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Wolfgang, it's clear that when spelling is an issue [as in "In fact I
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BCITORGB wrote: Wolfgang, it's clear that when spelling is an issue [as in "In fact I am not familiar with The Monkees at all, though it seems that I may have heard of The Monkeys!"], what was intended as mld or subtle humor becomes hilarious. frtzw906 Hello frtwz906, I'm glad to afford you the opportunity for hilarity! I find many things to laugh about. Life is a kaleidoscope of humor, and we are inside the house of mirrors! Did you get a chance to check out those two links I left for you on one of our last post prior to the week end? I found them interesting in that they come from Alan Keyes who is as representative of the conservative religious right as you can get. I am wondering if anyone else on that side of the aisle has read his observations, and is takeing heed? I suspect that there is a ground swell already building. TnT |
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wrote on 3/14/05 11:36 PM: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi Tinkerntom, On 14 Mar 2005 20:16:06 -0800, you wrote: Did you get a chance to check out those two links I left for you on one of our last post prior to the week end? I found them interesting in that they come from Alan Keyes who is as representative of the conservative religious right as you can get. I am wondering if anyone else on that side of the aisle has read his observations, and is takeing heed? I suspect that there is a ground swell already building. When I get a chance I may find those links to have a look, but are you aware of the situation between Keyes and his lesbian daughter? Here's a Washington Post article about them: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Feb12.html Here's what Maya herself had to say about it: http://tinyurl.com/6g44n Sure, she's 19, and responsible for herself, but it wasn't until after she "came out" publicly about her sexual orientation that her parents decided to "cut her loose". Interesting "family values" at the very least. - -- Melissa Hey now Melissa, just because he has turned his back on his own daughter...if only Dick Cheney could feel the love of god as strongly as Alan Keyes, he'd kick his daughter to the curb too! But no, the best Dick can muster is to be quietly disapproving. Satan has made him weak, whereas the blood of Christ flows thorugh Alan's veins and gives him the strength to hate his own daughter. Religion is so beautiful! |
KMAN wrote: ....snip... Tinkerntom, as I am sure you are well aware, you and Scotty can do whatever you want with each other, and I am not interested in (nor seeking) to stand in your way. As for your command to mind my own business, this is a public newsgroup, and as Scotty would surely be the first to tell you, you don't have the right to control what I choose to comment on here. God hates you for your piety, Tinkerntom. And I have never tried to control what you "choose to comment on here." Ah, I must have interpreted your "mind your own business" speech inaccurately. That's right, you did, I can't control what you do, but I can choose to tell you what I think you should do. A big difference, but the subtleties are apparently too deep for your confused mind! In fact, if you chose to talk about God in a civil fashion, I can and would respond in kind in a semi-detached fashion. If you choose to make it personal, then I can make it very personal, that is my choice. Wow. I guess I am starting to understand that spreading god's love is all about threatening and trying to control people. Which is pretty much what religion is all about, and whether your are a victim or perpetrator, you're definitely part of the game Tinkerntom. I hope that you are beginning to understand, for I believe that you have been operating under a false understanding about God's Love. So many have the idea that God's Love is this nice warm fuzzy feeling that you get at certain holiday times with family and friends. However God's Love is far more than any of this. It is what compelled Jesus into this world to die, and to rise again in Victory over Sin and Death and Satan and his minions. The Love of God is the most powerful force, that created the Universe, and will someday recreate a New Heaven and a New Earth. The Love of God is what binds the Godhead together, and what reaches out to all of us to include us in the presence of the very Godhead someday! The Love of God compells men to reach out in Love to others whose hearts are so hard as to even find contempt for that very Love, but we reach out anyway. But this is a hard thing to understand I am sure. We are speaking of the greatest miracle of God, for we are told, "God is Love!" When we talk about the Love of God, we are talking about the very essence of God! Not something light and fluffy, that makes us feel warm and fuzzy! But something that becomes a consuming fire that