"Charles" wrote in message
...
Why is it not surprising that you have problems with all kinds of
relationships in your life?

This sounds like a comment I once heard during a conversation where person A
was complaining about his car being broken into multiple times in his
driveway. Some new-age a-hole came along and said "Well, maybe you had just
owned those things for too long and it time for them to go to someone else".
:-)

Talk about pulling ideas outta your ass.....you can do better, Chucky.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:2v4tanF2hj9qsU1@uni-

This is a non-secular nation. .......

You want to clarify that just a bit, Mr. Hot-**** Professional Wordsmith?

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:2v4tanF2hj9qsU1@uni-

This is a non-secular nation. .......

You want to clarify that just a bit, Mr. Hot-**** Professional Wordsmith?

Here let me help you understand non-secular.:
------------------------------------------
non- pref. Not:
-----------------------------------------------
sec·u·lar adj.
1.. Worldly rather than spiritual.
2.. Not specifically relating to religion or to a religious body: secular
music.
3.. Relating to or advocating secularism.
4.. Not bound by monastic restrictions, especially not belonging to a
religious order. Used of the clergy.
Harry is saying the US is spiritual, related to religion, or bound by
monastic retrictions.

I don't know if I agree with Harry but that is his thesis.

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 01:49:38 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Charles" wrote in message
...
Why is it not surprising that you have problems with all kinds of
relationships in your life?

This sounds like a comment I once heard during a conversation where person A
was complaining about his car being broken into multiple times in his
driveway. Some new-age a-hole came along and said "Well, maybe you had just
owned those things for too long and it time for them to go to someone else".

Like - cosmic man. That must be an example of nuanced thinking. :)

Talk about pulling ideas outta your ass.....you can do better, Chucky.

One of my children, who will never forget my reaction, said to me once
"But Dad, you can always buy a new set of tools - maybe somebody
needed them."

Said tools was my prized Snap-On roller chest loaded with Snap-On
tools I had been gathering since my Grandfather gave me my first set
of Snap-On wrenches forged in Kenosha, WI and I ain't EVEN going to
tell you how long ago that was.

To say that the air turned blue with expletives is an understatement.
Said child got quite an education that morning. :)

Epilog: The State Police actually caught the three perps in the act
trying to pawn some of the tools and I managed to get 98% of them
back.

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 06:46:10 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 01:49:38 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Charles" wrote in message
...
Why is it not surprising that you have problems with all kinds of
relationships in your life?

This sounds like a comment I once heard during a conversation where person A
was complaining about his car being broken into multiple times in his
driveway. Some new-age a-hole came along and said "Well, maybe you had just
owned those things for too long and it time for them to go to someone else".

Like - cosmic man. That must be an example of nuanced thinking. :)

Talk about pulling ideas outta your ass.....you can do better, Chucky.

One of my children, who will never forget my reaction, said to me once
"But Dad, you can always buy a new set of tools - maybe somebody
needed them."

Said tools was my prized Snap-On roller chest loaded with Snap-On
tools I had been gathering since my Grandfather gave me my first set
of Snap-On wrenches forged in Kenosha, WI and I ain't EVEN going to
tell you how long ago that was.

To say that the air turned blue with expletives is an understatement.
Said child got quite an education that morning. :)

Epilog: The State Police actually caught the three perps in the act
trying to pawn some of the tools and I managed to get 98% of them
back.

How did they lift that roller chest into their vehicle?

They broke open the box and took the tools - left the box tipped over
on the floor of my shop.

Later,

Tom

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:41:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Doug Kanter wrote:
.... But, my dad has a thing about
control, and the rest of the family has decided he needs to be ground
down a
bit with a very coarse rasp. Otherwise, there's no living with him.

Same here. In some cases, the "coarse rasp" can be making it obvious
that you will not interact in any way shape or form, until the behaviour
improves. It's hard to be a control freak when people ignore you.

DSK


I should elaborate. You'll love this.

Had to fly to Long Island Wednesday and return yesterday. I had a social
engagement at 6:30 PM last night, so in order to get home in time, I had to
take a 6:00 AM flight out of LI. That's 5:00 AM arrival at the airport, had
to leave the hotel by 4:15, which meant waking up a little after 3:00 AM.

Last week, I called the hotel to inquire as to the odds of finding a cab at
that hour. They said "We can usually get one". OK. Called my dad who said
"We haven't figured out who's gonna take you to the airport yet.....". Hung
up. Thought about it for the rest of the day. Realized that the social
engagement would include a spectacular dinner & drinks. Found I could rent a
car from Budget for $88 plus tax, which to me was the right price for the
dinner & drinks. An insurance policy of sorts, to eliminate all variables
from my ride to the airport, except for the rental car breaking down.

Called dad, told him I was renting a car on MY DIME. He went ballistic -
something like "Who the hell do you think you are making decisions like
that? I'm running a company here, and employees do NOT take it upon
themselves to make decisions like that!!!" My responses included:

1) It's not a problem. You just THINK it is, and THAT'S the problem. You
just need to get over it.

