigs with an
array of artificial lures. I've caught my biggest stripers here trolling
a big Mann's artificial plug.

Actually, there seems to be a trend on the TV "fishing shows" to use
more artificial bait. IF the goal is to catch fish and they'll bite
on surgical hose.... go for it...
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:01:50 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:51:02 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I'm going to try to give up using "live" bait or fish chunks (bait that
was once live) and concentrate on using hard lures and plastics. I
started thinking about doing this last season, and started making the
transition towards the end of the year, going back to the lead-headed
jigs with plastic shrimp, and some of the other larger plastics that
served me so well in NE Florida. Last season, from August on, I
experimented in the Bay with the usual dead fish bait one buys at the
bait stores and with plastics, and the fish-caught count was about even
most days.

I might still use chum bags as an attractant, though. Yes, chum is
formerly live bait. But, then, the life of a fisherman isn't binary.

Interesting.

Around Narragansett and environs, you might say it's about 60/40 live
to artificial. If you want the monster stripers, live is the only way
to go, but last year, I hit a 40 inch striper on a salmon streamer
fished off the bottom as a teaser about three feet up from a 24 inch
tube. My biggest on live eel was 30 inches and a rather light fish at
that.

An awful lot of huge stripers here are caught off umbrella rigs with an
array of artificial lures. I've caught my biggest stripers here trolling
a big Mann's artificial plug.

One of those Mann's "Monster Magnum" plugs? :) I have a 30+ that I
fish off of a wire rig which has been productive along the SW Ledge
off Block Is. and the NW corner of Cox's Ledge where all the barge
wrecks are. I've found that a low, slow approach on one of the braids
works pretty good out there. Inshore, the 20 and 25 I have keep
hanging up.

Ah yes, umbrella rigs. I have a few, but I don't seem to have much
success with them unless I'm fishing shorelines in about 20/30 feet of
water. I also notice that bright green seems to produce better than
any other color. I do use them when I'm trying to cover a lot of
space in the water column and I can put them on outriggers. The one
interesting thing I have noticed about umbrella rigs is using a good
sized ball bearing swivel seems to help catch stripers. Doing some
experiments, it would appear that the swivel allows the rig to move
around like a small bait ball. Kind of counter intuitive, but that's
the way it is.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
The years will bring their Anodyne,
But I shall never quite forget,
The fish that I had counted mine
And lost before they reached the net.

Colin Ellis, "The Devot Angler" quoted
in A. R. Macdougall, Jr's "The Trout
Fisherman's Bedside Book" (1963)

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:09:42 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:01:50 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:51:02 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I'm going to try to give up using "live" bait or fish chunks (bait that
was once live) and concentrate on using hard lures and plastics. I
started thinking about doing this last season, and started making the
transition towards the end of the year, going back to the lead-headed
jigs with plastic shrimp, and some of the other larger plastics that
served me so well in NE Florida. Last season, from August on, I
experimented in the Bay with the usual dead fish bait one buys at the
bait stores and with plastics, and the fish-caught count was about even
most days.

I might still use chum bags as an attractant, though. Yes, chum is
formerly live bait. But, then, the life of a fisherman isn't binary.

Interesting.

Around Narragansett and environs, you might say it's about 60/40 live
to artificial. If you want the monster stripers, live is the only way
to go, but last year, I hit a 40 inch striper on a salmon streamer
fished off the bottom as a teaser about three feet up from a 24 inch
tube. My biggest on live eel was 30 inches and a rather light fish at
that.

An awful lot of huge stripers here are caught off umbrella rigs with an
array of artificial lures. I've caught my biggest stripers here trolling
a big Mann's artificial plug.

Actually, there seems to be a trend on the TV "fishing shows" to use
more artificial bait. IF the goal is to catch fish and they'll bite
on surgical hose.... go for it...

We have a local show up in this area called Northeast Angler and you
can't buy those guys artificial baits - it's live bunker or eels and
that's it. Offshore, butterfish and chum for tuna, but I like to
troll. In fact, I'll run a mile or so behind something like a big
Hatteras or Cabo when running lures for bluefin - the sound of the big
engines seems to bring the big fish up and I can latch on to some of
the stragglers using bubblers and squid imitations. Heh, heh, heh...
:)

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
The years will bring their Anodyne,
But I shall never quite forget,
The fish that I had counted mine
And lost before they reached the net.

Colin Ellis, "The Devot Angler" quoted
in A. R. Macdougall, Jr's "The Trout
Fisherman's Bedside Book" (1963)

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:14:22 -0800, "QLW" wrote:

I use artificial almost exclusively now, but that's more out of laziness
than any proven fact. The really big "specks" are still being taken on
small live croaker but it's just cheap and easy to walk out on the pier and
fling plastic. Our fishing on Galveston has improved so much that for me,
it's just too easy to catch "pretty" nice fish rather than spend the effort
to chase after the big ones with live bait. I guess I'm getting complacent
in my old age but hell, I'd rather catch 22" reds than 30" reds anytime,
simply because they're better to eat. It's a kick to fight a big one now
and then tho'.

