A Usenet persona calling itself KMAN wrote:

in article , Michael Daly at
wrote on 3/25/05 9:36 PM:


On 25-Mar-2005, Scott Weiser wrote:

HOSPITALIZATION and SURGERY. It does
not, by law.

Which law? Provide proof.

The supplemental policies _do_ provide for hospitalization and
surgery. It is you who is too ignorant to accept the truth.

Mike

What's he trying to say Mike? That we can't have health insurance? Or that
it can't be used for hospital care?

Neither. I'm saying that no amount of health care insurance in Canada will
get you into a hospital or surgical suite ahead of anyone higher on the
priority list than you. That it may cover all sorts of things that Canada's
socialized medical system doesn't cover is beside the point. If you cannot
use your insurance to guarantee you a room or surgery when YOU need it, not
when the government decides to provide it to you, it's nothing more than
palliative and gives you nothing more than a few perks in the hospital,
provided you don't die waiting to be admitted.

My old medical insurance provided that I could go to any hospital in the
world and get immediate treatment, including admission and surgery as
necessary, without any delay, without any permission from anybody, and it
would pay the bills.

You only get to go into the hospital if some government bureaucrat decides
you "need" to do so, and you "need" to do so more urgently than somebody
else. If they don't think you "need" to be admitted, or if they don't have
room, you're ****ed, and you have to come to the US and pay the full price
for your care.

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Scott asserts:
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Neither. I'm saying that no amount of health care insurance in Canada
will
get you into a hospital or surgical suite ahead of anyone higher on the
priority list than you.
==============

And are you suggesting that there ought to be some sort of insurance
coverage that could get you higher on the priority list? Just curious.

frtzw906

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
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Scott asserts:
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Neither. I'm saying that no amount of health care insurance in
Canada
will
get you into a hospital or surgical suite ahead of anyone
higher on the
priority list than you.
==============

And are you suggesting that there ought to be some sort of
insurance
coverage that could get you higher on the priority list? Just
curious.
==========================
Apparently there already is, if you work for the feds, rcmp,
militay, or are covered by the workers comp board. They do get
to step out of line and go to private surgical clinics instead o
waiting like the rest o the minions...


frtzw906

rick supposes...
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Apparently there already is, if you work for the feds, rcmp,
militay, or are covered by the workers comp board. They do get
to step out of line and go to private surgical clinics instead o
waiting like the rest o the minions
=============

And your basis for saying that is... ???

frtzw906

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
oups.com...
rick supposes...
===============
Apparently there already is, if you work for the feds, rcmp,
militay, or are covered by the workers comp board. They do get
to step out of line and go to private surgical clinics instead
o
waiting like the rest o the minions
=============

And your basis for saying that is... ???


"...The Health Resource Centre, a 37-bed clinic at 1402 8th Ave.
SW, will only be allowed to work on Canadians covered under the
Workers' Compensation Board insurance, or employees of the
federal government, the military or RCMP.
Under the plan 24 surgeons, 62 nurses and support staff will be
able to perform 441 surgeries.

Americans not covered by Canadian medicare can pay for the
surgeries but no Canadian will be allowed to pay for a surgery to
jump the queue..."

http://www.cupe40.org/klein_defends_...surgery_cl.htm

rick cites:
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The Health Resource Centre, a 37-bed clinic at 1402 8th Ave.
SW, will only be allowed to work on Canadians covered under the
Workers' Compensation Board insurance, or employees of the
federal government, the military or RCMP.
===============

That was 2002. Are you sure that's still the case? Are you aware of
Premier Klein's relationship with the feds?

As I'm sure, as an American, you're familiar with state's rights. Are
you aware of provincial rights? But, more to the point, are you aware
how federal funding to provnces is affected by deviation from the
federal healthcare plan?

The relationship we're talking about is not so simple as to be
explained by a 3-year old newspaper article. Given that we're talking
about Premier Klein, I'm not surprised. What I'm curious about is if
this situation still exists in 2005.

frtzw906

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
oups.com...
rick cites:
============
The Health Resource Centre, a 37-bed clinic at 1402 8th Ave.
SW, will only be allowed to work on Canadians covered under the
Workers' Compensation Board insurance, or employees of the
federal government, the military or RCMP.
===============

That was 2002. Are you sure that's still the case? Are you
aware of
Premier Klein's relationship with the feds?

As I'm sure, as an American, you're familiar with state's
rights. Are
you aware of provincial rights? But, more to the point, are you
aware
how federal funding to provnces is affected by deviation from
the
federal healthcare plan?

The relationship we're talking about is not so simple as to be
explained by a 3-year old newspaper article. Given that we're
talking
about Premier Klein, I'm not surprised. What I'm curious about
is if
this situation still exists in 2005.
=====================
Seems pretty simple to me. If you work for the right people you
get to go ahead of the rest. Maybe that's the problem, it's too
simple for some jingoistic apologists, eh?

Looks the same today, but then, you'd never want to bother to
check on that, right?
http://www.pentictonherald.ca/?nopic...ate=2004/09/15
statement from a guy waiting 2 years for knee replacments, and in
now on morphine because of the wait...
"...A friend who had been waiting a long time for lower back
surgery had an accident at work and made a claim to the WCB.
"He gets three MRIs, two CAT scans, and he's in to see the
surgeon within 30 days. They don't want to pay him while he's off
work. They want him in there right away, and they want the claim
settled," said Binfet. The Canada Health Act requires there be
equitable access to care, said Linda Mueller, public affairs
officer with the Ministry of Health Services in Victoria.
However, certain organizations are excluded from the requirements
of the act, she said Tuesday. ICBC is not one of them, but the
WCB, the RCMP and the Canadian Armed Forces are..."


And, to add insult to those waiting, they also use the same
public hospitals with long wait lines as well as private
clinics..
"...the WCB uses public clinics during hours they would normally
be closed as well as private clinics to offer expedited services
to B.C.'s injured workers. The WCB pays specialists a premium for
this service..."
http://www.worksafebc.com/for_health...rs/default.asp




frtzw906

On 26-Mar-2005, "rick" wrote:

They do get
to step out of line and go to private surgical clinics instead o
waiting like the rest o the minions...

This is bull**** as well. There are a lot of folks that can go to
private clinics and avoid lines. The health care ministers
pretend that this doesn't happen.

Mike

"Michael Daly" wrote in message
...

On 26-Mar-2005, "rick" wrote:

They do get
to step out of line and go to private surgical clinics instead
o
waiting like the rest o the minions...

This is bull**** as well. There are a lot of folks that can go
to
private clinics and avoid lines. The health care ministers
pretend that this doesn't happen.
==================
LOL Thanks for admitting I'm right. There is a dual system
already in place in Canada. The prefered get to have their
treatment first, regardless of how many more serious cases may be
in front of them. Maybe the ministers pretend it doesn't happen
because they also take advantage of the system.



Mike

LOL Thanks for admitting I'm right. There is a dual system
already in place in Canada. The prefered get to have their
treatment first, regardless of how many more serious cases may be
in front of them. Maybe the ministers pretend it doesn't happen
because they also take advantage of the system.

As one who lives in Ottawa I can assure you that Minsters and their staff
are among the preferred. Queue jumping among those in control occurs in
every socialist system. It only works according to the theory for the
little people who pay the cost.

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