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at wrote on 3/20/05 9:49 PM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/20/05 6:25 PM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/20/05 4:38 AM: Tinkerntom wrote: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/20/05 2:03 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM: KMAN wrote: "Melissa" wrote in message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi BCITORGB, On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote: Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF! Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be as offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed "go away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the former, even when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was definitely of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for effect, I admit, and I suppose it could have been easily misunderstood, so I do apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*. Besides, I only mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a "tactful" way to say it! ;-) - -- Melissa You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case, he's already "around the bend"... OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge. I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he is starting to look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-) Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do with what you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such big words, must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa reference...and why I made it? The name Dan Quail rings a bell! I'm glad you are around two make sure we don't all goe offf halfed cocked and spill a worrd witd lesss than camplete accurracy now and then. Humour, Tinkerntom. Humour. I thought I was being humorous also, thanks for the compliment! I am surre yu woold knot be able to figur oot what else important is going on or been saide if thar wert a sppeellen errorr. Some politicians carreers have fallen because of a simple misspelled word. Now for those who set around and read a dictionary all day for inspirational reading, cause they can't figure anything really significant to do than to be picky about other folks spelling errors If I had just jumped into RPB and made a joke about your spelling abilities, I'd have to agree with you. However, in light of the vast amounts of your verbiage that I have waded through on numerous occasions, you might be getting a tad carried away with this angle. Hey, you have asked questions that sometimes required an indepth discussion. If you want to keep it simple, ask simple questions! and can't make a positive constructive contribution to an ongoing discussion, then it should not surprise you when they would delight to bring down a decent and honorable man Humble too! I agree, he could have acted more humble, but then politicians running for high office aren't known for being humble, and the news media loves to find a weak point, and never let it go. I am sure that if you ask Dan, how to spell patato now, he would be able to tell you. So should we ask him to be president now, that he knows how to spell patato! because of a spelling error, in order to promote their own philanderer, and then think that the philanderer is a asset to the country and the world. Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your spelling of potato? No, but the media at the time sure had fun at Dan's expense, and used it to promote BillyBob, without really checking out some of the serious allegations about the latter. And then they act surprised about Monica. But such is how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame as the RBP. TnT Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun. Oh, we can be fun, but I prefer when discussing substantive issues with you, instead of my spelling, or for that matter yours, not becoming the subject. Sp flames are not particularly interesting. If it is critical for the content of the discussion, then clarify for clarity sake, otherwise figure it out. I have seen so many threads just break down into nit-picking ****ing contest. I know that you are able to discuss issues in a mature and thoughtful manner. I have gotten to know enough about you to know that you have alot to contribute to a discussion, and that you have a perspective that is valuable for me to hear. It is distressing and annoying when you get picky and penny ante, and I am inclined to just ignore you as I do a few others. There are times when we snipe at each other, and it can be fun, from the stand point that as we have gotten to know one another, we know each others hot buttons. Hopefully we do not do so to destroy the other person. I am sure that from your perspective of me going over the edge, while you are setting on your couch reading the dictionary, must look very humorous to a Martian checking out the local electronic binary data fields surrounding the Earth. Some of the quips are cute, clever, and funny, and then some are mean, nasty, and hurt. I would assume from what you have indicated about your respect for mankind, that you would