On 12-Feb-2005, "Tinkerntom" wrote:

It is the public schools sector that teaches all
this enlightened scientific stuff to the exclusion of the Christian
perspective,

Sorry, but the government mandates for teaching cretinism... er
creationism applies to public schools.

Mike

On 13-Feb-2005, "BCITORGB" wrote:

right. but as we all know, "right-wing" by danish standards hardly
equates with right-wing in the USA.

Maybe. They did appoint Lomberg as environment minister (he's the guy
that claims that pollution is ok). The current noise in Denmark is
over shutting out immigrants, reinforcing the view that
"right wing" = "hate immigrants".

Mike

LOL

Mike said:
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They did appoint Lomberg as environment minister (he's the guy
that claims that pollution is ok). The current noise in Denmark is
over shutting out immigrants, reinforcing the view that
"right wing" = "hate immigrants".
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i was reluctant to bring up the "immigration" issue because, too often
in europe, right-wing rather equates to foreigner hate as opposed to
conservative economics.

this relates, i fear to my earlier post about fundamentalist nutbars of
all stripes. in the cases of denmark and in the netherlands, very
progrssive and tolerant people have been driven into the arms of the
right-wing hate mongers because islamic fundamentalists have abused the
ever-so tolerant welcomes (i'd welcome wilko's perspective on this).

as i see it, denmark and holland are current manifestations of every
small="L" liberal's dilemma -- we can tolerate just about anything
expect intolerance.

as i see the dutch situation (the recent killings of right-wing
politician and playwright) the dutch, with their multi-pillar approach
to society were fairly tolerant of islamic refugees/immigrants...
however, it was when the islamics decided that the system was too
tolerant for their religious belief and started agitating for change
that the dutch populace turned...

i liken it to someone coming into the usa and trying to change the
constitution (outside of the normal amendment process). this tolerance
was a cornerstone of what defined the netherlands: it was not
negotiable.

my view (and i stand to be corrected) was that the upsurge of the
right-wing can be attributed to pig-headed fundamentalism (in this case
islamic).

again, i'm of the impression that the danish situation is a parallel.

frtzw906

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
oups.com...
TnT says:
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Granted there
may be some oligarchs that profit hansomly, but always at the
expense
of the masses, who eventually,
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now you're talking! that's exactly one of my points!

"some oligarchs that profit hansomly" -- does that sounf
familiar? have
you been drinking the kool-aid to the point you can't tell what
your
economy looks like.

TnT says:
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Have you been in the stinkhole of Socialism so long you can't
smell the
difference any longer?
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you still haven't defined why canada, in your opinion, may be
classified as "socialist" and the usa not. please give me
specifics
rather than throwing labels around indiscriminantly.
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Socilaist. Is that another 5-letter word to canadians? Oh wait,
maybe an 8-letter word.
Great education system you got there, eh? So, you don't teach
math and english, that must
mean all the time is spent in jingoistic
indoctrination.(questioning inflection)







TnT says:
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"We in USA
deserved 9/11!" TnT
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i believe it was one of your own nutbar, FC leaders who said
the usa
deserved it because of loose morals or some such tripe. c'mon
TnT,
think these things through....

frtzw906

A Usenet persona calling itself BCITORGB wrote:

Comrade Weiser states:
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The last thing you guys need is cowboy bravado.

It's served us pretty well so far, I see no need to change.
========================

Bravado: the last desparate actions of the vanquished (also an
indication of a waning intellect with nothing of substance to
contribute).

Winning poker hands often involves bluff and bravado.

Of course, the best bluff is one that's backed up with very real force, as
ours is.
--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

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Therein lies the problem, Evolutionism is based on an underlying
philosophy called Uniformatarianism, not a scientific method at all.
Just the assumtion that processes follow one after the other. Makes
understanding thing much easier. The only problem is that the evidence
does not bare this out. The uniformatarian scientist just went out and
found info that supported there position, and ignored info that did
not. Sort of like picking yourself up by your boot straps. And hence
uniformatarianism has fallen into disrepute in many quarters, and the
superstructure of evolution abandoned by many scientist.


No, it isn't. Evolution is, once again, scientific theory. More
importantly, it is a unifying theory which has been supported by many, a
great many, of scientific disciplines. This includes the following:

- anthropology
- geology
- genetics
- biology, biochemistry, and all other bio sciences
- chemistry

And the list goes on.

Your "uniformatiarian scientist" does not exist. You may have some
religious zealot making up words for scientists, but there isn't any
branch, individual, nor philosophy that fits this description.

Another philosophy has become more acceptable recently in the
scientific community called Catastrophism. This basically says that
cataclismic events occurred in the course of history that completely
changed the course of history. Radical events and elements have been
injected into the course of history that have determined where we are
today. These events would make following any uniform record impossible.
Hence though the dinosaur records are interesting, they are not
complete, and cannot be relied on for scientific information. Even such
test procedures as C-14 dating etc would not be considered reliable.


I see. Since it is convenient, we ignore scientific evidence and say,
"it is interesting." Since you seem incapable of understanding the
basics of these fields, mythology is much more meaningful for you. How
pathetic.

I remember reading one of these pamphlets which claimed that they carbon
dated a live insect and the result was wildly inaccurate. But, you
should know that you cannot get an accurate C-14 result on a live
animal. This does not invalidate carbon dating, it merely proves that
the indviduals involved attempted to use "spin" to convince the
unwitting of their political agenda.

Rick

rick states:
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Great education system you got there, eh? So, you don't teach
math and english, that must
mean all the time is spent in jingoistic
indoctrination.(questioning inflection)
==========

there must be a deficiency somewhere because your post is completely
incomprehensible to me... the problem lies either at your end or mine.
perhaps some americans could translate for me.

frtzw906

Michael Daly wrote:

On 12-Feb-2005, Rick wrote:


When you invent your time
machine and make those observations, please send us a report


We have something of a time machine - the observable universe.
Since information takes time to travel, the farther away we
look, the further back in time we see. Hence, what we see
close by happened recently and what we observe far away happened
in the distant past.

Mike

Good point. It is assumed that if you could get far enough away from the
center of the universe, with a powerful enough observation device, you
could see the big bang (or whatever was responsible for the origin of
the universe) occur. The problem is, of course, getting there.

Rick

BCITORGB wrote:
rick states:
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Great education system you got there, eh? So, you don't teach
math and english, that must
mean all the time is spent in jingoistic
indoctrination.(questioning inflection)
==========

there must be a deficiency somewhere because your post is completely
incomprehensible to me... the problem lies either at your end or
mine.
perhaps some americans could translate for me.

frtzw906

Hi Frtzw906, I'm here for a short bit, and I'll try to translate. Our
friend "R" is sort of mixed up. He jumps into this discussion and
lashes out at everyone, no matter what side of the discussion your on.
I think he is angry at everyone, basically, he doesn't know whether
he's coming or going, just so he gets some response. I've noted this
behavior before, and try not to let it bother me. But then according to
some, I'm a great one to call the kettle black! TnT