Eisboch,
Gould showed us that when it is his company or his money, he is a brutal
Capitalist. The strong survive and prosper, the weak get thrown to the side
and leave it up to the government to provide the safety net. I thought I
was a Capitalist, but I would have keep an employee if was able to do the
job he was paid to do. I would not fire him or leave him in the roles of
unemployable just because I did not believe he could move up in the
corporation. I guess I must be a moderate.


"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
Gould 0738 wrote:


The guy who thinks he's got the world dicked because his $7 an hour
employees
produce $30 an hour gross profit is usually lucky to rise above lower
middle
class himself. Give me a $15-25 an hour guy who can produce $100 an hour
any
day over a miniwager who can barely justify his nothing salary. I'll take
as
many hundred dollar bills (that I can buy for $25@) as I can get, and
thank you
very much. :-)



Geeze, Chuck. And to think I had you written off as a left wing liberal.
Now I can see that you are really a hard-core Capitalist! :-)

Eisboch

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:10:59 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
http://letsriot.com/stuff/new_map.jpg


Eisboch

I love it...thanks...

Canada is looking attractive as a safe haven for skipping out on the
failing fascist United States...

He he: history repeats itself...

My ancestors on my Mother's side were United Empire Loyalists - fled the
US when they didn't like the politics there. Now there's a flood coming
north after the election (and not just for our flu vaccine!)

Lloyd Sumpter, Canadian.

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:25:07 +0000, Don White wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
http://letsriot.com/stuff/new_map.jpg



Neat map.. Sure would be great to have New England 'back in the fold'!

Yeah...and the "proper" Vancouver ;)

Lloyd

Gould,
Do you have something against unskilled Mexicans who are willing to work for
minimum wage?

No.

I have a problem with guys who scream for
a society with overwhelming enforcement of most laws, but who personally profit
by entering into illegal employment contracts
with people so incredibly poor that *anything*, even $2-3/hour, is better than
stavation.

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...

Whether or not that figure is reasonable depends on what your source
of income is. If the best job you get there only pays $300/week, you
might have a problem.

It's all relative.

Dave


Probably best geared towards retirees with a reasonable pension..., the
almost wealthy who can show healthy income from investments.....or those who
could set up a business there.

Eisboch,
Gould showed us that when it is his company or his money, he is a brutal
Capitalist.

It's written somewhere that a liberal must be poor?

You and Eisboch both fail to see the fundamental liberalism in the hiring
philosophy. An employer has an obligation to create an atmosphere of
opportunity, where employees can grow and prosper.
This serves fiscal and social ends at the same time. Judge a business not
merely on how well the owner prospers, but how the employees grow and prosper
as well.



I thought I
was a Capitalist, but I would have keep an employee if was able to do the
job he was paid to do.

Sounds like a government job. That sort of attitude will put a private company
in the tank, especially a small one.

The guy merely doing the job he was hired to do was either mishired, (as he has
no capacity to grow and therefore help the company at an increased level of
responsibility), is undermotivated, or works in an environment that is not
interested in the future and well-being of the employee and does not provide
opportunity and training for advancement.
Those are all management failures. Show me an enterprise filled with folks
merely doing "the job I was hired to do" and we'll see a stagnant or failing
business.

I would not fire him or leave him in the roles of
unemployable just because I did not believe he could move up in the
corporation.

Ever hire anybody? That process always involves a decision to leave people in
the ranks of the unemployed. Do you recommend that when a firm has a job
opening it should be filled with the first warm body to appear with an
application?
Failure to do so will probably leave somebody among the ranks of the
unemployed.

On 05 Nov 2004 16:35:34 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Gould,
Do you have something against unskilled Mexicans who are willing to work for
minimum wage?

No.

I have a problem with guys who scream for
a society with overwhelming enforcement of most laws, but who personally profit
by entering into illegal employment contracts
with people so incredibly poor that *anything*, even $2-3/hour, is better than
stavation.

Just a quickie here - I've been watching the thread and have to jump
in.

Back when I had a working stable on the property, I couldn't find high
school kids for $11.00 an hour to muck out the stalls, do the hay,
feed and exercise the animals, etc. Just farm labor four days a week
and two hours on weekends.

I went to the local labor emporium and got some Brazilians who did it
for $7.00/hr. I didn't even ask - I just said to the guy at the
employment desk I needed four people, explained what I wanted and
there they were.

Now, when I have to get the hay off the field or some other task like
stacking wood for the winter, I just make the call and presto, more
people to help at the state minimum which I believe now is $7.25.

I can't pay them more if I wanted!!!

Later,

Tom

"Beware the one legged man in a butt
kicking contest - he is there for a
reason."

Wun Hung Lo - date unknown

Gould 0738 wrote:


You and Eisboch both fail to see the fundamental liberalism in the hiring
philosophy.

Lighten up Chuck ... it was just a joke (notice smiley face?)

I also had a brick and mortar company, started from scratch, and to be
honest I was more focused on staying in business than I was on philosophy.

However, despite my lack of deep philosophical thinking, the company
finally succeeded and every employee shared in the financial reward.

Eisboch

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 05 Nov 2004 16:35:34 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:


Gould,
Do you have something against unskilled Mexicans who are willing to work for
minimum wage?

No.

I have a problem with guys who scream for
a society with overwhelming enforcement of most laws, but who personally profit
by entering into illegal employment contracts
with people so incredibly poor that *anything*, even $2-3/hour, is better than
stavation.


Just a quickie here - I've been watching the thread and have to jump
in.

Back when I had a working stable on the property, I couldn't find high
school kids for $11.00 an hour to muck out the stalls, do the hay,
feed and exercise the animals, etc. Just farm labor four days a week
and two hours on weekends.

I went to the local labor emporium and got some Brazilians who did it
for $7.00/hr. I didn't even ask - I just said to the guy at the
employment desk I needed four people, explained what I wanted and
there they were.

Now, when I have to get the hay off the field or some other task like
stacking wood for the winter, I just make the call and presto, more
people to help at the state minimum which I believe now is $7.25.

I can't pay them more if I wanted!!!

Later,

Tom

"Beware the one legged man in a butt
kicking contest - he is there for a
reason."

Wun Hung Lo - date unknown



Tom, I lived in Woodbridge, CT for a couple of years while in high
school and used to muck stalls and feed horses after school at a race
horse stable in Orange.

So, how the hell do the Brazilians get 7 bucks an hour !!!!?????

(I think I got a buck twenty-five)

(also where I learned how much I dislike horses)

Eisboch

I went to the local labor emporium and got some Brazilians who did it
for $7.00/hr. I didn't even ask - I just said to the guy at the
employment desk I needed four people, explained what I wanted and
there they were.

Now, when I have to get the hay off the field or some other task like
stacking wood for the winter, I just make the call and presto, more
people to help at the state minimum which I believe now is $7.25.

You're (presumably) hiring legal workers and paying a legal wage. No problemo.
Casual, manual, short term jobs don't require great social sensitivity to fill-
but the hiring practices shouldn't be predatory or illegal and yours would not
seem to be.