not intentionally hurt another human being. Why would you do it mentally, and then claim it was fun. See I've gotten to know you to well, and I actually don't think you are such a bad guy! Respectfully TnT Here is something funny, I was checking out my post, and I still can't spell "potato!" I wanted to warn you so that you don't choke on patato, laughing! TnT Tinkerntom... You make spelling mistakes all the time. I did not even notice - nor would I care to remark upon - your patato typo. I just happened to find the "potatoe" spelling amusing because it brought to mind Danny Q. Ok, and I admit that the mini-thread, preceding the Patatoe Crisis, was fun, and you in fact were continuing to be cute and clever in your clarifying the proper spelling of potato, and reference to DQ. Whose quotes are pretty humorous to read in retrospect. I should also know better than to try responding to a sideways post, in the middle of the night, after a long day of working on a broken down car. I broke a motor mount with collateral damage on the way home Friday. I had thoughts of even getting to the lake this weekend, and that all changed in a loud bang and then some very nasty grinding sounds. So carry on, and I will try to watch my spelling a little closer, so that it does not cause you any unnecessary amusement! And you said us Jesus freaks aren't any fun! :) TnT That's the most roundabout and diluted apology ever. You'd think a man filled with the love of god could do better! Well, I learned from a master! I was going to save the real apology for the middle of the night, where I would hide it in the middle of something I am writing to frtzw. But if it makes you feel better, I apologize for getting all wound up and jumping all over your sense of humor, which actually was pretty on point and funny! What can I say, you are strating to impress me, not because you apologize (although when it comes to usenet you don't see it often) but because you actually seem to understand what is happening in this instance. I will work on my spelling, and in particular being able to humble myself when I misspell as I am inclined to do, and I appreciate and accept your help in correcting critical speeling errors. TnT Heh. Humour, right? |
KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/20/05 9:49 PM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/20/05 6:25 PM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/20/05 4:38 AM: Tinkerntom wrote: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/20/05 2:03 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM: KMAN wrote: "Melissa" wrote in message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi BCITORGB, On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote: Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF! Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be as offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed "go away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the former, even when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was definitely of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for effect, I admit, and I suppose it could have been easily misunderstood, so I do apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*. Besides, I only mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a "tactful" way to say it! ;-) - -- Melissa You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case, he's already "around the bend"... OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge. I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he is starting to look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-) Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do with what you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such big words, must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa reference...and why I made it? The name Dan Quail rings a bell! I'm glad you are around two make sure we don't all goe offf halfed cocked and spill a worrd witd lesss than camplete accurracy now and then. Humour, Tinkerntom. Humour. I thought I was being humorous also, thanks for the compliment! I am surre yu woold knot be able to figur oot what else important is going on or been saide if thar wert a sppeellen errorr. Some politicians carreers have fallen because of a simple misspelled word. Now for those who set around and read a dictionary all day for inspirational reading, cause they can't figure anything really significant to do than to be picky about other folks spelling errors If I had just jumped into RPB and made a joke about your spelling abilities, I'd have to agree with you. However, in light of the vast amounts of your verbiage that I have waded through on numerous occasions, you might be getting a tad carried away with this angle. Hey, you have asked questions that sometimes required an indepth discussion. If you want to keep it simple, ask simple questions! and can't make a positive constructive contribution to an ongoing discussion, then it should not surprise you when they would delight to bring down a decent and honorable man Humble too! I agree, he could have acted more humble, but then politicians running for high office aren't known for being humble, and the news media loves to find a weak point, and never let it go. I am sure that if you ask Dan, how to spell patato now, he would be able to tell you. So should we ask him to be president now, that he knows how to spell patato! because of a spelling error, in order to promote their own philanderer, and then think that the philanderer is a asset to the country and the world. Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your spelling of potato? No, but the media at the time sure had fun at Dan's expense, and used it to promote BillyBob, without really checking out some of the serious allegations about the latter. And then they act surprised about Monica. But such is how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame as the RBP. TnT Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun. Oh, we can be fun, but I prefer when discussing substantive issues with you, instead of my spelling, or for that matter yours, not becoming the subject. Sp flames are not particularly interesting. If it is critical for the content of the discussion, then clarify for clarity sake, otherwise figure it out. I have seen so many threads just break down into nit-picking ****ing contest. I know that you are able to discuss issues in a mature and thoughtful manner. I have gotten to know enough about you to know that you have alot to contribute to a discussion, and that you have a perspective that is valuable for me to hear. It is distressing and annoying when you get picky and penny ante, and I am inclined to just ignore you as I do a few others. There are times when we snipe at each other, and it can be fun, from the stand point that as we have gotten to know one another, we know each others hot buttons. Hopefully we do not do so to destroy the other person. I am sure that from your perspective of me going over the edge, while you are setting on your couch reading the dictionary, must look very humorous to a Martian checking out the local electronic binary data fields surrounding the Earth. Some of the quips are cute, clever, and funny, and then some are mean, nasty, and hurt. I would assume from what you have indicated about your respect for mankind, that you would not intentionally hurt another human being. Why would you do it mentally, and then claim it was fun. See I've gotten to know you to well, and I actually don't think you are such a bad guy! Respectfully TnT Here is something funny, I was checking out my post, and I still can't spell "potato!" I wanted to warn you so that you don't choke on patato, laughing! TnT Tinkerntom... You make spelling mistakes all the time. I did not even notice - nor would I care to remark upon - your patato typo. I just happened to find the "potatoe" spelling amusing because it brought to mind Danny Q. Ok, and I admit that the mini-thread, preceding the Patatoe Crisis, was fun, and you in fact were continuing to be cute and clever in your clarifying the proper spelling of potato, and reference to DQ. Whose quotes are pretty humorous to read in retrospect. I should also know better than to try responding to a sideways post, in the middle of the night, after a long day of working on a broken down car. I broke a motor mount with collateral damage on the way home Friday. I had thoughts of even getting to the lake this weekend, and that all changed in a loud bang and then some very nasty grinding sounds. So carry on, and I will try to watch my spelling a little closer, so that it does not cause you any unnecessary amusement! And you said us Jesus freaks aren't any fun! :) TnT That's the most roundabout and diluted apology ever. You'd think a man filled with the love of god could do better! Well, I learned from a master! I was going to save the real apology for the middle of the night, where I would hide it in the middle of something I am writing to frtzw. But if it makes you feel better, I apologize for getting all wound up and jumping all over your sense of humor, which actually was pretty on point and funny! What can I say, you are strating to impress me, not because you apologize (although when it comes to usenet you don't see it often) but because you actually seem to understand what is happening in this instance. I will work on my spelling, and in particular being able to humble myself when I misspell as I am inclined to do, and I appreciate and accept your help in correcting critical speeling errors. TnT Heh. Humour, right? Yeah, I am strating to understand usenet humor! Right tNt |
KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/20/05 9:41 PM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/20/05 6:48 PM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/20/05 4:30 AM: snip Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your spelling of potato? No, but the media at the time sure had fun at Dan's expense, and used it to promote BillyBob, without really checking out some of the serious allegations about the latter. And then they act surprised about Monica. Billy Bob was hardly the first president to mess around. If George W isn't, it's probably only because he is so incredibly unappealing. I don'tknow, Laura seems to like him OK! But such is how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame as the RBP. TnT Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun. Oh, we can be fun, but I prefer when discussing substantive issues with you, instead of my spelling, or for that matter yours, not becoming the subject. Sp flames are not particularly interesting. It wasn't a flame, Tinkerntom. Your are getting quite wound up on this angle, when clearly if you look back over our umpteen questions, you can't make a case that I pick on your spelling. Had ANYONE made that particular spelling error, I could not have resisted a reference to the potatoe incident. If it is critical for the content of the discussion, then clarify for clarity sake, otherwise figure it out. I have seen so many threads just break down into nit-picking ****ing contest. Again, you are getting wound up over nothing. I know that you are able to discuss issues in a mature and thoughtful manner. I wasn't discussing an issue. I was having fun with a reference to the potatoe incident. Ok, have your fun, just don't choke laughing, and then try to blame it one me! ??? I have gotten to know enough about you to know that you have alot to contribute to a discussion, and that you have a perspective that is valuable for me to hear. It is distressing and annoying when you get picky and penny ante, and I am inclined to just ignore you as I do a few others. Tinkerntom, by all means if you feel that you need to ignore me, go ahead, by why you would chose to do so on the basis of the potatoe joke will surely be a huge mystery. I do not desire to ignore you as I said, I come to appreciate your constructive comments, and maybe I need your help with my spelling as well. :) Okelydokely then. Why do I feel like I just lost. Now you have me confuse, how is it you just lost, what did you lose? LOL. Humour. You have to consider the original threat. I expect that is the problem with threads like this that get so long, the original gets lost in the debris of the discussion. You see something and comment on it, I see something else, and try to apply your comment, and be both get lot. I agree that it does get humorous, we just need to remember to laugh! There are times when we snipe at each other, and it can be fun, from the stand point that as we have gotten to know one another, we know each others hot buttons. Hopefully we do not do so to destroy the other person. I am sure that from your perspective of me going over the edge, while you are setting on your couch reading the dictionary, must look very humorous to a Martian checking out the local electronic binary data fields surrounding the Earth. I don't think I even have a dictionary here, perhaps a scrabble dictionary somewhere. I don't use particular big words very often Tinkerntom. Some of the quips are cute, clever, and funny, and then some are mean, nasty, and hurt. I would assume from what you have indicated about your respect for mankind, that you would not intentionally hurt another human being. Why would you do it mentally, and then claim it was fun. See I've gotten to know you to well, and I actually don't think you are such a bad guy! Respectfully TnT What are we talking about here? The potatoe spelling? No, just what I said, I don't think that you are such bad guy! High praise indeed. What would lead you to believe that I am a bad guy in the least? We have had our trying moments! For which I apologize for any unnecessary grief, not that it was all unnecessary. OK, thanks, very kind of you, but I'm still curious about what would lead you to believe that I am a bad guy. Sometimes, well often, you come across as someone with to much time on your hands, idle hands are the Devil's playground, The Devil is a bad dude, sometimes you play the Devil's advocate and you are fair to middlin' at it. :) I might even be up your way sometimes, and would be glad to check out your waterfront paddling realestate. TnT OK, now I'm so frightened I might need to get some advice from Scotty.* * This is a joke, Tinkerntom He probably would tell you to get a gun, though that would really not be necessary, me being the nice guy that I really am. But I don't want you to be frightened, so if it makes you feel better, do whatever. TnT Sigh. That was the idea of the joke, Tinkerntom. I made sure you would know it was a joke so that you wouldn't think that I was seriously concerned about you and thinking that I'd need a gun for protection. However, even with the "*" and all, I failed! Maybe, but I succeded, mine was a joke as well, and it went right by you, as well. Zing TnT |