burns from within. A fire that cannot be quenched! I can always choose to play or not, as can you as well, neither is in control, unless you desire someone to be in control, however even that is up to your choice. You say religion is all about control, and seem to be fixated on proving that you have no choice. Your very choice belies the claim that religion is all about control. You prove the antithesis of your theory, by your choice. Which all is a strawman arguement anyway, because I am not talking about religion at all. If you choose to talk about religion, that is your choice as well, and hence a free moral agent, personally responsible for the choices you make, and you can't even then offload your responsibility on religion. I have tried to lay out my thought process regarding different scenarios, so that you can regulate yourself, to determine the results that you desire, and find most comfortable to live with here in our little corner of cyberspace. Remember, the fool is someone who does something over and over, expecting different results! Sort of like someone who preaches about god even when the message is clear that the preaching is offensive to them? A preacher, as a soldier is under orders, does what he is told to do, even though it may seem that he is preaching to no avail, because he believes that God can intervene in the above equation. God + zero is a number that no super computer can calculate. God + 1 obediant servant can bring down any wall of wicked resistance, no matter what the odds, or how hardened the wall! If you choose to be a busy-body, and into everone elses personal business How am I into your personal business, Tinkerntom? Did I cyberstalk you (like you once did to me) and try to use information from outside this group to silence you? I haven't been in your personal business one bit. I would say that you have tried to silence me with your whining, lackluster logic, and some general nastiness. Even this comment is not offered to clarify any previous perceived wrong, but to silence me in the current conversation. And all of this current attempted intimidation is aimed at the proposed meeting between SW and myself, and trying to influence whether we get together or not. That is RL intimidation and has nothing to do with any proposed sanctity of cyberspace! If you open the door to the previous situation, we could go back and re-examine the disaster of your previous communications in other groups if you would like, otherwise I would recommend that we stay in the current conversation! And staying in the current converstion, I see no need to be silent! that says alot more about you, than anything else you may have to say on that subject in particular, and probably in general as well. Small minds make small comments and contributions to any society, including the RBP. If this is not the case with you, you are free to comment and show all of us otherwise Your god complex is showing again. Speak for yourself, not for "us all." Unless you've been elected Grand Priest of RBP and I never got my ballot. I can choose to speak for us all, that continue to hear your whining. The conclusions we draw will depend on our own position, though the whining itself without doubt speaks loudly! Others may choose to speak for themselves, and that is their choice as well, if they disagree with me! Hello, I don't hear anyone else! and you definitely don't "show all of us otherwise" either! that is definitely a choice that is up to you. Reminds me of another saying; Let men think you a fool, just don't speak, by opening your mouth, you leave no doubt! You've left no doubt. Nor have you! You are correct on one point though, you said God hates "piety". Two points. No, I said god hates YOU for your piety. Big difference. And I said you don't know what you are talking about! No matter what the difference! In that context, I am talking about the definition of piety that refers to hypocrisy. And your religious blather is the worst kind of hypocrisy. You throw in a "god loves you" and you think that will cover up your blatant hostility. It doesn't. It makes you pious hypocrite much like the priest preaching chastity while diddling the altar boy in the back room. Is that what happened to you? That would explain alot of the hostility, and I would have to agree with you, that is definitely hypocritical of the priest! But it does not change the fact that God does Love you. If you allow a hypocrite to stand between you and God, that only means that the hypocrite is closer to God than you are! There are many actors on the stage of Life, the problem is the play is for REAL! Are you playing for real, or are you a hypocrite? One, I always find it interesting when someone who does not believe in God seems to have a pretty good idea about what God likes and dislikes; pretty good imagination there about the invisible that does not exist. Which by logic, could not have likes and dislikes, and so would nullify your point in the first place. The