BoatBanter.com - Boston Whaler or Grady White?

Gould 0738 wrote:
MY politics have nothing to do with anything, this is a boating NG, so
if you & about 3 others just stop actually starting OT threads, then the
rest will go away.

There are over 20 posters who start OT threads in the NG, most of them *start*
more OT threads than I, and I'm surely not in 4th place. If 3 of the 20 posters
cease and desist, the other 17 will just dry up and blow away? Remember my
90-day experiment last spring? I ducked out of the NG entirely for 90 days, and
when I returned the situation was *worse* than when I left. Don't hand me some
crap about being the cause of 1/3 or 1/4 of the OT posts.

Damn a long one here we go:-)

Chuck after the elections it was hoped you, jps etc & you know who
might at least accept the outcome & cut it back you haven't; if anything
you've gotten worse.

Fact is, you don't like me much. No big deal. I don't care a lot for you,
either. One of us doesn't make a habit of seeking out the other to make
unprovoked personal attacks. Which of us do you suppose that would be?

It's me:-) & expect I'll continue as long as you continue OT political
stuff, so we have a deal yes??

The personal attacks you complain of are on topic:-) you are a spammer,
what about the heater spam the other day??? You see yourself as someone
you are not Chuck, you are a big OT poster, I've made an effort to
comply with the truce instituted after your election, but you & a few
others seem to have used the hiatus as an opportunity to ramp up the OT
threads.

You weren't heard from for *months* before the election. Do an experiment. Go
to Google and check the participation in OT threads since the election. Then
reconsider your statement.

I gave up just as I did before your last election when Gore lost:-)
this NG is ruined by a few OT posters, you & Krause being the main players.

How is a report detailing the process of installing a diesel heater in a boat,
"spam"? Because I mentioned the name of the manufacturer of the product? That's
actually an important part of the story, as the DIY kit is, AFIK, unique to
that company.

Come on chuckles it was a paid advertisement!! you got the heater cheap
I take it in exchange for spamming us??? Nice one Chuckles.

While in Google, run a search on Karen Smith and "spam". Go back many, many,
years. Extremely revealing.

Gee me selling anything at all??? If there are so many you'll have no
trouble pasting at least what say 3 examples??? go for it; if you can
I'll put my hands up to that, but I doubt you will.

Logical question, however: if your bitch is with political posts, why do

you

conjure up weird accusations in on-topic threads?

Again if you feel I'm out of line then defend yourself, I can & will
point to your deceptive spam I can & will point to your OT threads, if
you wish I'll even point to your abuse.

You miss the point, Karen. If I "defend" myself, then this thread ceases to be
about this incident with the Grady White and its comparison to Boston Whaler.
It becomes OT. Ask yourself who chose to take it there? Did I toss in some
unprovoked, snide personal comments, or did you?

You really are up yourself chucky, chuckys in love with chucky. I don't
need your permission or acceptance of anything I say or don't say. You
are a political OT & spam poster, so as far as I'm concerned fair game
in any circumstances.

If you want to complain about an OT thread, do so within the context of that
thread. Chasing somebody around the NG yelling "OT Spammer!" in threads where
that party is neither posting OT nor doing any "spamming" under even the most
inclusive standards doesn't contribute to the discussion of the subject matter-
the very thing you are (supposedly) so chuffed about that after several months
of NG silence you can no longer control yourself and your present "targets"
here are no different than your previous.

Get this the OT spammer now says he can set the rules for complaining
about his OT & spam??? Not likely, the best I can do is when I feel so
inclined lob a grenade your way & I do & I will.

Why would you begin attacking me in a thread before I had even made a

single

statement on the subject?

Why?? I need your permission???

No, Karen. You don't need my permission.
You are free to behave as badly as you choose, no permission needed.
Deliberately trolling for a fight makes the NG more OT, not more on-topic.

Well thanks I chose to behave against OT spammers, you chose to be an
OT spammer, there we have it.

Would you prefer that I give up posting on-topic altogether?

Only the off topic stuff I can & have over time learned to live with
your parroting of deceptive marketing spam & have even learned to
tolerate some of your other views (white suburbs indeed that still
takes some topping)

Well in that case, here's a clue for you:
Blasting anybody engaged in a behavior you have "learned to tolerate" (big of
you, thanks), like my on-topic posting does nothing to encourage that tolerable
activity.
Odd that you haven't said "squeak" in any of the OT threads, but choose to deal
with it after months, and months, by blasting my participation in the on-topic
subjects, isn't it?