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... I do not desire to ignore you as I said, I come to appreciate your constructive comments, and maybe I need your help with my spelling as well. :) Okelydokely then. Why do I feel like I just lost. Now you have me confuse, how is it you just lost, what did you lose? LOL. Humour. You have to consider the original threat. I expect that is the problem with threads like this that get so long, the original gets lost in the debris of the discussion. You see something and comment on it, I see something else, and try to apply your comment, and be both get lot. I agree that it does get humorous, we just need to remember to laugh! The original threat was that you would ignore me. Thus, when you announced that you did not desire to ignore me, there was (or should have been) humour easily found in my comment that I felt that I had lost. OK, thanks, very kind of you, but I'm still curious about what would lead you to believe that I am a bad guy. Sometimes, well often, you come across as someone with to much time on your hands, idle hands are the Devil's playground, The Devil is a bad dude, sometimes you play the Devil's advocate and you are fair to middlin' at it. :) Why do I come across as a guy with much time on my hands? And why didn't you just inquire? As I thought you were aware, I am the founder of a charitable organization for people with intellectual disabilities and I work about 90 hours per week. I duck into rec.boats.paddle for some light amusement and occasional thought-provoking interaction. I might even be up your way sometimes, and would be glad to check out your waterfront paddling realestate. TnT OK, now I'm so frightened I might need to get some advice from Scotty.* * This is a joke, Tinkerntom He probably would tell you to get a gun, though that would really not be necessary, me being the nice guy that I really am. But I don't want you to be frightened, so if it makes you feel better, do whatever. TnT Sigh. That was the idea of the joke, Tinkerntom. I made sure you would know it was a joke so that you wouldn't think that I was seriously concerned about you and thinking that I'd need a gun for protection. However, even with the "*" and all, I failed! Maybe, but I succeded, mine was a joke as well, and it went right by you, as well. Zing TnT Hm. I had considered that it was a poorly constructed joke. The problem is the ending. Well, the middle too. Maybe the beginning? |
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... No Spam wrote: "Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... Snip I should also know better than to try responding to a sideways post, in the middle of the night, after a long day of working on a broken down car. I broke a motor mount with collateral damage on the way home Friday. I had thoughts of even getting to the lake this weekend, and that all changed in a loud bang and then some very nasty grinding sounds. What kind of car did you break a mount in, that caused other problems? I had not broken one in many years after having an early 70s Chrysler that ate them for breakfast. Until recently, that is, when my wife's Bonneville (since traded for a Jeep) broke the front one. It had the same problem as that early Chrysler. There was no limiter to keep the rubber from over-extending. On many others in between these 2 cars I noticed that they had a lip that would prevent over extension and then if the rubber did break it would prevent collateral damage by keeping the engine from moving beyond the limits of other components. I think the engineers either forget the lessons learned or they are so hard pressed to save money, space and weight that they make sacrifices. Rubber holding hundreds of ft/lbs of torque in place is a poor place to save a few ounces or cents. IMO Ken Dodge Grand Caravan, 3.3 L engine, Left side mount. The engine dropped and moved to the right about 1.5 inches. the left side constant velocity drive shaft pulled apart and self distructed. I had a spare shaft that I put on, before I figured out about the motor mount, and it lasted about 20 ft before coming apart as well. That's when I began to figure there was something else wrong than a bad CV joint. I am a fast learner! When I got it all jacked up you could see the rear mount all dropped down and pushed to the right. I figure the pop I heard at first, was the mount breaking, then the grinding was the knuckle joint coming apart. I hope I did not damage the tranny? TnT Yeah, if you pulled one apart you were driving the opposite side shaft into the tranny. Hopefully it has a bearing that can take the side load without harm. You should know in the next 3k miles or so. Wish you luck. If they had limiters built into the mount you would have just needed the mount. Ken |
No Spam wrote: "Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... No Spam wrote: "Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... Snip I should also know better than to try responding to a sideways post, in the middle of the night, after a long day of working on a broken down car. I broke a motor mount with collateral damage on the way home Friday. I had thoughts of even getting to the lake this weekend, and that all changed in a loud bang and then some very nasty grinding sounds. What kind of car did you break a mount in, that caused other problems? I had not broken one in many years after having an early 70s Chrysler that ate them for breakfast. Until recently, that is, when my wife's Bonneville (since traded for a Jeep) broke the front one. It had the same problem as that early Chrysler. There was no limiter to keep the rubber from over-extending. On many others in between these 2 cars I noticed that they had a lip that would prevent over extension and then if the rubber did break it would prevent collateral