fact that god exists only in your imagination does not mean that there is not satirical material to be had in reflecting your own delusions back onto you. An argument may be satirical, and provide a snicker, but it does not present a basis for a logical conclusion. If you desire to arrive at a logical conclusion, stick with a logical argument! Your point is still Null if you do not believe in God, independent of my imagination! Secondly to your point about piety. Piety is an act of devotion and reverence to God. If the act is performed for the purpose of establishing ones own righteousness, then God definitely hates it, because it sparates us from the righteousness that come from God, by believing in the finished work of Jesus on the Cross. The scripture says, "All our righteousness is like filthy rags!" So if we are depending on our own acts of piety and benevolence to get in God's favor and get close to Him, we would do better to grab a bunch of dirty old filthy rags and rap them up as a present for the King of Kings, and then should not be surprised when we are not allowed in His presence. For myself, I acknowledge that all I had to offer Him was a bundle of filthy rags, and I accepted Jesus as my Savior, He is now the source of my Righteousness. And now the greatest act of piety on my behalf is to crawl up in His lap, as a Son of God, a Child of the King, and say, I Love You Father. He delights in these acts of piety by His Children. God Loves you KMAN, and you are oh so close to the Kingdom! Are you in that Kingdom, Tinkerntom? If so, then without need for creating a deity of my own, I know that I want to be elsewhere. And you shall be elsewhere, if you continue on "the broad path that is easy, and leads to destruction!" However, I would point out that it is all His Kingdom, for He descended into Hades and took back the Keys of Hades and of Hell. Now He is enthroned at the right hand of the Father, where He reigns as King of Kings, and Lord of Lords! You are already in His Kingdom, albeit an unwilling servant whether you know it or not! However the day will come when every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that He is Lord of Lords, and King of Kings. I just figure its easier to do it now and be on the winning side, than to wait until it is to late and be on the whining side. There is not hostility here towards you KMAN You are oozing hostility. You can't putty over it with your "god loves you" blather. It's incredibly obvious. The Scriptures teach us that God hates sin, but Loves the Sinner. Yes I am very hostile to all that is hateful and wicked, and sinful. But I can still tell you that God Loves you KMAN, the sinner! And I am learning to Love you with His Love. No hostility to you, just your sin! You know that your religified blather isn't going to move me closer to whatever beliefs you share, so you also know that all your god talk is for no greater purpose than to satifsy your own personal issues, which I am guessing have mainly to do with serious questioning of your own self-worth. By investing in your delusions about your connection with a deity, you can disassociate from whatever nasty demons are ailing you. Talk about blather, say again, what was that! That sounds like pseudo-professional, doubtful, deceitful, double talk. A regular smoke screen! My conversation is not designed to move you or anyone. It is designed, if you so choose, to find yourself moved nearer to God. The choice is yours, not mine, and not based on my own self-worth, but the ascribed value that God placed upon me when He sent His Son to die for all of us, each one of us who believe! A value that cannot be conceived by the mind of any man! And certainly not imagined in the grandest delusions of any mind! but a deep sense of compassion for a wounded heart and soul. It's all about your wounded heart and soul, Tinkerntom. You use your religified blather to shield your already damaged psyche from the harsh light of reality. God Loved you before I came along to the RBP, and He heard that cry, and assigned me to be here for awhile to share His Love with you and others who come along. Ah! You are on a mission from god. You are "the chosen one." Why didn't you say so earlier? Because you didn't ask! and because you are incorrect! No, He is the Chosen One! I am glad to see that you are able to know the need for a Chosen One! I am just a sent one, He says, that He sends us out into the world, to sow seed, plant and water, and some to bring in the harvest. There are many of us. He also refers to us as fishers of men. My only claim to fame is that I am a Servant of the Most High God, and it is a privilege to work in His service as a farmer and a fisher of men. He heard your cry, and I am learning to hear it, and to know the Love of God that suppasses understanding, flowing through me like a River of Love flowing out to you with Springs of Living Water. I cannot imagine the terrible wounds that have been afflicted upon your heart and soul, to