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NOYB wrote:

Let's get back on topic here, Doug...

Let's answer the question, NOBBY. Or do you realize that even a
less-than-totally-factual answer will reveal the hollowness of your position?



Do you think it's acceptable for foreign entities to skirt our election laws
via a loophole which allows soliciting campaign advertising contributions
over the internet?

"Acceptable"? WTF?? Is it legal? Yes. Is it a good idea? Personally, I don't
think so, but on a moral scale including such quantifiables as 'starting a war &
killing tens of thousands of people for the profit of private interests', it's
not even on the map.


It's a scary thought if Americans are limited as to how
much they can donate towards a candidate's campaign...but non-American
people, companies, and governments can spend an unlimited amount that will
go towards advertising for a specific candidate.

heh heh is that why BushCo is encouraging corporate flight to offshore tax
shelters? So far he seems to be a record-setting campaign contribution
harvester.... a lean mean moneygrubbin' machine!

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

Let's get back on topic here, Doug...

Let's answer the question, NOBBY. Or do you realize that even a
less-than-totally-factual answer will reveal the hollowness of your
position?


What question?




Do you think it's acceptable for foreign entities to skirt our election
laws
via a loophole which allows soliciting campaign advertising
contributions
over the internet?

"Acceptable"? WTF?? Is it legal? Yes.

For now.

Is it a good idea? Personally, I don't
think so

Good.

but on a moral scale including such quantifiables as 'starting a war &
killing tens of thousands of people for the profit of private interests',
it's
not even on the map.

Oh ****...here we go again. Do you and Harry read from the same manual?
Every time those on the left are caught doing something shady, the argument
changes to "well that's not as bad as...."






It's a scary thought if Americans are limited as to how
much they can donate towards a candidate's campaign...but non-American
people, companies, and governments can spend an unlimited amount that
will
go towards advertising for a specific candidate.

heh heh is that why BushCo is encouraging corporate flight to offshore tax
shelters?

WTF are you talking about? The exodus of manufacturing jobs started long
before Bush took office. No new legislation has been passed in the past 3
years that would "encourage corporate flight to offshore tax shelters".


So far he seems to be a record-setting campaign contribution
harvester.... a lean mean moneygrubbin' machine!

His money is raised domestically...acquired from people that actually have
the constitutional right to vote for him. That's a far cry from a
non-American trying to buy the U.S. Government.

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NOYB wrote:

"Acceptable"? WTF?? Is it legal? Yes.

For now.

heh heh when will BushCo think up something really keen, like making it illegal
to make a campaign contribution to the Democrat Party. That should cover the
bases.

BTW you are terrible at dodging questions that show you up. -10 pts. Or are you
willing to answer the question about sedition, especially the parts about
various seditious & treasonous right-wing actions & speeches?



but on a moral scale including such quantifiables as 'starting a war &
killing tens of thousands of people for the profit of private interests',
it's
not even on the map.

Oh ****...here we go again. Do you and Harry read from the same manual?

Why do you try to link me with Harry? I don't know him and don't agree with many
of the things he posts here, in fact I rarely read his posts. Do you think there
are libby-rull terrorists hiding under your bed? Maybe they replaced the Commies
after Reagan chased the pinkos out?


Every time those on the left are caught doing something shady, the argument
changes to "well that's not as bad as...."

It matches the chorus from the right-wing whackos about how immoral Clinton
is/was.

And it certainly doesn't get you any points to dodge yet another uncomfortable
issue.



heh heh is that why BushCo is encouraging corporate flight to offshore tax
shelters?

WTF are you talking about? The exodus of manufacturing jobs started long
before Bush took office.

Yep. And it has sped up dramatically since 2001.
That's WTF I'm talking about.
Is that clear enough for you?




So far he seems to be a record-setting campaign contribution
harvester.... a lean mean moneygrubbin' machine!

His money is raised domestically...acquired from people that actually have
the constitutional right to vote for him.