damage by keeping the engine from moving beyond the limits of other components. I think the engineers either forget the lessons learned or they are so hard pressed to save money, space and weight that they make sacrifices. Rubber holding hundreds of ft/lbs of torque in place is a poor place to save a few ounces or cents. IMO Ken Dodge Grand Caravan, 3.3 L engine, Left side mount. The engine dropped and moved to the right about 1.5 inches. the left side constant velocity drive shaft pulled apart and self distructed. I had a spare shaft that I put on, before I figured out about the motor mount, and it lasted about 20 ft before coming apart as well. That's when I began to figure there was something else wrong than a bad CV joint. I am a fast learner! When I got it all jacked up you could see the rear mount all dropped down and pushed to the right. I figure the pop I heard at first, was the mount breaking, then the grinding was the knuckle joint coming apart. I hope I did not damage the tranny? TnT Yeah, if you pulled one apart you were driving the opposite side shaft into the tranny. Hopefully it has a bearing that can take the side load without harm. You should know in the next 3k miles or so. Wish you luck. If they had limiters built into the mount you would have just needed the mount. Ken Limiters, what a novel idea!!!! Well I got it all put back together, replacing the left rail mount, left CV-Shaft, and everything ran fine for about 10 miles, and then I heard the motor shift right, blew left CV shaft again, and this time the power steering pulley hit the right rail, blew apart the pulley and sepentine bolt. Started talking to different mechanics, and come to find out this is a fairly common problem. Talked to Dodge Dealership mechanic, who said, "Yeah those AWD Caravan have this happen commonly, but there are not enough of them for Dodge to re-engineer the mount." So now I am replacing the pulley, belt, 4th Shaft, and re-engineering the motor mount to include a limiter to stop the engine from twisting to the right side. Do you think I could get a job with Dodge? At least that way I would get paid for doing all this work. Dodge says they get $800.00 for replacing motor mounts + parts, which usually requires the CV shaft replacement, and they recommend doing both sides, which adds another $600.00 to the total. :) TnT |
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... No Spam wrote: "Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... No Spam wrote: "Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... Snip I should also know better than to try responding to a sideways post, in the middle of the night, after a long day of working on a broken down car. I broke a motor mount with collateral damage on the way home Friday. I had thoughts of even getting to the lake this weekend, and that all changed in a loud bang and then some very nasty grinding sounds. What kind of car did you break a mount in, that caused other problems? I had not broken one in many years after having an early 70s Chrysler that ate them for breakfast. Until recently, that is, when my wife's Bonneville (since traded for a Jeep) broke the front one. It had the same problem as that early Chrysler. There was no limiter to keep the rubber from over-extending. On many others in between these 2 cars I noticed that they had a lip that would prevent over extension and then if the rubber did break it would prevent collateral damage by keeping the engine from moving beyond the limits of other components. I think the engineers either forget the lessons learned or they are so hard pressed to save money, space and weight that they make sacrifices. Rubber holding hundreds of ft/lbs of torque in place is a poor place to save a few ounces or cents. IMO Ken Dodge Grand Caravan, 3.3 L engine, Left side mount. The engine dropped and moved to the right about 1.5 inches. the left side constant velocity drive shaft pulled apart and self distructed. I had a spare shaft that I put on, before I figured out about the motor mount, and it lasted about 20 ft before coming apart as well. That's when I began to figure there was something else wrong than a bad CV joint. I am a fast learner! When I got it all jacked up you could see the rear mount all dropped down and pushed to the right. I figure the pop I heard at first, was the mount breaking, then the grinding was the knuckle joint coming apart. I hope I did not damage the tranny? TnT Yeah, if you pulled one apart you were driving the opposite side shaft into the tranny. Hopefully it has a bearing that can take the side load without harm. You should know in the next 3k miles or so. Wish you luck. If they had limiters built into the mount you would have just needed the mount. Ken Limiters, what a novel idea!!!! Well I got it all put back together, replacing the left rail mount, left CV-Shaft, and everything ran fine for about 10 miles, and then I heard the motor shift right, blew left CV shaft again, and this time the power steering pulley hit the right rail, blew apart the pulley and sepentine bolt. Started talking to different mechanics, and come to find out this is a fairly common problem. Talked to Dodge Dealership