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thunder wrote: On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:13:13 -0500, JohnH wrote: What do they call the 10,000 liberals moving to Canada? A good start. Lead the procession, both of you! Said the brown shirt to the Jew. Interesting how twisted one's perspective can get. krause has publically wished death on several individuals who disagreed with him. -- Charlie |
Dr Dr wrote:
You showed that you are interested in doing whatever is necessary to make a profit, to make your company profitable and to maximize your growth. You wanted to maximize the return to the owners at any costs, including firing people who were not able to do the job at the level you demanded of them. Spin it any way you want. That's not what I said, and any reasonable person can plainly see that. A person trolling for an argument might pretend I said I would "maximize return at any cost", but that's inconsistent with the facts. Nothing more to discuss in your first paragraph. What if a corporation did exactly what you recommended for your smaller company? Hired people with a capacity to grow into more responsible positions and encouraged them to do so? What if a corporation found it could it could hire better workers for less than their current employees? Should they fire those workers or continue to pay higher salaries to workers who are not as productive as the new work force? They should start with firing some supervisors. If inexperienced people off the street can be more productive and more efficient than those already on the job, something is being badly mismanaged. Now many large corporations are willing to take a chance that the cheapest available labor....(and what's cheaper than moving the entire company overseas?)....might be able to do the job as well or even better than the existing work force- but there is no way to *prove* that new workers will be more efficient and lower cost per unit output than the existing employees. What if a school district fired a teacher because here students were not performing well on their standardized tests. Since the students are the future of our country, shouldn't we hold them up to the same standards as you employed in your car business? It depends *why* the students aren't performing well on the standardized tests. Did the district reject the last 5 school bonds in a row, so that the average class size is now 50 students? How are the students doing compared to those in similar classes in the same district? It may the district, not the individual teacher, that is failing to perform well. There is no easy answer to your hypothetical question as there is a lack of information. If you developed enough information to phrase the question properly- the answer would be obvious before you asked it. |
"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message ... On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:25:07 +0000, Don White wrote: Yeah...and the "proper" Vancouver ;) Lloyd Your area get swindled out of land also? Look at a map of Northern Maine. The top third of the state should be part of the Maritimes. Those 'Yankee peddlers' must have hoodwinked the British into giving that up. |
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Spin it any way you want. That's not what I said, and any reasonable person can plainly see that. A person trolling for an argument might pretend I said I would "maximize return at any cost", but that's inconsistent with the facts. Nothing more to discuss in your first paragraph. Gould, I am not trolling for an argument, I was trying to get you to understand the constraints that are put on corporations in a global marketplace. I spun your management style in the same manner you like to spin it when you are talking about corporations and big business. You made decisions that were good for your car dealership. You did not want the government to come in and tell you who you could hire or who you can fire. When you talk about big business you always see them as evil, the same way I "spun" your wise management style into an evil manager. You were not evil, and you were probably successful and many people benefited from your decisions. If not, you would have been out of work. Now many large corporations are willing to take a chance that the cheapest available labor....(and what's cheaper than moving the entire company overseas?)....might be able to do the job as well or even better than the existing work force- but there is no way to *prove* that new workers will be more efficient and lower cost per unit output than the existing employees. Remember when you stated your job as a manager was not to take care of the unemployed, or those who could not or would not do the job up to your standards. It was not your job to give people a job, you job was to create an enviroment where your company and employees could succeed. As your company grew your employees could benefit. That is the goal of ever successful corportation and small business. A company can always tell if they made the correct decision. if your workers are more effiicient and they have a lower costs per unit than your competitior, and the product quality is competive or superior, you will sell more product. If you utilize your capital and manpower in the most effective way, you will become a stronger better company. You will be selling more widgets, be able to employ more people, be able to promote more of those people and give the consumer a better product. If you don't do that, you will lose market share, lose stock holders equity, workers will lose their job and consumers will have one less selection in the marketplace. Exactly the same concerns you described when talking about the constraints on the small businessman. It depends *why* the students aren't performing well on the standardized tests. Did the district reject the last 5 school bonds in a row, so that the average class size is now 50 students? How are the students doing compared to those in similar classes in the same district? I mentioned this because I thought you believed in giving teachers tenure and they should not be fired. Based upon your answer I think we agree, school districts should be able to evaluate their teachers and fire those who are not successful in teaching their students. Unfortunately in too many school districts it is impossible to fire unqualified teachers. We should bring the same management standards you used to create a successful company, to creating a successful school system. . |
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 23:29:55 GMT, "Dr. Dr. Smithers"
wrote: Netsock reminds me of Harry, continually telling everyone who he has in his bozo bin. "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:41:29 -0500, "Netsock" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... As you just did? Posting off topic... Feeding the trolls... Contributing nothing about boating... Strike three...you're out! *ploink* Hope I'm still out! John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! You reckon it's an ego thing? Does he with the largest bozo bin win? John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 02:15:19 +0000, Don White wrote:
"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message ... On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 15:25:07 +0000, Don White wrote: Yeah...and the "proper" Vancouver ;) Lloyd Your area get swindled out of land also? Look at a map of Northern Maine. The top third of the state should be part of the Maritimes. Those 'Yankee peddlers' must have hoodwinked the British into giving that up. Oh, yeah... Originally the border was going to be the Columbia River, so we would have all of Washington (not to mention Pt Roberts!). Vancouver, WA, was supposed to be the western HBC outpost. However, the US wanted "54-40 or fight!". We settled on the 49th Parallel, except it takes a dive south right after Pt Roberts so we get Vancouver Island (and the Gulf Islands, but they get the San Juans - including the American AND British parts of San Juan Island...) Lloyd Sumpter, Canadian |
Around 11/7/2004 1:50 PM, Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
Oh, yeah... Originally the border was going to be the Columbia River, so we would have all of Washington (not to mention Pt Roberts!). Vancouver, WA, was supposed to be the western HBC outpost. However, the US wanted "54-40 or fight!". We settled on the 49th Parallel, except it takes a dive south right after Pt Roberts so we get Vancouver Island (and the Gulf Islands, but they get the San Juans - including the American AND British parts of San Juan Island...) Ah, yes, the infamous Pig War. Amazing such a small, insignificant thing could have such lasting consequences. :) http://www.outwestnewspaper.com/pigwars.html -- ~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat" "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows |
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:29:01 -0800, Garth Almgren
wrote: Around 11/7/2004 1:50 PM, Lloyd Sumpter wrote: Oh, yeah... Originally the border was going to be the Columbia River, so we would have all of Washington (not to mention Pt Roberts!). Vancouver, WA, was supposed to be the western HBC outpost. However, the US wanted "54-40 or fight!". We settled on the 49th Parallel, except it takes a dive south right after Pt Roberts so we get Vancouver Island (and the Gulf Islands, but they get the San Juans - including the American AND British parts of San Juan Island...) Ah, yes, the infamous Pig War. Amazing such a small, insignificant thing could have such lasting consequences. :) http://www.outwestnewspaper.com/pigwars.html Thanks for the URL. That was an interesting read. John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 16:36:57 GMT, "Don White"
wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . Whether or not that figure is reasonable depends on what your source of income is. If the best job you get there only pays $300/week, you might have a problem. It's all relative. Dave Probably best geared towards retirees with a reasonable pension..., the almost wealthy who can show healthy income from investments.....or those who could set up a business there. Sort of the same principle as the New York exec who buys a first class home on a private canal in Boca Raton Florida for less than what a Manhattan suite would cost..... But not too many people actually working in Florida could afford them..... Dave |
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