2) It's in the same category as which suitcase I choose to bring, and which
clothing. Do you have any preferences about these things?

3) You control people, which is insulting. I control situations by
manipulating time, objects and information. Nobody's insulted that way.

Anyway....he never got over it, but at least he dropped the subject of the
rental car.

Thursday afternoon, 5:00 PM, he tells me my sister and her family are coming
to the office at 6:15 and we're all going out to dinner, and that he'll be
in a meeting till 6:00. My work was done, so I said "OK...I'm going back to
the hotel to wash up & change into warmer clothes. I'll be back here by
6:10".

This was not in his plans, so again, he twisted himself into knots and said
"I expect you to wait here until then...." or some such crap. I asked why,
in case there was a valid business reason. He said "Because when the other
salespeople come in from around the country, that's what THEY do!" I calmly
explained that because I was the only one there, there was no sensible
reason for it. He just shook his head & went back to his meeting. Outside
the restaurant, he took me aside to explain what a horrible thing I'd done.
I suggested that if he needed to control everyone's actions, perhaps a dog
would be a good thing to have. Dinner was great, though paradoxical.
Usually, he gives perfectly good waiters & waitresses a hard time over
nothing. That night, the waitress was an incompetent slug. The manager came
over to take away appetizer plates. Dad says "That's a great waitress you've
got there". The manager says "Well, she's been in this industry for almost
10 years". Dad says "It certainly shows".

Life's weird.


Sounds like your dad has a very controlling personality, almost as bad
as my wife. It also sounds as though you have developed coping
mechanisms, as I have with my wife. Just be glad you don't have to
live with your dad!

I know that this is a psychological disorder, and can probably be
helped with therapy. However, controlling personality types don't
(obviously) like anyone suggesting they go to therapy. I don't know
what the solution is.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

I think you've got it. I don't think they'll like it though. It's not
'off the wall' enough.

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 13:39:25 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message

Bush fared best among those who said moral values were the most
important issue, and among those who said terrorism two of the top
issues.

You guys can spin this any way you want if it makes you feel better. The
"moral values" term was put into the exit polls by someone, and the left is
now seizing on it to rationalize everything.

Paint it as a victory for religious zealots if you wish, but the facts and
the reality remain clear to those who observe and think. There is no
looming theocracy, no mandated church attendance, no crackdown of thought
police. These are the rantings of the whackos.

The plain truth is that the preponderance of the American People -- ordinary
folk who work, pay their taxes, and try to raise their kids into good,
responsible citizens -- have observed the direction in which their country
has been drifting through a variety of social issues, and stood up to say
"Enough"! Enough of having norms and mores dictated to us by the North-East
"intelligentsia", Academia, and Hollywood. Enough of abortion on demand as
a simple and convenient birth control device. Enough of the idea that my 13
year-old daughter ought to be able to procure a government funded abortion
without any communication at all with us, her parents. Enough of those who
would invoke expensive and generous government support programs for those
merely without the inclination or self-control to protect themselves.
Enough of those who would prohibit a simple Christian prayer at the start of
the school day and remove the words "under God" from the Pledge of
Allegiance in an overwhelmingly Christian nation, all under the guise of
constitutionally required "separation", but enforce involuntary in-school
"familiarization" with the religions of other. Enough of these so-called
recording "artists" who saturate our children with lyrics about f-ing their
bitches and killing cops, and are then put forth as the real American
character and as legitimate commentators on the national social environment.
Enough of this high-blown arrogance that would have us as ignorant country
bumpkins solely on the strength of our disagreement with your
pseudo-sophisticated notions that every sort of behavior is OK, that no one
should be held accountable for anything they do. We are good people, with
plain truths and solid values. There are more of us than there are of you,
and our numbers are growing. We will no longer be dictated to by
self-impressed cousins.

This is the message of 2004. The message that the Democrat Party is trying
desperately to mask and ignore, for in it, absent compelling change, lies
their demise.


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:23:28 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:2v4tanF2hj9qsU1@uni-

This is a non-secular nation. .......

You want to clarify that just a bit, Mr. Hot-**** Professional Wordsmith?


Let's see. If secular means 'non-religious', then non-secular would
mean non-non-religious but religious. So, Harry is finally seeing the
light. Good to hear. That's almost like having a Doctor Doctor in the
family.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Charles" wrote in message
...
Why is it not surprising that you have problems with all kinds of
relationships in your life?

This sounds like a comment I once heard during a conversation where person A
was complaining about his car being broken into multiple times in his
driveway. Some new-age a-hole came along and said "Well, maybe you had just
owned those things for too long and it time for them to go to someone else".
:-)

Talk about pulling ideas outta your ass.....you can do better, Chucky.

You really believe your little analogy explains your problems with
relationships in your life?

You've given ample gratuitous evidence (family, wife, neighbors) that
you struggle to make, maintain, and keep relationships with other people.

Same malady which krause suffers from also.

-- Charlie

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:31:44 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

It's going to be fun to watch America squander its future.

=============================

That's irresponsible to put it mildly.