mechanic, who said, "Yeah those AWD Caravan have this happen commonly, but there are not enough of them for Dodge to re-engineer the mount." So now I am replacing the pulley, belt, 4th Shaft, and re-engineering the motor mount to include a limiter to stop the engine from twisting to the right side. Do you think I could get a job with Dodge? At least that way I would get paid for doing all this work. Dodge says they get $800.00 for replacing motor mounts + parts, which usually requires the CV shaft replacement, and they recommend doing both sides, which adds another $600.00 to the total. :) TnT It is certainly a shame that they have learned nothing in 30 some years. In my 72 Dodge I made the limiter out of tow chain. One end under the engine bolt and the other end under the frame bolt. Just enough slack to keep vibration from being transferred to the frame. Now you can get webbing from most speed shops (at least ones that serve the real racing crowd) and use that in the same way. It is high tech fabric that resists heat and wear. Racers use the stuff to hold their engines in and I believe the off road racers also control how far the axle can move downward. Ken |
No Spam wrote: "Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... No Spam wrote: "Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... No Spam wrote: "Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... Snip I should also know better than to try responding to a sideways post, in the middle of the night, after a long day of working on a broken down car. I broke a motor mount with collateral damage on the way home Friday. I had thoughts of even getting to the lake this weekend, and that all changed in a loud bang and then some very nasty grinding sounds. What kind of car did you break a mount in, that caused other problems? I had not broken one in many years after having an early 70s Chrysler that ate them for breakfast. Until recently, that is, when my wife's Bonneville (since traded for a Jeep) broke the front one. It had the same problem as that early Chrysler. There was no limiter to keep the rubber from over-extending. On many others in between these 2 cars I noticed that they had a lip that would prevent over extension and then if the rubber did break it would prevent collateral damage by keeping the engine from moving beyond the limits of other components. I think the engineers either forget the lessons learned or they are so hard pressed to save money, space and weight that they make sacrifices. Rubber holding hundreds of ft/lbs of torque in place is a poor place to save a few ounces or cents. IMO Ken Dodge Grand Caravan, 3.3 L engine, Left side mount. The engine dropped and moved to the right about 1.5 inches. the left side constant velocity drive shaft pulled apart and self distructed. I had a spare shaft that I put on, before I figured out about the motor mount, and it lasted about 20 ft before coming apart as well. That's when I began to figure there was something else wrong than a bad CV joint. I am a fast learner! When I got it all jacked up you could see the rear mount all dropped down and pushed to the right. I figure the pop I heard at first, was the mount breaking, then the grinding was the knuckle joint coming apart. I hope I did not damage the tranny? TnT Yeah, if you pulled one apart you were driving the opposite side shaft into the tranny. Hopefully it has a bearing that can take the side load without harm. You should know in the next 3k miles or so. Wish you luck. If they had limiters built into the mount you would have just needed the mount. Ken Limiters, what a novel idea!!!! Well I got it all put back together, replacing the left rail mount, left CV-Shaft, and everything ran fine for about 10 miles, and then I heard the motor shift right, blew left CV shaft again, and this time the power steering pulley hit the right rail, blew apart the pulley and sepentine bolt. Started talking to different mechanics, and come to find out this is a fairly common problem. Talked to Dodge Dealership mechanic, who said, "Yeah those AWD Caravan have this happen commonly, but there are not enough of them for Dodge to re-engineer the mount." So now I am replacing the pulley, belt, 4th Shaft, and re-engineering the motor mount to include a limiter to stop the engine from twisting to the right side. Do you think I could get a job with Dodge? At least that way I would get paid for doing all this work. Dodge says they get $800.00 for replacing motor mounts + parts, which usually requires the CV shaft replacement, and they recommend doing both sides, which adds another $600.00 to the total. :) TnT It is certainly a shame that they have learned nothing in 30 some years. In my 72 Dodge I made the limiter out of tow chain. One end under the engine bolt and the other end under the frame bolt. Just enough slack to keep vibration from being transferred to the frame. Now you can get webbing from most speed shops (at least ones that serve the real racing crowd) and use that in the same way. It is high tech fabric that resists heat and wear. Racers use the stuff to hold their engines in and I believe the off road racers also control how far the axle can move downward. Ken Short chain sounds good! I got most of it back together today, except for the power steering pump, Pep Boys sold me the wrong pulley, so I wiil just replace the whole pump. Got to thinking that the smack could have damaged the pump anyway, so be my luck the way things are going, the pump would fail about a week from now. So I think I would just as well save myself the double duty. Some fun never stops. :) TnT |
