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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:10:59 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Eisboch wrote: http://letsriot.com/stuff/new_map.jpg Eisboch I love it...thanks... Canada is looking attractive as a safe haven for skipping out on the failing fascist United States... Pack it up Harry, don't let the Canadian Border door hit you in the ass. Oh yeah, move deep into Canada where there isn't an internet connection. I am sure rec.boats will survive without you. |
In article , Harry Krause wrote: Eisboch wrote: http://letsriot.com/stuff/new_map.jpg Eisboch I love it...thanks... Canada is looking attractive as a safe haven for skipping out on the failing fascist United States... Please do. Or you could try North Korea. -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind |
I have researched Canada extensively, as I have two young boys and I
will personally fight to keep them from being fodder for this idiotic administration. They don't take everyone, that's for sure. It's expensive to get in (lots of application fees) Takes a long time, and they won't take you if you have any kind of criminal record or severe health problem. You need 67 points, which you get for being between 21 and 49, and you lose them for being outside that range. You gain them for education, speaking French or English, having Canadian relatives and some other reasons. You have to either be a skilled worker in a field they are looking for, an entrepreneur, or an investor. The last two categories mean you need to have hundreds of thousands of $$$ to bring to Canada. Check out http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html The upside is that they are just so much smarter than we are. Think of their stands on fiscal responsibility, health care (not perfect, but a lot better than ours), guns, abortion, the environment, religion in government, etc. I think it must be global warming creeping up and cooking the brains of our southern brethren. I'm bummed that we could be so stupid, selfish and shortsighted. Capt. Jeff |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: http://letsriot.com/stuff/new_map.jpg Eisboch I love it...thanks... Canada is looking attractive as a safe haven for skipping out on the failing fascist United States... "Canadian officials made clear on Wednesday that any U.S. citizens so fed up with Bush that they want to make a fresh start up north would have to stand in line like any other would-be immigrants -- a wait that can take up to a year." http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...ryID=670429 2 |
"WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:41:43 -0600, Tamaroak wrote: I have researched Canada extensively, as I have two young boys and I will personally fight to keep them from being fodder for this idiotic administration. They don't take everyone, that's for sure. It's expensive to get in (lots of application fees) Takes a long time, and they won't take you if you have any kind of criminal record or severe health problem. You need 67 points, which you get for being between 21 and 49, and you lose them for being outside that range. You gain them for education, speaking French or English, having Canadian relatives and some other reasons. You have to either be a skilled worker in a field they are looking for, an entrepreneur, or an investor. The last two categories mean you need to have hundreds of thousands of $$$ to bring to Canada. Check out http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html The upside is that they are just so much smarter than we are. Think of their stands on fiscal responsibility, health care (not perfect, but a lot better than ours), guns, abortion, the environment, religion in government, etc. I think it must be global warming creeping up and cooking the brains of our southern brethren. I'm bummed that we could be so stupid, selfish and shortsighted. Capt. Jeff Quit whining, since you are obviously not part of the solution. I sincerely hope you have enough "points" to make it to Canada. I'd be happy to donate my points for you Jeff. I get 67 points for being the right age...plus I'm a skilled worker in a field they are looking for, *and* I'm an entrepreneur. How many points would you like? |
"Tamaroak" wrote in message ... I have researched Canada extensively, as I have two young boys and I will personally fight to keep them from being fodder for this idiotic administration. See ya! |
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:10:59 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Eisboch wrote: http://letsriot.com/stuff/new_map.jpg Eisboch I love it...thanks... Canada is looking attractive as a safe haven for skipping out on the failing fascist United States... -- George W. Bush...Armed, Dangerous, and Stupid... Just What the Terrorists Want & America Deserves The following is from a "conversation" I had with Gould at about the time the exit polls were predicting a big win for Kerry. Maybe you should take a lesson from it. Your signature line shows you for what you are. An anarchist that does not bellieve in democracy. An ananrchist with the purposeful intent of dividing the country. Go to Canada, France, Ireland, Germany, or wherever else you wish. You are a joke and an example of what