On 26-Mar-2005, "rick" wrote:

They do get
to step out of line and go to private surgical clinics instead o
waiting like the rest o the minions...

This is bull**** as well. There are a lot of folks that can go to
private clinics and avoid lines. The health care ministers
pretend that this doesn't happen.

Mike

"Michael Daly" wrote in message
...

On 26-Mar-2005, "rick" wrote:

They do get
to step out of line and go to private surgical clinics instead
o
waiting like the rest o the minions...

This is bull**** as well. There are a lot of folks that can go
to
private clinics and avoid lines. The health care ministers
pretend that this doesn't happen.
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LOL Thanks for admitting I'm right. There is a dual system
already in place in Canada. The prefered get to have their
treatment first, regardless of how many more serious cases may be
in front of them. Maybe the ministers pretend it doesn't happen
because they also take advantage of the system.



Mike

LOL Thanks for admitting I'm right. There is a dual system
already in place in Canada. The prefered get to have their
treatment first, regardless of how many more serious cases may be
in front of them. Maybe the ministers pretend it doesn't happen
because they also take advantage of the system.

As one who lives in Ottawa I can assure you that Minsters and their staff
are among the preferred. Queue jumping among those in control occurs in
every socialist system. It only works according to the theory for the
little people who pay the cost.

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in article et, rick at
wrote on 3/27/05 5:14 PM:


"Michael Daly" wrote in message
...

On 26-Mar-2005, "rick" wrote:

They do get
to step out of line and go to private surgical clinics instead
o
waiting like the rest o the minions...

This is bull**** as well. There are a lot of folks that can go
to
private clinics and avoid lines. The health care ministers
pretend that this doesn't happen.
==================
LOL Thanks for admitting I'm right. There is a dual system
already in place in Canada. The prefered get to have their
treatment first, regardless of how many more serious cases may be
in front of them.

Yes, of course. This is a big finding for you?

That's why many Canadians are passionate about the issue and concerned about
the rise of private health care. They are desperate to avoid becoming like
the United States.

Maybe the ministers pretend it doesn't happen
because they also take advantage of the system.

Could be.

What's your point? That the US doesn't have a monopoly on selfish scumbags?
We know that.

KMAN points out:
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That's why many Canadians are passionate about the issue and concerned
about the rise of private health care. They are desperate to avoid
becoming like the United States...

Maybe the ministers pretend it doesn't happen
because they also take advantage of the system.

Could be. What's your point? That the US doesn't have a monopoly on
selfish scumbags? We know that.
=================

KMAN is absolutely correct. Canadians are passionate about this issue,
and most (the VAST majority - check the polls) want no part of an
American-style system. Don't forget, we've tried that and discarded the
TShirt.

So when there are flaws (name a system that has no flaws), we're also
keen about fixing them. When there are selfish scumbags, the loopholes
they used need to be plugged.

Like ALL systems, it's a "work in progress".

frtzw906

rick gleefully asserts:
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LOL Thanks for admitting I'm right. There is a dual system
already in place in Canada. The prefered get to have their
treatment first, regardless of how many more serious cases may be
in front of them. Maybe the ministers pretend it doesn't happen
because they also take advantage of the system.
================

We've established that there is a degree of "duality". In the case of
the armed services, I'm willing to accept that. In the case of the
RCMP, I'm not convinced. In the case of WCB, I'm opposed. So, as a
citizen, I have an opportunity to voice my opposition and vote
accordingly.

As to other types of duality, you'll also know, since you're very
familiar with the Canadian system, that this is highly controversial.
Further, you'd know that provinces which support such duality risk
their federal funding for healthcare.

This duality is far from a "given" in the long term. Nonetheless,
Canada, no less than the USA and most western nations, must grapple
with healthcare issues. It is probably useful to explore options.
Perhaps the Bismark model might be more appropriate than the current
Beveridge model. Perhaps the American model (highly unlikely)?

Ultimately, the decision will be political. As such, it will be based
on values. Right now, if I were betting, I'd bet on a system that is
universal with priorities determined by medical need. "Special"
treatment appears to be anathema to most Canadians (according to all
polls).

frtzw906