result in the cries that I hear, but God Knows, and Loves you, and can heal all those wounds and the broken heart! TnT The pain you are feeling is never going to be healed through this insanity, Tinkerntom. You need to confront your demons and do the work of healing within the harsh context of reality. Escaping your problems through this deity delusion is obviously forcing you to live increasingly in the confines of your imagination, divorcing you further and further from reality. Ultimately you will end up unable to return. Jesus already confronted my demons, and they hightailed it back to Hell where they belong. And Jesus healed me with the reality of His gentle touch, many times! And Jesus has set the captive free from all that binds and destroys the shattered dreams and broken soul. The spirit of the believer is set free to worship God as he was intended before the Fall, before the Foundation of the World, in the Beauty of Holiness. For the Word says, "Be ye Holy, for I am Holy", and God's word ascribes to us Holiness! "For you are now the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus!" Ultimately I will end up in His Glorious Presence, from which I shall never leave, nor want to return. My hope is to hear Him say, "Well done thou good and faithful servant!" I would also be glad to see you there on that glorious day, but the choice is yours! KMAN, God Loves you! TnT |
Melissa wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi Tinkerntom, On 14 Mar 2005 20:16:06 -0800, you wrote: Did you get a chance to check out those two links I left for you on one of our last post prior to the week end? I found them interesting in that they come from Alan Keyes who is as representative of the conservative religious right as you can get. I am wondering if anyone else on that side of the aisle has read his observations, and is takeing heed? I suspect that there is a ground swell already building. When I get a chance I may find those links to have a look, but are you aware of the situation between Keyes and his lesbian daughter? Here's a Washington Post article about them: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Feb12.html Here's what Maya herself had to say about it: http://tinyurl.com/6g44n Sure, she's 19, and responsible for herself, but it wasn't until after she "came out" publicly about her sexual orientation that her parents decided to "cut her loose". Interesting "family values" at the very least. - -- Melissa PGP Public Keys: http://www.willkayakforfood.tk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBQjZmLTEYqNTZBqoEAQPwyAP/cs+2tMJoDelccnLYFe32HjO/s5/fRgoT tY8kU9vLcuLRZg9zfCMxdP5cTbwGC281K6C4zydDonWhS8iepT PdO1K4fAhaOycs KmeFDYOqtPWOD6d16pP24SIGFQcxbtqj2PTongzJT8C3JGQjTO z7JmBu4Gu7P4wM zGiNnGCcQUE= =usfD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Melissa, that is a very good article, and shows how much hurt there is in the world even within a family. That it is a family that makes claims of high ideals, only highlights the difficult issues involved. This particular issue is very difficult because it strikes at the very heart of how people identify themselves. I have had to learn that when we base our identity in our own preconceived ideas, that someone always is hurt. It is only when we find our identity in Someone greater than ourselves that the healing can begin. There is no sin that the blood of Christ does not cover, and the sin of unforgiveness and self-righteousness required Christ to die just as dead, as for any other sin. When Maya's folks, find their identity in Christ, they will not be intimidated by the identity their daughter chooses for herself. So we need to pray for them all. I have included the links to Keyes web site, which were posted originally in regards to a discussion that frtzw906 and I were having about the involvement of the religious right in conservative politics. It is post # 1796 in the long thread that has been going on for awhile. http://tinyurl.com/5s3h6 http://tinyurl.com/62d7v I find that the religious right, is at best a fickle political bedfellow, and that there appears to be a rising ground swell of change in the attitude toward the "right". We will see what happens with it all. TnT |
KMAN wrote: in article , Melissa at wrote on 3/14/05 11:36 PM: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi Tinkerntom, On 14 Mar 2005 20:16:06 -0800, you wrote: Did you get a chance to check out those two links I left for you on one of our last post prior to the week end? I found them interesting in that they come from Alan Keyes who is as representative of the conservative religious right as you can get. I am wondering if anyone else on that side of the aisle has read his observations, and is takeing heed? I suspect that there is a ground swell already building. When I get a chance I may find those links to have a look, but are you aware of the situation between Keyes and his lesbian daughter? Here's a Washington Post article about