an American is not. If you hate our electoral process so much, get the hell out. On 02 Nov 2004 18:46:59 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Better that time is taken and only legitamate votes are cast. I think everyone would agree with that. I enthusiastically agree with that. Bogus registrations and votes are an abuse of the system, and should not be allowed. "Challenges" that are clearly intended to disrupt the polling process in non-friendly precints would also be an abuse of the system. If all of America is supposed to get behind the winner of today's election, it will be important that the vast majority of people conclude that this contest, even if close, is fairly and honestly decided. I couldn't agree with you more wholeheartedly. If Kerry wins, he will be My President. If Bush wins, he will be My President. Either will receive my support. We as a nation have to accept what the nations people decide. It does disturb me when I hear of the types that if so&so wins, they are moving out of the country. If they don't like our electoral process they should get the hell out now. |
"John S" wrote in message ... On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:10:59 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Eisboch wrote: http://letsriot.com/stuff/new_map.jpg Eisboch I love it...thanks... Canada is looking attractive as a safe haven for skipping out on the failing fascist United States... -- George W. Bush...Armed, Dangerous, and Stupid... Just What the Terrorists Want & America Deserves The following is from a "conversation" I had with Gould at about the time the exit polls were predicting a big win for Kerry. Maybe you should take a lesson from it. Your signature line shows you for what you are. An anarchist that does not bellieve in democracy. An ananrchist with the purposeful intent of dividing the country. Go to Canada, France, Ireland, Germany, or wherever else you wish. You are a joke and an example of what an American is not. If you hate our electoral process so much, get the hell out. On 02 Nov 2004 18:46:59 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Better that time is taken and only legitamate votes are cast. I think everyone would agree with that. I enthusiastically agree with that. Bogus registrations and votes are an abuse of the system, and should not be allowed. "Challenges" that are clearly intended to disrupt the polling process in non-friendly precints would also be an abuse of the system. If all of America is supposed to get behind the winner of today's election, it will be important that the vast majority of people conclude that this contest, even if close, is fairly and honestly decided. I couldn't agree with you more wholeheartedly. If Kerry wins, he will be My President. If Bush wins, he will be My President. Either will receive my support. We as a nation have to accept what the nations people decide. It does disturb me when I hear of the types that if so&so wins, they are moving out of the country. If they don't like our electoral process they should get the hell out now. And Chuckie has yet to show support for GWB. I guess it makes him a liar. |
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:41:43 -0600, Tamaroak wrote:
I have researched Canada extensively, as I have two young boys and I will personally fight to keep them from being fodder for this idiotic administration. They don't take everyone, that's for sure. It's expensive to get in (lots of application fees) Takes a long time, and they won't take you if you have any kind of criminal record or severe health problem. You need 67 points, which you get for being between 21 and 49, and you lose them for being outside that range. You gain them for education, speaking French or English, having Canadian relatives and some other reasons. You have to either be a skilled worker in a field they are looking for, an entrepreneur, or an investor. The last two categories mean you need to have hundreds of thousands of $$$ to bring to Canada. Check out http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html The upside is that they are just so much smarter than we are. Think of their stands on fiscal responsibility, health care (not perfect, but a lot better than ours), guns, abortion, the environment, religion in government, etc. I think it must be global warming creeping up and cooking the brains of our southern brethren. I'm bummed that we could be so stupid, selfish and shortsighted. Capt. Jeff And my folks didn't want me to go to Nam. But I went, fought, and came home and got spat on. |
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... http://letsriot.com/stuff/new_map.jpg Neat map.. Sure would be great to have New England 'back in the fold'! |
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... Quit whining, since you are obviously not part of the solution. I sincerely hope you have enough "points" to make it to Canada. I'd be happy to donate my points for you Jeff. I get 67 points for being the right age...plus I'm a skilled worker in a field they are looking for, *and* I'm an entrepreneur. How many points would you like? Forget it NOYB. After I send a few of your posts to immigration dept. you'll be in the minus catagory. |
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:15:33 -0500, "JimH" wrote:
