Paul informs Scott:
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It doesn't have to make sense to you, but it is true.
=============

That, Paul, is one of the difficulties with Scott. He's a curious
enough fellow, but I have a sense he's never travelled much out of CO,
because he "wants" to see everything through the prism of the CO
constitution. Essentially, he'll answer most descriptions of how things
are elsewhere with: "ya but, I think that's more likely to be [insert
Scott's fantasy du jour], based on the way judges have ruled here in
CO."

We can assure him about how things work in Canada based on daily
experiences, but it it doesn't correspond to his fantasy, he'll insist
we're wrong.

Oh well!

frtzw906

A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote:

Paul informs Scott:
=============
It doesn't have to make sense to you, but it is true.
=============

That, Paul, is one of the difficulties with Scott. He's a curious
enough fellow, but I have a sense he's never travelled much out of CO,

You'd be wrong. It's just that I haven't seen a system which works better
than what we have in the US (including Colorado) anywhere in the world, and
I've seen many that are much, much worse, including, notably, every
socialist state on earth.

because he "wants" to see everything through the prism of the CO
constitution. Essentially, he'll answer most descriptions of how things
are elsewhere with: "ya but, I think that's more likely to be [insert
Scott's fantasy du jour], based on the way judges have ruled here in
CO."

Hey, we've got a great system here, why shouldn't I use it as a touchstone?
Besides, when discussing legal issues related to Colorado law, I of course
use Colorado law as the determinative element. Why wouldn't I?

We can assure him about how things work in Canada based on daily
experiences, but it it doesn't correspond to his fantasy, he'll insist
we're wrong.

Well, you can be factually correct and still be wrong. Socialism is wrong,
period. It's inexcusable, evil and always ends up in tyranny and oppression.


--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

Scott claims:
============
It's just that I haven't seen a system which works better
than what we have in the US (including Colorado) anywhere in the world,
and
I've seen many that are much, much worse, including, notably, every
socialist state on earth.
============

WOW! You've "seen" every socialist state on earth?!

Scott boasts:
===========
Hey, we've got a great system here, why shouldn't I use it as a
touchstone?
===============

One those issues on which we agree --sort of. You have a pretty good
system and it makes for a good touchstone. But, there's also plenty
wrong with it and, guess what, occasionally other nations have figured
out how to do things better.


frtzw906

A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote:

Scott claims:
============
It's just that I haven't seen a system which works better
than what we have in the US (including Colorado) anywhere in the world,
and
I've seen many that are much, much worse, including, notably, every
socialist state on earth.
============

WOW! You've "seen" every socialist state on earth?!

Don't pettifog.


Scott boasts:
===========
Hey, we've got a great system here, why shouldn't I use it as a
touchstone?
===============

One those issues on which we agree --sort of. You have a pretty good
system and it makes for a good touchstone. But, there's also plenty
wrong with it and, guess what, occasionally other nations have figured
out how to do things better.

Really? Name one.

--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

Scott Weiser wrote:
A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote:


Scott claims:
============
It's just that I haven't seen a system which works better
than what we have in the US (including Colorado) anywhere in the world,
and
I've seen many that are much, much worse, including, notably, every
socialist state on earth.
============

WOW! You've "seen" every socialist state on earth?!


Don't pettifog.


Scott boasts:
===========
Hey, we've got a great system here, why shouldn't I use it as a
touchstone?
===============

One those issues on which we agree --sort of. You have a pretty good
system and it makes for a good touchstone. But, there's also plenty
wrong with it and, guess what, occasionally other nations have figured
out how to do things better.


Really? Name one.


We've been down this road before, so I won't spend too long on it, but
so far as "elections" are concerned, Canada, for example does a better
job -- no hanging chads, etc. AS far as "system" of government
(bicameral, judiciary, etc), Germany is a nation that has taken the
American model and improved on it. Any number of nations do a better job
of educating their children... Need I go on?

frtzw906

A Usenet persona calling itself frtzw906 wrote:

Scott Weiser wrote:
A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote:


Scott claims:
============
It's just that I haven't seen a system which works better
than what we have in the US (including Colorado) anywhere in the world,
and
I've seen many that are much, much worse, including, notably, every
socialist state on earth.
============

WOW! You've "seen" every socialist state on earth?!


Don't pettifog.


Scott boasts:
===========
Hey, we've got a great system here, why shouldn't I use it as a
touchstone?
===============

One those issues on which we agree --sort of. You have a pretty good
system and it makes for a good touchstone. But, there's also plenty
wrong with it and, guess what, occasionally other nations have figured
out how to do things better.


Really? Name one.


We've been down this road before, so I won't spend too long on it, but
so far as "elections" are concerned, Canada, for example does a better
job -- no hanging chads,

"Hanging chads" are not a problem except as a vehicle for Democrats to try
to steal an election. If you're too stupid to punch a hole in a piece of
paper, you don't deserve to vote.

etc.

What do you mean by "etc.?"

AS far as "system" of government
(bicameral, judiciary, etc), Germany is a nation that has taken the
American model and improved on it.

No it hasn't. It may look that way, but it's not. Can you guess why?

Any number of nations do a better job
of educating their children... Need I go on?

Yes. Japan comes to mind as a nation you might deem to be superior. Of
course, lots more students in Japan commit suicide because of the intense
pressure of the schools, and many students fail completely because of the
excessively high standards for higher education, which is severely rationed
and doled out only to the best of the best, which means that the failures
end up digging ditches because they cannot get a college education...perhaps
because they choked on a single test in high school.

I debate whether they are doing a "better job" of educating their children
when a far higher proportion of them end up dead from the stress, and an
even larger proportion end up excluded from higher education entirely.

It all depends on how you view the overall situation.
--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

Any number of nations do a better job
of educating their children... Need I go on?


Yes. Japan comes to mind as a nation you might deem to be superior. Of
course, lots more students in Japan commit suicide because of the intense
pressure of the schools, and many students fail completely because of the
excessively high standards for higher education, which is severely rationed
and doled out only to the best of the best, which means that the failures
end up digging ditches because they cannot get a college education...perhaps
because they choked on a single test in high school.

I debate whether they are doing a "better job" of educating their children
when a far higher proportion of them end up dead from the stress, and an
even larger proportion end up excluded from higher education entirely.

It all depends on how you view the overall situation.

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OK, let's look at the Westernworld: Finland. Canada.
============

frtzw906