them: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Feb12.html Here's what Maya herself had to say about it: http://tinyurl.com/6g44n Sure, she's 19, and responsible for herself, but it wasn't until after she "came out" publicly about her sexual orientation that her parents decided to "cut her loose". Interesting "family values" at the very least. - -- Melissa Hey now Melissa, just because he has turned his back on his own daughter...if only Dick Cheney could feel the love of god as strongly as Alan Keyes, he'd kick his daughter to the curb too! But no, the best Dick can muster is to be quietly disapproving. Satan has made him weak, whereas the blood of Christ flows thorugh Alan's veins and gives him the strength to hate his own daughter. Religion is so beautiful! Religion is ugly and a deadly poison. Jesus said I came to give you life, and to give it to you abundantly. So obviously they are two diffierent things, though some still can't seem to keep them separate! TnT |
"BCITORGB" wrote in message ups.com... Wolfgang, it's clear that when spelling is an issue [as in "In fact I am not familiar with The Monkees at all, though it seems that I may have heard of The Monkeys!"], what was intended as mld or subtle humor becomes hilarious. "Don't bother......they're here" :) Wolfgang |
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... KMAN wrote: ...snip... Tinkerntom, as I am sure you are well aware, you and Scotty can do whatever you want with each other, and I am not interested in (nor seeking) to stand in your way. As for your command to mind my own business, this is a public newsgroup, and as Scotty would surely be the first to tell you, you don't have the right to control what I choose to comment on here. God hates you for your piety, Tinkerntom. And I have never tried to control what you "choose to comment on here." Ah, I must have interpreted your "mind your own business" speech inaccurately. That's right, you did, I can't control what you do, but I can choose to tell you what I think you should do. A big difference, but the subtleties are apparently too deep for your confused mind! Mm, well Tinkerntom, I think it's obvious that you can't literally cage me up and lock the door, so "telling me what to do" is about all the control you can attempt. And that's what you've tried. In fact, if you chose to talk about God in a civil fashion, I can and would respond in kind in a semi-detached fashion. If you choose to make it personal, then I can make it very personal, that is my choice. Wow. I guess I am starting to understand that spreading god's love is all about threatening and trying to control people. Which is pretty much what religion is all about, and whether your are a victim or perpetrator, you're definitely part of the game Tinkerntom. I hope that you are beginning to understand, for I believe that you have been operating under a false understanding about God's Love. No, I understand it perfectly, and you represent it perfectly. many have the idea that God's Love is this nice warm fuzzy feeling that you get at certain holiday times with family and friends. However God's Love is far more than any of this. It is what compelled Jesus into this world to die, and to rise again in Victory over Sin and Death and Satan and his minions. The Love of God is the most powerful force, that created the Universe, and will someday recreate a New Heaven and a New Earth. Can you give us the date? The Love of God is what binds the Godhead together, and what reaches out to all of us to include us in the presence of the very Godhead someday! The Love of God compells men to reach out in Love to others whose hearts are so hard as to even find contempt for that very Love, but we reach out anyway. But this is a hard thing to understand I am sure. We are speaking of the greatest miracle of God, for we are told, "God is Love!" When we talk about the Love of God, we are talking about the very essence of God! Not something light and fluffy, that makes us feel warm and fuzzy! But something that becomes a consuming fire that burns from within. A fire that cannot be quenched! yawn I can always choose to play or not, as can you as well, neither is in control, unless you desire someone to be in control, however even that is up to your choice. You say religion is all about control, and seem to be fixated on proving that you have no choice. Er, no, Tinkerntom, I've never said any such thing. I've explained that most deity belief systems utilize a threat/reward system to control their followers. As I am not a follower, this problem does not apply to me in the least. Your very choice belies the claim that religion is all about control. You prove the antithesis of your theory, by your choice. Mm, no, clearly religious systems are not successful in controlling everyone. However, many have been successful enough to accumulate significant wealth and wield significant power. Which all is a strawman arguement anyway, because I am not talking about religion at all. If you choose