Though I supported Bush, I wrote that I would accept and support Kerry as President. That is the American way. That is what a Democracy is all about. I am 57 years old. I have come to learn that above all, I am an American and fully trust and believe in the electoral process and a representative form of government. I have traveled the world (much on business) and there is no place I would rather live than the good old USA. When others come of age, they too will share my views. "John S" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:10:59 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Eisboch wrote: http://letsriot.com/stuff/new_map.jpg Eisboch I love it...thanks... Canada is looking attractive as a safe haven for skipping out on the failing fascist United States... -- George W. Bush...Armed, Dangerous, and Stupid... Just What the Terrorists Want & America Deserves The following is from a "conversation" I had with Gould at about the time the exit polls were predicting a big win for Kerry. Maybe you should take a lesson from it. Your signature line shows you for what you are. An anarchist that does not bellieve in democracy. An ananrchist with the purposeful intent of dividing the country. Go to Canada, France, Ireland, Germany, or wherever else you wish. You are a joke and an example of what an American is not. If you hate our electoral process so much, get the hell out. On 02 Nov 2004 18:46:59 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Better that time is taken and only legitamate votes are cast. I think everyone would agree with that. I enthusiastically agree with that. Bogus registrations and votes are an abuse of the system, and should not be allowed. "Challenges" that are clearly intended to disrupt the polling process in non-friendly precints would also be an abuse of the system. If all of America is supposed to get behind the winner of today's election, it will be important that the vast majority of people conclude that this contest, even if close, is fairly and honestly decided. I couldn't agree with you more wholeheartedly. If Kerry wins, he will be My President. If Bush wins, he will be My President. Either will receive my support. We as a nation have to accept what the nations people decide. It does disturb me when I hear of the types that if so&so wins, they are moving out of the country. If they don't like our electoral process they should get the hell out now. And Chuckie has yet to show support for GWB. I guess it makes him a liar. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message Indeed, and as you know, Canada is one of my favorite places, but... it's a tad cool for my taste. Uh-oh, here come the tap dance. There are a number of places in this world that offer better lifestyles to capable adults who wish to become American ex-pats. If you're going to leave, don't be a wimp. Renounce your citizenship on the way out. No turning back. I think it would be a perfect squelch if significant numbers of this country's best and brightest thinkers just picked up and left, That's a different scenario. You *were* talking about your own departure. Personally, I'd love to see all the self-centered, pompous fools make good on their threats to leave. Those of us remaining could buy an apartment on the upper west side for $15,000. .... set off dirty nukes in the top 20 markets on the same day. And that would do it. Sounds like you've got it all planned. |
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:43:51 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Don White wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... http://letsriot.com/stuff/new_map.jpg Neat map.. Sure would be great to have New England 'back in the fold'! Indeed, and as you know, Canada is one of my favorite places, but... it's a tad cool for my taste. I have a retired buddy who moved to Costa Rica a few years ago, bought himself a small coffee plantation for under $100,000, and plays at farmer and fishing guide. Costa Rica is pretty stable and the weather is great. There are a number of places in this world that offer better lifestyles to capable adults who wish to become American ex-pats. I think it would be a perfect squelch if significant numbers of this country's best and brightest thinkers just picked up and left, and watched from afar as the United States sank deeper and deeper into the fascist primordial soup. The United States is becoming less and less relevant in the world economy and the world order, and at some point the enemies it is creating for itself may well ally, at least for a day, and deal this country a really serious blow. You do not need aircraft carriers, submarines, or missiles to set off dirty nukes in the top 20 markets on the same day. And that would do it. -- George W. Bush...Armed, Dangerous, and Stupid... Just What the Terrorists Want & America Deserves Why don't you just leave. BTW, did I mention I really hate your siganature line. It shows just how much you hate your fellow Americans. |
"Don White" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... Quit whining, since you are obviously not part of the solution. I sincerely hope you have enough "points" to make it to Canada. I'd be happy to donate my points for you Jeff. I get 67 points for being the right age...plus I'm a skilled worker in a field they are looking for, *and* I'm an entrepreneur. How many points would you like? Forget it NOYB. After I send a few of your posts to immigration dept. you'll be in the minus catagory. Good point. Couldn't you call them *after* I donate my points to Capt. Jeff? |
