Jr Gilbreath wrote:


The same people that are screaming about this, and that it is Welcome to
1984 folks" had no problem when Billy and Hilly were using the FBI files
to spy on private citizens. Plus they don't know the difference between
loose and lose.

Marley wrote:

Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26,
2004, authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually
total control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial
waters of the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may
be used, or is susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban
territorial waters".

Translation: If the "authorities" believe for any reason that you are
THINKING about or are able to visit Cuba, you loose your boat.
Yup...the authorities are now MIND READERS. And once they read your
mind they act accordingly. I would venture to say that ANY boat is
"susceptible of being used to visit Cuba, wouldn't you?

Don't believe it? Here's it is striaght from the horses ass...err...mouth

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

Welcome to 1984 folks.

Dear Jr Gilbreath,

1) I don't give a rat's ass about politics. Bush, Gore, Clinton, I
simply couldnt care less. I am neither democrat or republican. You can
try to turn this into a Dems vs. Rep. issue if you want to...doesn't
change the law one bit though.

2) OBVIOUSLY since I typed an extra O when spelling lose..the entire
statement made is negated. OBVIOUSLY that extra O completely erradicates
any opinion offered. OBVIOUSLY, the law as posted on the whitehouse web
site doesn't really exist, since I acidently added an extra O to word
lose. By the way Jr Gilbreath, just in case you are as thick as your
post suggests, try a google of the word sarcasm).

It's remarkable what you, who feel that you need to be RIGHT in spite of
the obvious FACTS presented (
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html ), will accept
as proof that you are right.

Here Jr Gilbreath, let me help:

In spite of the fact that lawyers no doubt spent months writing and
rewriting this law, in spite of the fac that Resident GWB signed this
into law, he doesn't really mean it. You can tell because I added an
extra O to the word lose. OBVIOUSLy that proves that the law as written
and published by the whitehouse is meaningless. They are just kidding ok?

Feel better now Jr Gilbreath ?

This law has nothing whatsoever to do with protecting our waters. It is a
blockade to keep people from this country or any other country from
traveling to the country of their choice. Sounds like the Berlin Wall
doesn't it.

"JimH" wrote in message
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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
...
"Marley" wrote in message
A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26,
2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial
waters
of
the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used,
or
is
susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial waters".

You have a problem with that? Why?

Yes Jim, I have a problem with that. My reason for the problem is the
wording that says that Bush authorizes the total control over any vessel,
"foreign" or domestic. I have no problem with the domestic boat but it
is
the foreign vessel that creates the problem for me.

I do cruise to Cuba. I have been there many times. I am a Canadian
Citizen and my boat is Canadian Registry. My government allows me to
travel
to Cuba. My government has trade and diplomatic relations with Cuba.
Why
should a foreign government take control of my boat if I want to go to
Cuba?
That is a terrorism and piracy.

Jim



Because they may not know your intentions.

When was the last time a Canadian privately owned boat was confiscated by
the US? Why don't we have an right to protect our waters based on our
laws
and regulations?

Don't like it? Travel to Cuba via waters not owned and under legal
control
of the US.

Yep, I remember when it use to be illegal to confiscate private property, but the gov
said it would only confiscate drug money and property, well we see what happened there.
City's are confiscating cars racing, and if you are cough with a lot of money, you may
loose it to, though you have it legally. Seizure laws should be repealed.
Harbin


"Calif Bill" wrote in message k.net...

"Marley" wrote in message
...
Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters
of the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used,
or is susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial
waters".

Translation: If the "authorities" believe for any reason that you are
THINKING about or are able to visit Cuba, you loose your boat. Yup...the
authorities are now MIND READERS. And once they read your mind they act
accordingly. I would venture to say that ANY boat is "susceptible of
being used to visit Cuba, wouldn't you?

Don't believe it? Here's it is striaght from the horses ass...err...mouth

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

Welcome to 1984 folks.

Same thing has been used for years in the name of drug and prostitution
enforcement.

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:05:39 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Don White wrote:
"Marley" wrote in message
...

Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters


snip

The Land of the Free indeed!
They would have to pry my tiller from my cold dead fingers.


We're going fascist here...it's the latest thing.

Krause, you're a ****ing liar.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Internationally Acclaimed Education theorist and current Prof. Irwin
Corey Chair at the University of Alice Springs, K. Smith wrote:

You really should grow up a bit, this genuinely is a winner takes
all war, the reason you don't fully understand is that your admin has
successfully protected you from further attacks since 911.

Do grace us with yet more of your wisdom Oh esteemed one. Who did
attack the bldgs in New York and Washington?

I understand Paul, I was making a joke.
This subject has been flogged to death on the newsgroup in the past and I
really do not want to take part in the thread.
The "discussions" I've had the pleasure (???) of observing or participating
in concerning the current administration has proven to me that the loyalty
our 2 party system garners is nothing short of incredible and there is
absolutely no room for "balance".
MMC
"Paul Schilter" wrote in message
...
MMC,
Copy and pasted from the site:

"Sec. 4. The Secretary may seek assistance from State and local
authorities in carrying out the purposes of this proclamation. Because
State and local assistance may be essential for an effective response to
this emergency, I urge all State and local officials to cooperate with
Federal authorities and to take all actions within their lawful authority
necessary to prevent the unauthorized departure of vessels intending to
enter Cuban territorial waters."

I would imagine they would have to prove "intent". If you were cruising
the coast of southern Florida it probably wouldn't be a problem. If you
were headed directly for Cuba and were getting close to their waters that
might be a different situation.
Paul


MMC wrote:
Enforcing drugs and prostitution? Sounds like Amsterdam!
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...

"Marley" wrote in message
. com...

Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

A Proclamation made by US President George W. Bush on February 26, 2004,
authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to take virtually total
control over any vessel, foreign or domestic, in the territorial waters
of the United States, if the authorities feel that vessel "may be used,
or is susceptible of being used, for voyage into Cuban territorial

waters".

Translation: If the "authorities" believe for any reason that you are
THINKING about or are able to visit Cuba, you loose your boat. Yup...the
authorities are now MIND READERS. And once they read your mind they act
accordingly. I would venture to say that ANY boat is "susceptible of
being used to visit Cuba, wouldn't you?

Don't believe it? Here's it is striaght from the horses
ass...err...mouth

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...040226-11.html

Welcome to 1984 folks.

Same thing has been used for years in the name of drug and prostitution
enforcement.

Jim,
The BS law that's the subject of this thread makes no more sense than when
the US was making threatening noises towards countries conducting business
and allowing travel to Cuba. It has absolutely nothing to do with security.
From following your posts, I can see that you really don't understand the
actual reason behind this law. It's the very loud Cuban-American voting
block and the fact that the rest of the country doesn't care enough to get
the 40 year old (failed) embargo lifted.
We're now "pals" with both Russia (which has sent us all their worst
criminals) and China (who has almost done away with US made goods); yet we
still have a hard on for Cuba? Give me a break.
There's a saying, "Unless you're the lead sheep, the view is always the
same".
MMC

"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Marley" wrote in message
...
Proclamation Restricts Rights of Boats in US Waters

snip

The Land of the Free indeed!
They would have to pry my tiller from my cold dead fingers.



If you were piloting a boat in time of war in the US.....and your boat was
needed to thwart an attack.... and you resisted....you may very well be
dead.

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:49:00 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:



Same thing has been used for years in the name of drug and prostitution
enforcement.

I don't think either of those things happen on my boat more than three
of four times a season.

Killjoys.

R.

I know of a few people up in Maine that don't think that's too bad a view.
EG

-W

"MMC" wrote in message news:CDVKd.10061

There's a saying, "Unless you're the lead sheep, the view is always the
same".

What ever happened ot the 70's when trading sex for drugs happened all the
time?
Anyone with enough blow could always get laid, right?

-W

"rhys" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:49:00 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:



Same thing has been used for years in the name of drug and prostitution
enforcement.

I don't think either of those things happen on my boat more than three
of four times a season.

Killjoys.

R.