to talk about religion, that is your choice as well, and hence a free moral agent, personally responsible for the choices you make, and you can't even then offload your responsibility on religion. "Religion" as I discuss it simply refers to a system of power based in deity belief. I have tried to lay out my thought process regarding different scenarios, so that you can regulate yourself, to determine the results that you desire, and find most comfortable to live with here in our little corner of cyberspace. Remember, the fool is someone who does something over and over, expecting different results! Sort of like someone who preaches about god even when the message is clear that the preaching is offensive to them? A preacher, as a soldier is under orders, does what he is told to do, even though it may seem that he is preaching to no avail, because he believes that God can intervene in the above equation. God + zero is a number that no super computer can calculate. God + 1 obediant servant can bring down any wall of wicked resistance, no matter what the odds, or how hardened the wall! I'll take that as a "yes." If you choose to be a busy-body, and into everone elses personal business How am I into your personal business, Tinkerntom? Did I cyberstalk you (like you once did to me) and try to use information from outside this group to silence you? I haven't been in your personal business one bit. I would say that you have tried to silence me with your whining, lackluster logic, and some general nastiness. That's all very debatable, but you will recall that your claim was that I was into your "personal business." Try to stick with something for once. How am I into your personal business? Even this comment is not offered to clarify any previous perceived wrong, but to silence me in the current conversation. Tinkerntom, you've got to be joking. I daresay it is painfully clear that your piehole remains open regardless of the events around you. And all of this current attempted intimidation is aimed at the proposed meeting between SW and myself, and trying to influence whether we get together or not. Again, you must be joking. You are a match made in heaven. Nobody cares. Get together. Make love in the afternoon sun next to the creek. Be happy! That is RL intimidation and has nothing to do with any proposed sanctity of cyberspace! What are you yapping about? What RL intimidation?!?!? If you open the door to the previous situation, we could go back and re-examine the disaster of your previous communications in other groups if you would like Go ahead Tinkerntom, you remember what happened last time. You have no clue as to the context of any of the materials you posted, and one of the people you assumed to be some sort of enemy of mine advised you to "suck his hairy balls." So, if you want more of that, go ahead. But again, it is interesting to see that you have just resorted to a threat, yet again. I've made no such threats towards you. otherwise I would recommend that we stay in the current conversation! And staying in the current converstion, I see no need to be silent! What a shock. that says alot more about you, than anything else you may have to say on that subject in particular, and probably in general as well. Small minds make small comments and contributions to any society, including the RBP. If this is not the case with you, you are free to comment and show all of us otherwise Your god complex is showing again. Speak for yourself, not for "us all." Unless you've been elected Grand Priest of RBP and I never got my ballot. I can choose to speak for us all As someone who is delusional and afflicted with a god complex, yes. that continue to hear your whining. What am I whining about Tinkerntom? The conclusions we draw will depend on our own position, though the whining itself without doubt speaks loudly! Others may choose to speak for themselves, and that is their choice as well, if they disagree with me! Hello, I don't hear anyone else! and you definitely don't "show all of us otherwise" either! Well Tinkerntom, you haven't been elected to represent the group through any process I've seen, but of course you can continue whatever fanciful activities you wish. that is definitely a choice that is up to you. Reminds me of another saying; Let men think you a fool, just don't speak, by opening your mouth, you leave no doubt! You've left no doubt. Nor have you! Geezus, with all that imagination you'd think you'd have a better retort. You are correct on one point though, you said God hates "piety". Two points. No, I said god hates YOU for your piety. Big difference. And I said you don't know what you are talking about! No matter what the difference! Wow! Another amazing retort! And you used exclamation marks! In that context, I am talking about the definition of piety that refers to hypocrisy. And your religious blather is the worst kind of hypocrisy. You throw in a "god loves you" and you think that will cover up your blatant hostility. It