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============= "Groups of Christians still battle each other today to promote the rights or even the salvation of one group over against another. Gender or sexual orientation rather than faith in Jesus Christ has come to determine the believer's status within a congregation. ============== Tink, I read over those links and found them mildly interesting. I found them somewhat lacking in credibility insofar as the author thinks that "W" and his cabinet are not "Christian" enough. Nonetheless, I found some of his general thesis plausible: that too many of these groups are lead around by the nose. For example, the citation you give above illustrates the point. I'm thinking (but who am I?) that with all the crap happening around the globe, your god has better things to worry about that a couple of guys (gals) holding hands. frtzw906 |
BCITORGB wrote: Tink asks for comment on: ============= "Groups of Christians still battle each other today to promote the rights or even the salvation of one group over against another. Gender or sexual orientation rather than faith in Jesus Christ has come to determine the believer's status within a congregation. ============== Tink, I read over those links and found them mildly interesting. I found them somewhat lacking in credibility insofar as the author thinks that "W" and his cabinet are not "Christian" enough. Nonetheless, I found some of his general thesis plausible: that too many of these groups are lead around by the nose. For example, the citation you give above illustrates the point. I'm thinking (but who am I?) that with all the crap happening around the globe, your god has better things to worry about that a couple of guys (gals) holding hands. frtzw906 I realize that the links may lack credibility from your perspective, though I included them to show that all is not smooth sailing in the religious conservative camp. The news media oftentimes talks about the conservative Christian agenda as a monolithic structure, unquestioningly endorsing the political right. Fact is it is not monolithic, and it is definitely fractured, if not coming apart at the seams. This may be a dirty little secret that the political right does not want to be made known for some strange reason. There are essentials, and non-essential elements of the Christian Faith, so much of the cat-fightin' is over non-essentials. Usually to the ignoring and being ignorant of the essentials. The essentials in our Christian Life being Faith, Love, and Joy. You are correct, I did not see anything in that list about who's holding whose hand. That may explain the lack of the Big Three in supposed Christian's lives. I like to check out the faces of the audiences of the TV religious programs. Usually you find dour faces, which convinces me that I don't need whatever the preacher is "selling", and I would rather be out paddling! TnT |
Melissa wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi Wilf, On 19 Mar 2005 09:36:24 -0800, you wrote: I rather thought it might be "for effect", so, in the spirit of an "over the top" translation, I gave it the most extreme translation. What isn't clear, however, is how someone on the Wet Coast comes up with something as unAmerican (nonAmerican?) as "sod off". That isn't part of the typical American vernacular is it? When it comes to vocabulary, I guess I can be a bit of an indiscriminate "sponge", or "lint collector", or something like that. Squeeze or shake me and who knows what might pop out?! :-) I've been to a lot of places, and I've spent a great deal of time in the company of non-US friends and acquaintances (sometimes living with them for extended periods), and I read a lot of books, etc., so I guess I've picked up bits and pieces of local vernacular here and there, and so "mixing and matching" is usually fairly unconscious on my part. Other times, I'll specifically choose one type of word or phrase, regardless of origin, for a very particular reason. It can be useful to have at one's disposal several things to choose from, no? (though even when it comes to shoes, I'm still no Imelda Marcos!). ;-) Just be sure to stop me if I begin "speaking in tongues", as that might really muck up the works! ;-) - -- Melissa PGP Public Keys: http://www.willkayakforfood.tk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBQjxzXzEYqNTZBqoEAQPFpwP/ez8YRsWHZjZ5Q6frQXtBwnsfuMHM7cGu FvgUBFBNzChRPEyTI1Uy3eTjmyCgF8+PNjhQvldoFR0uRHuMam 65jZwl3AxHf+ob B7k0qPFXKzYVK57ibAaHh4ssv5KDz/O8iKTCe0eH6FbL9LntP4w/kcenbiCmwVBw ppg+wn55VNA= =2k/u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Who squeezed you for even that last to pop out? :) TnT |
in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 2:22 PM: BCITORGB wrote: Tink asks for comment on: ============= "Groups of Christians still battle each other today to promote the rights or even the salvation of one group over against another. Gender or sexual orientation rather than faith in Jesus Christ has come to determine the believer's status within a congregation. ============== Tink, I read over those links and found them mildly interesting. I found them somewhat lacking in credibility insofar as the author thinks that "W" and his cabinet are not "Christian" enough. Nonetheless, I found some of his general thesis plausible: that too many of these groups are lead around by the nose. For example, the citation you give above illustrates the point. I'm thinking (but who am I?) that with all the crap happening around the globe, your god has better things to worry about that a couple of guys (gals) holding hands. frtzw906 I realize that the links may lack credibility from your perspective, though I included them to show that all is not smooth sailing in the religious conservative camp. The news media oftentimes talks about the conservative Christian agenda as a monolithic structure, unquestioningly endorsing the political right. Fact is it is not monolithic, and it is definitely fractured, if not coming apart at the seams. This may be a dirty little secret that the political right does not want to be made known for some strange reason. Well Tinkerntom, they wouldn't want it to become known because they'd like to keep running the US of A and whether it is commies, socialists, liberals, gays, or gay liberal commies, a lot of people on the right would rather be in bed with Hitler himself than "one of those." There are essentials, and non-essential elements of the Christian Faith, so much of the cat-fightin' is over non-essentials. Usually to the ignoring and being ignorant of the essentials. The essentials in our Christian Life being Faith, Love, and Joy. What do you think are essentials to the those who are not Christian? You are correct, I did not see anything in that list about who's holding whose hand. That may explain the lack of the Big Three in supposed Christian's lives. I like to check out the faces of the audiences of the TV religious programs. Usually you find dour faces, which convinces me that I don't need whatever the preacher is "selling", and I would rather be out paddling! TnT They usually look like they are on drugs. Which makes sense, because you know a religious belief system is working when its followers are not under their own power and control. |
KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM: KMAN wrote: "Melissa" wrote in message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi BCITORGB, On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote: Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF! Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be as offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed "go away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the former, even when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was definitely of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for effect, I admit, and I suppose it could have been easily misunderstood, so I do apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*. Besides, I only mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a "tactful" way to say it! ;-) - -- Melissa You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case, he's already "around the bend"... OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge. I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he is starting to look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-) Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do with what you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such big words, must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa reference...and why I made it? The name Dan Quail rings a bell! I'm glad you are around two make sure we don't all goe offf halfed cocked and spill a worrd witd lesss than camplete accurracy now and then. I am surre yu woold knot be able to figur oot what else important is going on or been saide if thar wert a sppeellen errorr. Some politicians carreers have fallen because of a simple misspelled word. Now for those who set around and read a dictionary all day for inspirational reading, cause they can't figure anything really significant to do than to be picky about other folks spelling errors, and can't make a positive constructive contribution to an ongoing discussion, then it should not surprise you when they would delight to bring down a decent and honorable man because of a spelling error, in order to promote their own philanderer, and then think that the philanderer is a asset to the country and the world. But such is how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame as the RBP. TnT |
in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 2:03 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM: KMAN wrote: "Melissa" wrote in message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi BCITORGB, On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote: Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF! Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be as offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed "go away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the former, even when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was definitely of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for effect, I admit, and I suppose it could have been easily misunderstood, so I do apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*. Besides, I only mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a "tactful" way to say it! ;-) - -- Melissa You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case, he's already "around the bend"... OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge. I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he is starting to look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-) Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do with what you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such big words, must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa reference...and why I made it? The name Dan Quail rings a bell! I'm glad you are around two make sure we don't all goe offf halfed cocked and spill a worrd witd lesss than camplete accurracy now and then. Humour, Tinkerntom. Humour. I am surre yu woold knot be able to figur oot what else important is going on or been saide if thar wert a sppeellen errorr. Some politicians carreers have fallen because of a simple misspelled word. Now for those who set around and read a dictionary all day for inspirational reading, cause they can't figure anything really significant to do than to be picky about other folks spelling errors If I had just jumped into RPB and made a joke about your spelling abilities, I'd have to agree with you. However, in light of the vast amounts of your verbiage that I have waded through on numerous occasions, you might be getting a tad carried away with this angle. and can't make a positive constructive contribution to an ongoing discussion, then it should not surprise you when they would delight to bring down a decent and honorable man Humble too! because of a spelling error, in order to promote their own philanderer, and then think that the philanderer is a asset to the country and the world. Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your spelling of potato? But such is how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame as the RBP. TnT Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun. |
KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/20/05 2:03 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM: KMAN wrote: "Melissa" wrote in message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi BCITORGB, On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote: Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF! Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be as offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed "go away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the former, even when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was definitely of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for effect, I admit, and I suppose it could have been easily misunderstood, so I do apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*. Besides, I only mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a "tactful" way to say it! ;-) - -- Melissa You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case, he's already "around the bend"... OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge. I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he is starting to look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-) Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do with what you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such big words, must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa reference...and why I made it? The name Dan Quail rings a bell! I'm glad you are around two make sure we don't all goe offf halfed cocked and spill a worrd witd lesss than camplete accurracy now and then. Humour, Tinkerntom. Humour. I thought I was being humorous also, thanks for the compliment! I am surre yu woold knot be able to figur oot what else important is going on or been saide if thar wert a sppeellen errorr. Some politicians carreers have fallen because of a simple misspelled word. Now for those who set around and read a dictionary all day for inspirational reading, cause they can't figure anything really significant to do than to be picky about other folks spelling errors If I had just jumped into RPB and made a joke about your spelling abilities, I'd have to agree with you. However, in light of the vast amounts of your verbiage that I have waded through on numerous occasions, you might be getting a tad carried away with this angle. Hey, you have asked questions that sometimes required an indepth discussion. If you want to keep it simple, ask simple questions! and can't make a positive constructive contribution to an ongoing discussion, then it should not surprise you when they would delight to bring down a decent and honorable man Humble too! I agree, he could have acted more humble, but then politicians running for high office aren't known for being humble, and the news media loves to find a weak point, and never let it go. I am sure that if you ask Dan, how to spell patato now, he would be able to tell you. So should we ask him to be president now, that he knows how to spell patato! because of a spelling error, in order to promote their own philanderer, and then think that the philanderer is a asset to the country and the world. Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your spelling of potato? No, but the media at the time sure had fun at Dan's expense, and used it to promote BillyBob, without really checking out some of the serious allegations about the latter. And then they act surprised about Monica. But such is how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame as the RBP. TnT Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun. Oh, we can be fun, but I prefer when discussing substantive issues with you, instead of my spelling, or for that matter yours, not becoming the subject. Sp flames are not particularly interesting. If it is critical for the content of the discussion, then clarify for clarity sake, otherwise figure it out. I have seen so many threads just break down into nit-picking ****ing contest. I know that you are able to discuss issues in a mature and thoughtful manner. I have gotten to know enough about you to know that you have alot to contribute to a discussion, and that you have a perspective that is valuable for me to hear. It is distressing and annoying when you get picky and penny ante, and I am inclined to just ignore you as I do a few others. There are times when we snipe at each other, and it can be fun, from the stand point that as we have gotten to know one another, we know each others hot buttons. Hopefully we do not do so to destroy the other person. I am sure that from your perspective of me going over the edge, while you are setting on your couch reading the dictionary, must look very humorous to a Martian checking out the local electronic binary data fields surrounding the Earth. Some of the quips are cute, clever, and funny, and then some are mean, nasty, and hurt. I would assume from what you have indicated about your respect for mankind, that you would not intentionally hurt another human being. Why would you do it mentally, and then claim it was fun. See I've gotten to know you to well, and I actually don't think you are such a bad guy! Respectfully TnT |
Tinkerntom wrote: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/20/05 2:03 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM: KMAN wrote: in article , Tinkerntom at wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM: KMAN wrote: "Melissa" wrote in message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi BCITORGB, On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote: Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF! Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be as offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed "go away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the former, even when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was definitely of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for effect, I admit, and I suppose it could have been easily misunderstood, so I do apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*. Besides, I only mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a "tactful" way to say it! ;-) - -- Melissa You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case, he's already "around the bend"... OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge. I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he is starting to look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-) Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do with what you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such big words, must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa reference...and why I made it? The name Dan Quail rings a bell! I'm glad you are around two make sure we don't all goe offf halfed cocked and spill a worrd witd lesss than camplete accurracy now and then. Humour, Tinkerntom. Humour. I thought I was being humorous also, thanks for the compliment! I am surre yu woold knot be able to figur oot what else important is going on or been saide if thar wert a sppeellen errorr. Some politicians carreers have fallen because of a