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:41:43 -0600, Tamaroak
wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ The upside is that they are just so much smarter than we are. Think of their stands on fiscal responsibility, health care (not perfect, but a lot better than ours), I get a kick out of this statement. I wonder why it is that Canadian Doctors send their relatives and cardiac cases to the US for treatment? Later, Tom "Beware the one legged man in a butt kicking contest - he is there for a reason." Wun Hung Lo - date unknown |
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:41:43 -0600, Tamaroak
wrote: I have researched Canada extensively, as I have two young boys and I will personally fight to keep them from being fodder for this idiotic administration. They don't take everyone, that's for sure. It's expensive to get in (lots of application fees) Takes a long time, and they won't take you if you have any kind of criminal record or severe health problem. You need 67 points, which you get for being between 21 and 49, and you lose them for being outside that range. You gain them for education, speaking French or English, having Canadian relatives and some other reasons. You have to either be a skilled worker in a field they are looking for, an entrepreneur, or an investor. The last two categories mean you need to have hundreds of thousands of $$$ to bring to Canada. We should have a similar "weighting" system when people try to immigrate here. But the liberals would have a fit and claim that we are being "discriminatory"... Dave |
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 10:24:48 -0500, John S wrote:
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:41:43 -0600, Tamaroak wrote: I have researched Canada extensively, as I have two young boys and I will personally fight to keep them from being fodder for this idiotic administration. They don't take everyone, that's for sure. It's expensive to get in (lots of application fees) Takes a long time, and they won't take you if you have any kind of criminal record or severe health problem. You need 67 points, which you get for being between 21 and 49, and you lose them for being outside that range. You gain them for education, speaking French or English, having Canadian relatives and some other reasons. You have to either be a skilled worker in a field they are looking for, an entrepreneur, or an investor. The last two categories mean you need to have hundreds of thousands of $$$ to bring to Canada. Check out http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html The upside is that they are just so much smarter than we are. Think of their stands on fiscal responsibility, health care (not perfect, but a lot better than ours), guns, abortion, the environment, religion in government, etc. I think it must be global warming creeping up and cooking the brains of our southern brethren. I'm bummed that we could be so stupid, selfish and shortsighted. Capt. Jeff And my folks didn't want me to go to Nam. But I went, fought, and came home and got spat on. Fortunately, the folks who spat on you just lost the election....... Dave |
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:44:14 GMT, WaIIy
wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:01:51 -0500, Eisboch wrote: http://letsriot.com/stuff/new_map.jpg Eisboch Very cute Except it should say "United Socialist State Republic" Yike! The rebirth of the USSR! Dave |
We should have a similar "weighting" system when people try to
immigrate here. But the liberals would have a fit and claim that we are being "discriminatory"... Dave When people try to immigrate here, the most important test is whether they are willing to work for some member of the Chamber of Commerce down in San Diego or some wealthy rancher in AZ for about half the federal minimum wage. Then its all about nod nod, wink wink, you *did* have a SSN#, didn't you? The conservative business community is the number one promoter of questionable immigration into the US. Their greed for workers willing to work at starvation wages enables the "immigrants". |
"WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:41:43 -0600, Tamaroak wrote: I have researched Canada extensively, as I have two young boys and I will personally fight to keep them from being fodder for this idiotic administration. They don't take everyone, that's for sure. It's expensive to get in (lots of application fees) Takes a long time, and they won't take you if you have any kind of criminal record or severe health problem. You need 67 points, which you get for being between 21 and 49, and you lose them for being outside that range. You gain them for education, speaking French or English, having Canadian relatives and some other reasons. You have to either be a skilled worker in a field they are looking for, an entrepreneur, or an investor. The last two categories mean you need to have hundreds of thousands of $$$ to bring to Canada. Check out http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html The upside is that they are just so much smarter than we are. Think of their stands on fiscal responsibility, health care (not perfect, but a lot better than ours), guns, abortion, the environment, religion in government, etc. I think it must be global warming creeping up and cooking the brains of our southern brethren. I'm bummed that we could be so stupid, selfish and shortsighted. Capt. Jeff Quit whining, since you are obviously not part of the solution. I sincerely hope you have enough "points" to make it to Canada. He's just another typical liebral that 'knows' better than the great unwashed masses. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Indeed, and as you know, Canada is one of my favorite places, but... it's a tad cool for my taste. I have a retired buddy who moved to Costa Rica a few years ago, bought himself a small coffee plantation for under $100,000, and plays at farmer and fishing guide. Costa Rica is pretty stable and the weather is great. snip.. A buddy of mine, who has pretty well lived in the Caribbean since 1979 always said Costs Rica would be a good place to move to. At one time, all you needed to immigrate was to show an income of $ 1000.00 per month. That figure might be $2500./month or so now but still reasonable. I find the January-March period very tiresome here. Maybe I should take up skiing or snowmobiling. |
Gould,
Do you have something against unskilled Mexicans who are willing to work for minimum wage? "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... We should have a similar "weighting" system when people try to immigrate here. But the liberals would have a fit and claim that we are being "discriminatory"... Dave When people try to immigrate here, the most important test is whether they are willing to work for some member of the Chamber of Commerce down in San Diego or some wealthy rancher in AZ for about half the federal minimum wage. Then its all about nod nod, wink wink, you *did* have a SSN#, didn't you? The conservative business community is the number one promoter of questionable immigration into the US. Their greed for workers willing to work at starvation wages enables the "immigrants". |
"Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote in message news:Iluid.354168$MQ5.90388@attbi_s52... Gould, Do you have something against unskilled Mexicans who are willing to work for minimum wage? He's just showing the typical liebral snobbery. If mexicans are willing to come here and work 12 hours a day for 4 bucks an hour, live with 5 others and send half the money home....so what. They most likely consider it a step up from the $5 a DAY that they were making at home. It is the liebrals that don't want that sort of immigration, because it kills their union thug donations. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... We should have a similar "weighting" system when people try to immigrate here. But the liberals would have a fit and claim that we are being "discriminatory"... Dave When people try to immigrate here, the most important test is whether they are willing to work for some member of the Chamber of Commerce down in San Diego or some wealthy rancher in AZ for about half the federal minimum wage. Then its all about nod nod, wink wink, you *did* have a SSN#, didn't you? The conservative business community is the number one promoter of questionable immigration into the US. Their greed for workers willing to work at starvation wages enables the "immigrants". |
It is illegal for anyone to pay someone less than minimum wage, and wither
you agree with it or not, you should not break the law. If someone knows an employer who is breaking the law, they should turn them in so they can be prosecuted. Why should an employer pay more than the market price for labor? I know there are many skilled Mexican construction workers who earn substantially more than minimum wage. I replaced tile in my bathroom and the contractor was paying the Mexican $35/hr plus benefits. If an unskilled worker wants to earn more than minimum wage, he needs to learn a skill and increase his value. "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote in message news:Iluid.354168$MQ5.90388@attbi_s52... Gould, Do you have something against unskilled Mexicans who are willing to work for minimum wage? He's just showing the typical liebral snobbery. If mexicans are willing to come here and work 12 hours a day for 4 bucks an hour, live with 5 others and send half the money home....so what. They most likely consider it a step up from the $5 a DAY that they were making at home. It is the liebrals that don't want that sort of immigration, because it kills their union thug donations. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... We should have a similar "weighting" system when people try to immigrate here. But the liberals would have a fit and claim that we are being "discriminatory"... Dave When people try to immigrate here, the most important test is whether they are willing to work for some member of the Chamber of Commerce down in San Diego or some wealthy rancher in AZ for about half the federal minimum wage. Then its all about nod nod, wink wink, you *did* have a SSN#, didn't you? The conservative business community is the number one promoter of questionable immigration into the US. Their greed for workers willing to work at starvation wages enables the "immigrants". |
"Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote in message news:rJuid.569570$8_6.431800@attbi_s04... It is illegal for anyone to pay someone less than minimum wage, and wither you agree with it or not, you should not break the law. If someone knows an employer who is breaking the law, they should turn them in so they can be prosecuted. Why should an employer pay more than the market price for labor? I know there are many skilled Mexican construction workers who earn substantially more than minimum wage. I replaced tile in my bathroom and the contractor was paying the Mexican $35/hr plus benefits. If an unskilled worker wants to earn more than minimum wage, he needs to learn a skill and increase his value. I a fully aware of the minimum wage, my point being that having a minimum wage is simply wrong.....If a worker is willing to work for $4.00 an hour, why is it the guvmint position to say, no he can't. I am well aware of the skill and work ethic of Mexican workers. Th crew that did my house addition never stopped working, and finished the job in half the time a union crew would have. "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote in message news:Iluid.354168$MQ5.90388@attbi_s52... Gould, Do you have something against unskilled Mexicans who are willing to work for minimum wage? He's just showing the typical liebral snobbery. If mexicans are willing to come here and work 12 hours a day for 4 bucks an hour, live with 5 others and send half the money home....so what. They most likely consider it a step up from the $5 a DAY that they were making at home. It is the liebrals that don't want that sort of immigration, because it kills their union thug donations. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... We should have a similar "weighting" system when people try to immigrate here. But the liberals would have a fit and claim that we are being "discriminatory"... Dave When people try to immigrate here, the most important test is whether they are willing to work for some member of the Chamber of Commerce down in San Diego or some wealthy rancher in AZ for about half the federal minimum wage. Then its all about nod nod, wink wink, you *did* have a SSN#, didn't you? The conservative business community is the number one promoter of questionable immigration into the US. Their greed for workers willing to work at starvation wages enables the "immigrants". |
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:40:55 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Hmmm..... First you say: I never said I was leaving. .... set off dirty nukes in the top 20 markets on the same day. And that would do it. Sounds like you've got it all planned. Then you say: My plan is to be outa here before that happens. Which one is the lie? Dave |
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Was it not all you lefties that were against any controls on illegal
immigration to the USA? "Tamaroak" wrote in message ... I have researched Canada extensively, as I have two young boys and I will personally fight to keep them from being fodder for this idiotic administration. They don't take everyone, that's for sure. It's expensive to get in (lots of application fees) Takes a long time, and they won't take you if you have any kind of criminal record or severe health problem. You need 67 points, which you get for being between 21 and 49, and you lose them for being outside that range. You gain them for education, speaking French or English, having Canadian relatives and some other reasons. You have to either be a skilled worker in a field they are looking for, an entrepreneur, or an investor. The last two categories mean you need to have hundreds of thousands of $$$ to bring to Canada. Check out http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html The upside is that they are just so much smarter than we are. Think of their stands on fiscal responsibility, health care (not perfect, but a lot better than ours), guns, abortion, the environment, religion in government, etc. I think it must be global warming creeping up and cooking the brains of our southern brethren. I'm bummed that we could be so stupid, selfish and shortsighted. Capt. Jeff |
I a fully aware of the minimum wage, my point being that having a minimum
wage is simply wrong.....If a worker is willing to work for $4.00 an hour, why is it the guvmint position to say, no he can't. Because the difference in the actual cost of subsisting in society and four bucks an hour is going to be picked up by the taxpayers through subsidized housing, food stamps, free medical care, etc. The lower the wages paid, the greater the amount of money the government will need to provide to prevent the kids from literally starving and to prevent poor people from dying when they get ill. Enabling an employer to pay almost nothing in wages by providing social services is a form of *corporate* welfare, moreso than individual welfare. Because the starving are not in a position to bargain fairly and equitably with a prospective employer. Hell, most of the guys you want to hire for $4 an hour would probably work for $1.50- at least until lunch when they could take their $6 half day paycheck to McDonalds and get a sack full of something resembling food. |
You lost, Chuck.