doesn't. It makes you pious hypocrite much like the priest preaching chastity while diddling the altar boy in the back room. Is that what happened to you? No, but trust you to try to exploit such an idea. The love of god eh? Try the hostility of a petty hateful man. That would explain alot of the hostility, and I would have to agree with you, that is definitely hypocritical of the priest! But it does not change the fact that God does Love you. If you allow a hypocrite to stand between you and God, that only means that the hypocrite is closer to God than you are! There are many actors on the stage of Life, the problem is the play is for REAL! Are you playing for real, or are you a hypocrite? For real, Tinkerntom. God is only a figment of your twisted imagination. Reality is much more work, try it and see. It can also be much more rewarding than fantasy. One, I always find it interesting when someone who does not believe in God seems to have a pretty good idea about what God likes and dislikes; pretty good imagination there about the invisible that does not exist. Which by logic, could not have likes and dislikes, and so would nullify your point in the first place. The fact that god exists only in your imagination does not mean that there is not satirical material to be had in reflecting your own delusions back onto you. An argument may be satirical, and provide a snicker, but it does not present a basis for a logical conclusion. If you desire to arrive at a logical conclusion, stick with a logical argument! Your point is still Null if you do not believe in God, independent of my imagination! There is no logical starting point for your fantastical rantings. Secondly to your point about piety. Piety is an act of devotion and reverence to God. If the act is performed for the purpose of establishing ones own righteousness, then God definitely hates it, because it sparates us from the righteousness that come from God, by believing in the finished work of Jesus on the Cross. The scripture says, "All our righteousness is like filthy rags!" So if we are depending on our own acts of piety and benevolence to get in God's favor and get close to Him, we would do better to grab a bunch of dirty old filthy rags and rap them up as a present for the King of Kings, and then should not be surprised when we are not allowed in His presence. For myself, I acknowledge that all I had to offer Him was a bundle of filthy rags, and I accepted Jesus as my Savior, He is now the source of my Righteousness. And now the greatest act of piety on my behalf is to crawl up in His lap, as a Son of God, a Child of the King, and say, I Love You Father. He delights in these acts of piety by His Children. God Loves you KMAN, and you are oh so close to the Kingdom! Are you in that Kingdom, Tinkerntom? If so, then without need for creating a deity of my own, I know that I want to be elsewhere. And you shall be elsewhere Hurray! if you continue on "the broad path that is easy, and leads to destruction!" However, I would point out that it is all His Kingdom, for He descended into Hades and took back the Keys of Hades and of Hell. Now He is enthroned at the right hand of the Father, where He reigns as King of Kings, and Lord of Lords! You are already in His Kingdom, albeit an unwilling servant whether you know it or not! However the day will come when every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that He is Lord of Lords, and King of Kings. I just figure its easier to do it now and be on the winning side, than to wait until it is to late and be on the whining side. yawn There is not hostility here towards you KMAN You are oozing hostility. You can't putty over it with your "god loves you" blather. It's incredibly obvious. The Scriptures teach us that God hates sin, but Loves the Sinner. Yes I am very hostile to all that is hateful and wicked, and sinful. But I can still tell you that God Loves you KMAN, the sinner! And I am learning to Love you with His Love. No hostility to you, just your sin! ROFL. Again, you are behaving exactly as expected. You are full of hate, but you feel that your hate can be justified through your belief in an invisible entity. Amazing, disturbing, and yet typical of religious belief systems. You know that your religified blather isn't going to move me closer to whatever beliefs you share, so you also know that all your god talk is for no greater purpose than to satifsy your own personal issues, which I am guessing have mainly to do with serious questioning of your own self-worth. By investing in your delusions about your connection with a deity, you can disassociate from whatever nasty demons are ailing you. Talk about blather, say again, what was that! That sounds like pseudo-professional, doubtful, deceitful, double talk. A regular smoke screen! My conversation is not designed to move you or anyone. It is designed, if you so choose, to find yourself moved nearer to God. The choice is yours, not mine, and not based on my own