And corporations, let's not forget them. BTW are you *sure* that 100% of Bush's
campaign contributions come from U.S. backers?

Bush & Cheney... the finest Executive Branch money can buy!


DSK

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NOYB wrote:

January 4, 2004

SIMON WIESENTHAL CENTER CRITICIZES MOVEON.ORG FOR POSTING AD COMPARING BUSH
TO HITLER

The Simon Wiesenthal Center sharply criticized MoveOn.org for accepting and
posting an ad comparing President George Bush to Adolf Hitler.


Indeed. Although they're both odious, Hitler takes the prize. And on
another level, the comparison isn't fair: Hitler was smarter than Bush.


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"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Acceptable"? WTF?? Is it legal? Yes.

For now.

heh heh when will BushCo think up something really keen, like making it
illegal
to make a campaign contribution to the Democrat Party. That should cover
the
bases.

BTW you are terrible at dodging questions that show you up. -10 pts. Or
are you
willing to answer the question about sedition, especially the parts about
various seditious & treasonous right-wing actions & speeches?



but on a moral scale including such quantifiables as 'starting a war &
killing tens of thousands of people for the profit of private
interests',
it's
not even on the map.

Oh ****...here we go again. Do you and Harry read from the same manual?

Why do you try to link me with Harry? I don't know him and don't agree
with many
of the things he posts here, in fact I rarely read his posts. Do you think
there
are libby-rull terrorists hiding under your bed? Maybe they replaced the
Commies
after Reagan chased the pinkos out?


Every time those on the left are caught doing something shady, the
argument
changes to "well that's not as bad as...."

It matches the chorus from the right-wing whackos about how immoral
Clinton
is/was.

See? Another example of "well, that's not as bad as..." You just can't
help yourself.



And it certainly doesn't get you any points to dodge yet another
uncomfortable
issue.

Dodge what? I've been talking about an existing loophole which allows
foreign entities to skirt our campaign contribution laws...and you're trying
to argue that it's OK for Democrats to commit seditious acts because those
on the right did it too.





heh heh is that why BushCo is encouraging corporate flight to offshore
tax
shelters?

WTF are you talking about? The exodus of manufacturing jobs started
long
before Bush took office.

Yep. And it has sped up dramatically since 2001.
That's WTF I'm talking about.
Is that clear enough for you?

No. It's not clear. In fact, you hypocritically snipped a portion of my
post because you couldn't provide a decent rebuttal.
So, I'll say it again: "No new legislation has been passed in the past 3
years that would encourage corporate flight to offshore tax shelters." Bush
simply is not responsible.


So far he seems to be a record-setting campaign contribution
harvester.... a lean mean moneygrubbin' machine!

His money is raised domestically...acquired from people that actually
have
the constitutional right to vote for him.

And corporations, let's not forget them. BTW are you *sure* that 100% of
Bush's
campaign contributions come from U.S. backers?

No, I'm not sure. Are you *sure* that he's receiving foreign money through
organizations that can be described as the right wing answer to gropus like
moveon.org?




Bush & Cheney... the finest Executive Branch money can buy!


Should Dean win the Presidency, he'll owe more to guys like George Soros
than Cheney could ever owe to Halliburton.

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NOYB wrote:

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
NOYB

Comparing Bush to Hitler is outrageous.
That would be on par to stating that people who exercise a first amendment
right to criticize the government are all traitors. No
person with a shred of intelligence would do so.

It takes more than criticism of the government. For instance:

--wishing terrorist attacks will hit the fly-over areas of our country

*If* they do, that's a reasonable wish. Those of us in the civilized
zone have already taken our hits. If there is another attack, let it be
in Bush Country. BTW, you do know what *if* means, eh?


--constantly denigrating the intelligence and capabilities of our troops

For a huge percentage of our armed forces, the military is the employer
of last resort. As for their capabilities, well...there have been two
large-scale, contested wars involving us since our victory in WW II. In
Korea, we fought to a draw. In Vietnam, we lost. Since then, we've been
involved in skirmishes, mainly, against poorly-led, poorly-motivated
troops of greater inferior capabilities. You want to hazard a guess as
to how we'd do in a non-nuclear war against, say, the People's Republic
of China?