I've seen what happens to the huge number of people who have politely
asked you to stop it, you Chuck, that's you personally, set upon them.
No thanks we all handle things our own way, mine it to point out you are
an OT spammer, an ex used car salesman & ex boat broker (people can make
their own minds up about that), know little about boats as demonstrated
from your continual parroting of spam fed to you by dealers.

In the context you were trying to spin it that the boat got rolled over
on the bar,

Sure hope you never make it to jury duty when I'm on trial. :-)

You should too I'm against the death penalty in any circumstance but if
it were say parking in a no spam area, you'd be a lifer for sure.

I said that
such was among the "possibilities". If you were jury foreman and the
prosecution said, "We have evidence that Gould was somewhere in the same state
when the crime was committed," I'd be doing life without parole. :-)

Yep, even without evidence, if it meant you could no longer start
political OT threads & spam in this NG.

I must say I get a giggle when you tell us about "English":-) that's funny.

When you're done laughing, perhaps you'll educate this professional writer by
offering a brief explanation of just how "capsize" is synonymous with "sink"?

The boat rolled over as the inevitable "consequence" of taking on water

from a leak (it seems around the transom area but....????), it was not

the "inadvertent turning over of a boat".

If the turning over was deliberate, where's the website author's gripe?

If not towed in promptly that boat would have sunk. Even much larger
boats can linger in an inverted position as part of the sinking process.

Very likely. However, the title of the blackmail site is "My boat sank," not
"There's a high probability my boat would have gone to the bottom if help
hadn't arrived when it did." Sensationalism vs. fact. Does that qualify as
"spam"?

So please paste where you got this from, you have no idea do you???

You must be new. You don't recall the long list of websites in this tradition?
Think of the guy who accepted (for a discount) a transport damaged, underrated
Panda generator and then tried to run it 24/7. Remember the couple on the SF
Delta who had a misplumbed live well in their brand new boat, left a secure
mooring
to set back off across the bay in a boat known to be taking on a large quantity
of water, and then blasted the salesperson for suggesting they bring the boat
back to the dealership and "putting us in danger."?
Nearly all of these sites are economically motivated, hoping to use bad
publicity where logical argument and examination of facts have not produced a
favorable outcome for the consumer. I'll bet you a Washington apple to an
Australian whatever that if Grady White gives the guy a new boat, or the dealer
refunds the purchase price of the boat he bought, the site will disappear in a
heartbeart.

I'm not supporting his case for money I am supporting him telling the
world he's not happy, it might be untrue just as most of the spam you
post here about boats you're trying to help market isn't true. The fact
you don't know any better doesn't make it true, you repeat the spam
marketing line, if you didn't ...................

He's not trying to sell anything to people, particularly people here
can make their own minds up about the merits or otherwise.

The poster who submitted this to rec.boats has never posted anything here,
AFAIK. He composed his one-sided website, omitted any facts or circumstances
not damaging to the manufacturer or the dealer, and probably posted it
everywhere the internet has any boating content what so ever.

Gee again apply this to the dealers.

You still don't get it do you, the boat filled with water that may or
may not be down to the manufacturer, the dealer, the boats age, boat's
prior accidents, weather & yes the owner, but the dealer dumping him
when he needed them is typical.

What would you consider an "acceptable" response from the dealer?

Clearly from the owners response anything but whatever he did:-)

Chuck please try to stop a second, all that might be right but the
dealer just leaving him unsupported isn't.

What would you consider an "acceptable" response from the dealer? As I
remember, the creator of the website doesn't really detail what the dealer's
response was, or wasn't, just that he thought he was given the brush off. I
will not believe that he called the dealership and was simply told to go screw
himself, not our problem, etc.

It sounds like the owner was upset & probably made some over the top
demands, but so what?? the dealer is in business & just made a heap of
money from this person, as I said anyone but a dealer would have handled
it so the owner was at least aware of the facts if not exactly happy
about them & with a bit of luck the dealer could have made lots more
money from the boat.

These "I'll get you!" websites more often than not result from a vendor failing
to meet every last expectation, reasonable or not, of a consumer with a
problem.

See Chuck that's your problem you depend on consumers having nowhere to
go now they do, as I said a good example was Ficht despite the dealers
lies owners knew they weren't alone & could vent their anger.

Neither of us knows all the facts. I speculate there are things that

*could*

have happened, but you applaud the damning website, say it's entirely the

used

boat dealer's fault in any event, that a dealership you're not acquainted

with

is a lousy place to do business, and that anybody else connected with the
marine industry is equally a piece of crap.

Which of us is being more reasonable, would you think?

Me:-)

Well, at least you had the decency not to protest my summary of your position.
I'll hand you that.

I wouldn't if I were you:-) now I won't ignore your spam because I
can't be bothered with your protests.

K

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