self-worth, but the ascribed value that God placed upon me when He sent His Son to die for all of us, each one of us who believe! A value that cannot be conceived by the mind of any man! And certainly not imagined in the grandest delusions of any mind! yawn but a deep sense of compassion for a wounded heart and soul. It's all about your wounded heart and soul, Tinkerntom. You use your religified blather to shield your already damaged psyche from the harsh light of reality. God Loved you before I came along to the RBP, and He heard that cry, and assigned me to be here for awhile to share His Love with you and others who come along. Ah! You are on a mission from god. You are "the chosen one." Why didn't you say so earlier? Because you didn't ask! and because you are incorrect! No, He is the Chosen One! I am glad to see that you are able to know the need for a Chosen One! I think it was Eddie Murphy in The Golden Child. I am just a sent one, He says, that He sends us out into the world, to sow seed, plant and water, and some to bring in the harvest. There are many of us. He also refers to us as fishers of men. My only claim to fame is that I am a Servant of the Most High God, and it is a privilege to work in His service as a farmer and a fisher of men. yawn He heard your cry, and I am learning to hear it, and to know the Love of God that suppasses understanding, flowing through me like a River of Love flowing out to you with Springs of Living Water. I cannot imagine the terrible wounds that have been afflicted upon your heart and soul, to result in the cries that I hear, but God Knows, and Loves you, and can heal all those wounds and the broken heart! TnT The pain you are feeling is never going to be healed through this insanity, Tinkerntom. You need to confront your demons and do the work of healing within the harsh context of reality. Escaping your problems through this deity delusion is obviously forcing you to live increasingly in the confines of your imagination, divorcing you further and further from reality. Ultimately you will end up unable to return. Jesus already confronted my demons, and they hightailed it back to Hell where they belong. And Jesus healed me with the reality of His gentle touch, many times! And Jesus has set the captive free from all that binds and destroys the shattered dreams and broken soul. The spirit of the believer is set free to worship God as he was intended before the Fall, before the Foundation of the World, in the Beauty of Holiness. For the Word says, "Be ye Holy, for I am Holy", and God's word ascribes to us Holiness! "For you are now the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus!" Ultimately I will end up in His Glorious Presence, from which I shall never leave, nor want to return. My hope is to hear Him say, "Well done thou good and faithful servant!" I would also be glad to see you there on that glorious day, but the choice is yours! KMAN, God Loves you! TnT yawn Get well soon, Tinkerntom. |
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message oups.com... KMAN wrote: in article , Melissa at wrote on 3/14/05 11:36 PM: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi Tinkerntom, On 14 Mar 2005 20:16:06 -0800, you wrote: Did you get a chance to check out those two links I left for you on one of our last post prior to the week end? I found them interesting in that they come from Alan Keyes who is as representative of the conservative religious right as you can get. I am wondering if anyone else on that side of the aisle has read his observations, and is takeing heed? I suspect that there is a ground swell already building. When I get a chance I may find those links to have a look, but are you aware of the situation between Keyes and his lesbian daughter? Here's a Washington Post article about them: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Feb12.html Here's what Maya herself had to say about it: http://tinyurl.com/6g44n Sure, she's 19, and responsible for herself, but it wasn't until after she "came out" publicly about her sexual orientation that her parents decided to "cut her loose". Interesting "family values" at the very least. - -- Melissa Hey now Melissa, just because he has turned his back on his own daughter...if only Dick Cheney could feel the love of god as strongly as Alan Keyes, he'd kick his daughter to the curb too! But no, the best Dick can muster is to be quietly disapproving. Satan has made him weak, whereas the blood of Christ flows thorugh Alan's veins and gives him the strength to hate his own daughter. Religion is so beautiful! Religion is ugly and a deadly poison. Jesus said I came to give you life, and to give it to you abundantly. So obviously they are two diffierent things, though some still can't seem to keep them separate! TnT Religion is the term that describes how human beings apply deity belief to real world practices. It's all about power and control. And it is ugly. |
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