Of course, the PRC doesn't have to fight us: it has won without shooting
a shot. We're going downhill, towards an impoverished nation ruled by
fascists and corporate greed, and the PRC is going to the top. Within
your lifetime, the United States will be bankrupt, its currency worth
zip, its wealth looted for others, and its cities unprotected from
enemies who want to strip out the copper piping.

Your boy Bush is setting the stage for our demise.




--wishing ill health or harm on a sitting president

Those kind of comments would make someone a traitor, IMO.





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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

January 4, 2004

SIMON WIESENTHAL CENTER CRITICIZES MOVEON.ORG FOR POSTING AD COMPARING
BUSH
TO HITLER

The Simon Wiesenthal Center sharply criticized MoveOn.org for accepting
and
posting an ad comparing President George Bush to Adolf Hitler.


Indeed. Although they're both odious, Hitler takes the prize. And on
another level, the comparison isn't fair: Hitler was smarter than Bush.

Most of the truly ****ed up sociopaths are extremely smart people...which is
the *only* reason why I'm inclined to believe that Harry really is an
extremely smart person.

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NOYB wrote:

"Rick" wrote in message
hlink.net...
NOYB wrote:

It takes more than criticism of the government. For instance:

--wishing terrorist attacks will hit the fly-over areas of our country

--constantly denigrating the intelligence and capabilities of our troops

--wishing ill health or harm on a sitting president

Those kind of comments would make someone a traitor, IMO.

So, in your world, wishes, and repeated negative comments are acts of
treason?

OK, Rick. Will you agree that they're acts of sedition then?

16 May, 1918
The U.S. Sedition Act

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United States, Statutes at Large, Washington, D.C., 1918, Vol. XL, pp 553
ff.
A portion of the amendment to Section 3 of the Espionage Act of June 15,
1917.
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SECTION 3. Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make
or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with
the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United
States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or
convey false reports, or false statements, . . . or incite insubordination,
disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of
the United States, or shall willfully obstruct . . . the recruiting or
enlistment service of the United States, or . . . shall willfully utter,
print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive
language about the form of government of the United States, or the
Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the
United States . . . or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign
enemy, or shall willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of
production . . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of
the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or
act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States
is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein,
shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not
more than twenty years, or both....


Oh no, not the frippin' right-wing alien and sedition act. PAssed to
stifle dissent. No wonder Noy Brains likes it.


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In article .net,
says...

Let's get back on topic here, Doug...

Do you think it's acceptable for foreign entities to skirt our election laws
via a loophole which allows soliciting campaign advertising contributions
over the internet? It's a scary thought if Americans are limited as to how
much they can donate towards a candidate's campaign...but non-American
people, companies, and governments can spend an unlimited amount that will
go towards advertising for a specific candidate.

I think you're a little late to the party there doc. There's all sorts
of scurrilous freaks who're liable to thwart the system in order that
their interests are addressed.

Take the Republican's investment in Nader's campaign, for instance.

Then there's the voluminous body of evidence that puts Jim Baker and
other Republican operatives gallivanting the world in an effort to make
certain the Iran hostages weren't released prior to the Carter-Reagan
election.

The Republican governor of Florida and his operatives who invest in a
"felons list" that ends up preventing thousands of legitimate voters
from from voting?

Is this the kind of election manipulation of which you speak? Or is it
just foreign interests that frighten you?

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Within
your lifetime, the United States will be bankrupt, its currency worth
zip, its wealth looted for others, and its cities unprotected from
enemies who want to strip out the copper piping.


No wonder you're so friggin' grumpy. Can't your wife get you some SSRI's?
Or at least move back to Jacksonville...cause your SAD is getting the better
of you.



Your boy Bush is setting the stage for our demise.

The stage for our demise was set when the previous administration sold US
policy to the highest bidding foreign government.