Better than being lost. Any day. |
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... You lost, Chuck. Better than being lost. Any day. But you apparently are. |
My non union tile guy, floated the floor the way they did 30 yrs ago. Rock
solid and first class. My only complaint was he was such a perfectionist it took him forever, but that is a small price to pay for quality work "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote in message news:rJuid.569570$8_6.431800@attbi_s04... It is illegal for anyone to pay someone less than minimum wage, and wither you agree with it or not, you should not break the law. If someone knows an employer who is breaking the law, they should turn them in so they can be prosecuted. Why should an employer pay more than the market price for labor? I know there are many skilled Mexican construction workers who earn substantially more than minimum wage. I replaced tile in my bathroom and the contractor was paying the Mexican $35/hr plus benefits. If an unskilled worker wants to earn more than minimum wage, he needs to learn a skill and increase his value. I a fully aware of the minimum wage, my point being that having a minimum wage is simply wrong.....If a worker is willing to work for $4.00 an hour, why is it the guvmint position to say, no he can't. I am well aware of the skill and work ethic of Mexican workers. Th crew that did my house addition never stopped working, and finished the job in half the time a union crew would have. "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote in message news:Iluid.354168$MQ5.90388@attbi_s52... Gould, Do you have something against unskilled Mexicans who are willing to work for minimum wage? He's just showing the typical liebral snobbery. If mexicans are willing to come here and work 12 hours a day for 4 bucks an hour, live with 5 others and send half the money home....so what. They most likely consider it a step up from the $5 a DAY that they were making at home. It is the liebrals that don't want that sort of immigration, because it kills their union thug donations. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... We should have a similar "weighting" system when people try to immigrate here. But the liberals would have a fit and claim that we are being "discriminatory"... Dave When people try to immigrate here, the most important test is whether they are willing to work for some member of the Chamber of Commerce down in San Diego or some wealthy rancher in AZ for about half the federal minimum wage. Then its all about nod nod, wink wink, you *did* have a SSN#, didn't you? The conservative business community is the number one promoter of questionable immigration into the US. Their greed for workers willing to work at starvation wages enables the "immigrants". |
My non union tile guy, floated the floor the way they did 30 yrs ago. Rock
solid and first class. My only complaint was he was such a perfectionist it took him forever, but that is a small price to pay for quality work Nothing wrong with non-union labor. I never worry about whether a contractor is union, or not. Right now the same guy who put in our new kitchen a couple of years ago is redoing all of our bathrooms. I've hired him to put kitchens and baths elsewhere as well. When he showed up for the bathroom tearouts, he did pass the most important test. "I guess with all those yard signs, you must be voting for change. That's great, me too!" (Never get on the wrong side of a political argument with a guy busting up an old tub with a sledge hammer). :-) Guys who are anti-uinion can very effectively dissuade labor from organizing: pay a fair and equitable wage, competitive benefits, and treat people right. Nobody who is already enjoying about the same wages and benefits the union workers get is going to be the least bit interested in paying union dues for nothing in return. |
But you apparently are.