Oh man, now you done gone and done it. :)

When I lived in New Orleans, I used to go down to Venice and fish for
specks and redfish. Caught some nice fish down there. The first
"big" boat I ever bought was from a Whaler dealer in Metarie, LA - a
20 foot Outrage. Used to fish a lot for specks out along the
shorelien of Lake Ponchatrain by the Coast Guard station in New
Orleans.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
The years will bring their Anodyne,
But I shall never quite forget,
The fish that I had counted mine
And lost before they reached the net.

Colin Ellis, "The Devot Angler" quoted
in A. R. Macdougall, Jr's "The Trout
Fisherman's Bedside Book" (1963)

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:31:25 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:51:02 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I'm going to try to give up using "live" bait or fish chunks (bait that
was once live) and concentrate on using hard lures and plastics. I
started thinking about doing this last season, and started making the
transition towards the end of the year, going back to the lead-headed
jigs with plastic shrimp, and some of the other larger plastics that
served me so well in NE Florida. Last season, from August on, I
experimented in the Bay with the usual dead fish bait one buys at the
bait stores and with plastics, and the fish-caught count was about even
most days.

I might still use chum bags as an attractant, though. Yes, chum is
formerly live bait. But, then, the life of a fisherman isn't binary.

Somehow, I'm afraid if I quit using "live" bait I'd adversely affect
the ecology of Long Bay. You see, the fish have become so accustomed
to me feeding them, to stop now would surely have a negative effect on
their diet.

LOL!!!

I can introduce you to a few folks who feel the same way.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
The years will bring their Anodyne,
But I shall never quite forget,
The fish that I had counted mine
And lost before they reached the net.

Colin Ellis, "The Devot Angler" quoted
in A. R. Macdougall, Jr's "The Trout
Fisherman's Bedside Book" (1963)

On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 02:35:18 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

You will need at least an 8 wt for the salt. Throw Clousers, or a crab fly
in the shallows. Out here in the west, we fish for Rockcod with shooting
heads in up to 15-30' water and for stripers inland with the Clousers and
some poppers. Try www.danblanton.com he has one of the best websites
dedicated to fly fishing, and he has done florida and other salt. Chum up
Blue sharks and sight cast big cheap flys. Just cut off the fly when you
have him to the boat.

What do you use for leader material? I like to use a light SS leader
- usually 20 lb test and 18 to 24 inches long depending on whether
there are toothy critters in the area.

In the Bay, heavy leaders and BIG streamers seem to work real well.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
The years will bring their Anodyne,
But I shall never quite forget,
The fish that I had counted mine
And lost before they reached the net.

Colin Ellis, "The Devot Angler" quoted
in A. R. Macdougall, Jr's "The Trout
Fisherman's Bedside Book" (1963)

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:01:50 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:51:02 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I'm going to try to give up using "live" bait or fish chunks (bait that
was once live) and concentrate on using hard lures and plastics. I
started thinking about doing this last season, and started making the
transition towards the end of the year, going back to the lead-headed
jigs with plastic shrimp, and some of the other larger plastics that
served me so well in NE Florida. Last season, from August on, I
experimented in the Bay with the usual dead fish bait one buys at the
bait stores and with plastics, and the fish-caught count was about even
most days.

I might still use chum bags as an attractant, though. Yes, chum is
formerly live bait. But, then, the life of a fisherman isn't binary.

Interesting.

Around Narragansett and environs, you might say it's about 60/40 live
to artificial. If you want the monster stripers, live is the only way
to go, but last year, I hit a 40 inch striper on a salmon streamer
fished off the bottom as a teaser about three feet up from a 24 inch
tube. My biggest on live eel was 30 inches and a rather light fish at
that.

An awful lot of huge stripers here are caught off umbrella rigs with an
array of artificial lures. I've caught my biggest stripers here trolling
a big Mann's artificial plug.

One of those Mann's "Monster Magnum" plugs? :) I have a 30+ that I
fish off of a wire rig which has been productive along the SW Ledge
off Block Is. and the NW corner of Cox's Ledge where all the barge
wrecks are. I've found that a low, slow approach on one of the braids
works pretty good out there. Inshore, the 20 and 25 I have keep
hanging up.

Ah yes, umbrella rigs. I have a few, but I don't seem to have much
success with them unless I'm fishing shorelines in about 20/30 feet of
water. I also notice that bright green seems to produce better than
any other color. I do use them when I'm trying to cover a lot of
space in the water column and I can put them on outriggers. The one
interesting thing I have noticed about umbrella rigs is using a good
sized ball bearing swivel seems to help catch stripers. Doing some
experiments, it would appear that the swivel allows the rig to move
around like a small bait ball. Kind of counter intuitive, but that's
the way it is.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
The years will bring their Anodyne,
But I shall never quite forget,
The fish that I had counted mine
And lost before they reached the net.

Colin Ellis, "The Devot Angler" quoted
in A. R. Macdougall, Jr's "The Trout
Fisherman's Bedside Book" (1963)


I think the one I use is a Stretch 25 or Stretch 25+. I've had it a
while and it works. I don't much like umbrella rigs, but they are very
popular here on Chesapeake Bay. I use one from time to tim, though.

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