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... No Spam wrote: "Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... No Spam wrote: "Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... No Spam wrote: "Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... Snip I should also know better than to try responding to a sideways post, in the middle of the night, after a long day of working on a broken down car. I broke a motor mount with collateral damage on the way home Friday. I had thoughts of even getting to the lake this weekend, and that all changed in a loud bang and then some very nasty grinding sounds. What kind of car did you break a mount in, that caused other problems? I had not broken one in many years after having an early 70s Chrysler that ate them for breakfast. Until recently, that is, when my wife's Bonneville (since traded for a Jeep) broke the front one. It had the same problem as that early Chrysler. There was no limiter to keep the rubber from over-extending. On many others in between these 2 cars I noticed that they had a lip that would prevent over extension and then if the rubber did break it would prevent collateral damage by keeping the engine from moving beyond the limits of other components. I think the engineers either forget the lessons learned or they are so hard pressed to save money, space and weight that they make sacrifices. Rubber holding hundreds of ft/lbs of torque in place is a poor place to save a few ounces or cents. IMO Ken Dodge Grand Caravan, 3.3 L engine, Left side mount. The engine dropped and moved to the right about 1.5 inches. the left side constant velocity drive shaft pulled apart and self distructed. I had a spare shaft that I put on, before I figured out about the motor mount, and it lasted about 20 ft before coming apart as well. That's when I began to figure there was something else wrong than a bad CV joint. I am a fast learner! When I got it all jacked up you could see the rear mount all dropped down and pushed to the right. I figure the pop I heard at first, was the mount breaking, then the grinding was the knuckle joint coming apart. I hope I did not damage the tranny? TnT Yeah, if you pulled one apart you were driving the opposite side shaft into the tranny. Hopefully it has a bearing that can take the side load without harm. You should know in the next 3k miles or so. Wish you luck. If they had limiters built into the mount you would have just needed the mount. Ken Limiters, what a novel idea!!!! Well I got it all put back together, replacing the left rail mount, left CV-Shaft, and everything ran fine for about 10 miles, and then I heard the motor shift right, blew left CV shaft again, and this time the power steering pulley hit the right rail, blew apart the pulley and sepentine bolt. Started talking to different mechanics, and come to find out this is a fairly common problem. Talked to Dodge Dealership mechanic, who said, "Yeah those AWD Caravan have this happen commonly, but there are not enough of them for Dodge to re-engineer the mount." So now I am replacing the pulley, belt, 4th Shaft, and re-engineering the motor mount to include a limiter to stop the engine from twisting to the right side. Do you think I could get a job with Dodge? At least that way I would get paid for doing all this work. Dodge says they get $800.00 for replacing motor mounts + parts, which usually requires the CV shaft replacement, and they recommend doing both sides, which adds another $600.00 to the total. :) TnT It is certainly a shame that they have learned nothing in 30 some years. In my 72 Dodge I made the limiter out of tow chain. One end under the engine bolt and the other end under the frame bolt. Just enough slack to keep vibration from being transferred to the frame. Now you can get webbing from most speed shops (at least ones that serve the real racing crowd) and use that in the same way. It is high tech fabric that resists heat and wear. Racers use the stuff to hold their engines in and I believe the off road racers also control how far the axle can move downward. Ken Short chain sounds good! I got most of it back together today, except for the power steering pump, Pep Boys sold me the wrong pulley, so I wiil just replace the whole pump. Got to thinking that the smack could have damaged the pump anyway, so be my luck the way things are going, the pump would fail about a week from now. So I think I would just as well save myself the double duty. Some fun never stops. :) TnT I never broke the mount again after I put the chain in. No matter how much torque you put on the engine, the rubber of the mount was only pulled until the slack in the chain took up and kept the rubber from being torn off. Ken |
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