I finally figured you out, JimH. You're a put-on. It's been obvious for a while, but since you began using it as your email address you have revealed the essence of the canard: Everytime somebody makes a snide remark, you jump in to reinforce it. All this time I thought it was a personality defect, but it turns out to be a game played by a guy with the email address "me2@......" Nicely done. |
Gould,
You are correct about treating employees fair and you will not have to worry about unions, but ....... What do you recommend doing for unskilled people working for such low pay? If you just keep raising the minimum wage, they will not have any reason to learn a skill. If you just keep raising minimum wage without an increase in productivity, you will have inflation, which is the most regressive tax, because it hurts the poor and those on fixed income the most. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... My non union tile guy, floated the floor the way they did 30 yrs ago. Rock solid and first class. My only complaint was he was such a perfectionist it took him forever, but that is a small price to pay for quality work Nothing wrong with non-union labor. I never worry about whether a contractor is union, or not. Right now the same guy who put in our new kitchen a couple of years ago is redoing all of our bathrooms. I've hired him to put kitchens and baths elsewhere as well. When he showed up for the bathroom tearouts, he did pass the most important test. "I guess with all those yard signs, you must be voting for change. That's great, me too!" (Never get on the wrong side of a political argument with a guy busting up an old tub with a sledge hammer). :-) Guys who are anti-uinion can very effectively dissuade labor from organizing: pay a fair and equitable wage, competitive benefits, and treat people right. Nobody who is already enjoying about the same wages and benefits the union workers get is going to be the least bit interested in paying union dues for nothing in return. |
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... You lost, Chuck. Better than being lost. Any day. But you apparently are. I finally figured you out, JimH. You're a put-on. It's been obvious for a while, but since you began using it as your email address you have revealed the essence of the canard: Everytime somebody makes a snide remark, you jump in to reinforce it. All this time I thought it was a personality defect, but it turns out to be a game played by a guy with the email address "me2@......" Nicely done. You through out an insult and I simply threw one back at you. You are a gem. A sniveling, whining gem who cannot accept the defeat of his candidate graciously and move on in life. |
"JimH" wrote in message ... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... You lost, Chuck. Better than being lost. Any day. But you apparently are. I finally figured you out, JimH. You're a put-on. It's been obvious for a while, but since you began using it as your email address you have revealed the essence of the canard: Everytime somebody makes a snide remark, you jump in to reinforce it. All this time I thought it was a personality defect, but it turns out to be a game played by a guy with the email address "me2@......" Nicely done. You through out an insult and I simply threw one back at you. You are a gem. A sniveling, whining gem who cannot accept the defeat of his candidate graciously and move on in life. Doh! It should say "You *threw* out an insult.." I committed a Bassy. LOL! |
What do you recommend doing for unskilled people working for such low pay?
If you just keep raising the minimum wage, they will not have any reason to learn a skill. A recommendation based on experience: When I ran businesses where I had a lot of employees, (well sort of "a lot"- had about 65 once), there were always a few entry level jobs that paid minimum wage. I guaranteed my commission sales people minimum wage, but they also understood I guaranteed they'd be putting their desk in a cardboard box if they didn't nearly always exceed mini-wage by a substantial amount. A business organization thrives as it brings its people up, not as it holds them down. The kid that hires on as a mini-wage lot boy shuffling cars around and picking up trash will hopefully prove to be a good employee that you train to become a higher-wage detailer or lube rack technician. If not, you dismiss him and replace him with somebody that can help the organization grow. No reasonable business person wants an employee who is so marginally productive that it makes no sense to pay more than $7.15 (current mniwage in our state) per hour. When a guy says, "I can't afford to pay my help more than $7.15 an hour", he's really stating, (IMO) that he's a lousy manager and unable to motivate his people to be productive. Business is all about getting rich, but in its best form it is also about enriching others along the way. The guy who thinks he's got the world dicked because his $7 an hour employees produce $30 an hour gross profit is usually lucky to rise above lower middle class himself. Give me a $15-25 an hour guy who can produce $100 an hour any day over a miniwager who can barely justify his nothing salary. I'll take as many hundred dollar bills (that I can buy for $25@) as I can get, and thank you very much. :-) |
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