simple misspelled word. Now for those who set around and read a dictionary all day for inspirational reading, cause they can't figure anything really significant to do than to be picky about other folks spelling errors If I had just jumped into RPB and made a joke about your spelling abilities, I'd have to agree with you. However, in light of the vast amounts of your verbiage that I have waded through on numerous occasions, you might be getting a tad carried away with this angle. Hey, you have asked questions that sometimes required an indepth discussion. If you want to keep it simple, ask simple questions! and can't make a positive constructive contribution to an ongoing discussion, then it should not surprise you when they would delight to bring down a decent and honorable man Humble too! I agree, he could have acted more humble, but then politicians running for high office aren't known for being humble, and the news media loves to find a weak point, and never let it go. I am sure that if you ask Dan, how to spell patato now, he would be able to tell you. So should we ask him to be president now, that he knows how to spell patato! because of a spelling error, in order to promote their own philanderer, and then think that the philanderer is a asset to the country and the world. Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your spelling of potato? No, but the media at the time sure had fun at Dan's expense, and used it to promote BillyBob, without really checking out some of the serious allegations about the latter. And then they act surprised about Monica. But such is how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame as the RBP. TnT Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun. Oh, we can be fun, but I prefer when discussing substantive issues with you, instead of my spelling, or for that matter yours, not becoming the subject. Sp flames are not particularly interesting. If it is critical for the content of the discussion, then clarify for clarity sake, otherwise figure it out. I have seen so many threads just break down into nit-picking ****ing contest. I know that you are able to discuss issues in a mature and thoughtful manner. I have gotten to know enough about you to know that you have alot to contribute to a discussion, and that you have a perspective that is valuable for me to hear. It is distressing and annoying when you get picky and penny ante, and I am inclined to just ignore you as I do a few others. There are times when we snipe at each other, and it can be fun, from the stand point that as we have gotten to know one another, we know each others hot buttons. Hopefully we do not do so to destroy the other person. I am sure that from your perspective of me going over the edge, while you are setting on your couch reading the dictionary, must look very humorous to a Martian checking out the local electronic binary data fields surrounding the Earth. Some of the quips are cute, clever, and funny, and then some are mean, nasty, and hurt. I would assume from what you have indicated about your respect for mankind, that you would not intentionally hurt another human being. Why would you do it mentally, and then claim it was fun. See I've gotten to know you to well, and I actually don't think you are such a bad guy! Respectfully TnT Here is something funny, I was checking out my post, and I still can't spell "potato!" I wanted to warn you so that you don't choke on patato, laughing! TnT |
in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 4:30 AM: snip Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your spelling of potato? No, but the media at the time sure had fun at Dan's expense, and used it to promote BillyBob, without really checking out some of the serious allegations about the latter. And then they act surprised about Monica. Billy Bob was hardly the first president to mess around. If George W isn't, it's probably only because he is so incredibly unappealing. But such is how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame as the RBP. TnT Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun. Oh, we can be fun, but I prefer when discussing substantive issues with you, instead of my spelling, or for that matter yours, not becoming the subject. Sp flames are not particularly interesting. It wasn't a flame, Tinkerntom. Your are getting quite wound up on this angle, when clearly if you look back over our umpteen questions, you can't make a case that I pick on your spelling. Had ANYONE made that particular spelling error, I could not have resisted a reference to the potatoe incident. If it is critical for the content of the discussion, then clarify for clarity sake, otherwise figure it out. I have seen so many threads just break down into nit-picking ****ing contest. Again, you are getting wound up over nothing. I know that you are able to discuss issues in a mature and thoughtful manner. I wasn't discussing an issue. I was having fun with a reference to the potatoe incident. I have gotten to know enough about you to know that you have alot to contribute to a discussion, and that you have a perspective that is valuable for me to hear. It is distressing and annoying when you get picky and penny ante, and I am inclined to just ignore you as I do a few others. Tinkerntom, by all means if you feel that you need to ignore me, go ahead, by why you would chose to do so on the basis of the potatoe joke will surely be a huge mystery. There are times when we snipe at each other, and it can be fun, from the stand point that as we have gotten to know one another, we know each others hot buttons. Hopefully we do not do so to destroy the other person. I am sure that from your perspective of me going over the edge, while you are setting on your couch reading the dictionary, must look very humorous to a Martian checking out the local electronic binary data fields surrounding the Earth. I don't think I even have a dictionary here, perhaps a scrabble dictionary somewhere. I don't use particular big words very often Tinkerntom. Some of the quips are cute, clever, and funny, and then some are mean, nasty, and hurt. I would assume from what you have indicated about your respect for mankind, that you would not intentionally hurt another human being. Why would you do it mentally, and then claim it was fun. See I've gotten to know you to well, and I actually don't think you are such a bad guy! Respectfully TnT What are we talking about here? The potatoe spelling? |
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