"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On 09 Nov 2004 17:24:50 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

We believed that the Jap-Am's were a threat to national security.

The "Jap-Ams"? Pardon me, your unwashed slip is showing.

Jap-Am, short for "Japanese-Americans". I don't know about you, but I
don't like typing any more than I have to, and I use abbreviations
when I can.


When we took these "threats to national security" off to prison camps

Correction, they were NOT prison camps.

Idiot. People were taken to these places and not allowed to leave. That's a
prison no matter how you look at it.

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:57:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .


American citizens willingly curtailed many of their "rights" during
WWII, for the sake of the greater good.


You placed the word "rights" in quotation marks. One reason for using
quotation marks is to indicate that you don't believe the word indicates
something real. Is that what you believe?

In many cases, yes. People bandy the word "rights" around alot when
they really don't understand the meaning of the word. Some people
confuse "rights" with privileges. Also rights come with
responsibilities. There is no free ride. if you fail to live up to
those responsibilities, don't be surprised when you lose your rights.

Dave



Since the context of this discussion is American citizens being imprisoned
because of their ancestry, your use of quotation marks was completely
incorrect. Japanese citizens were denied ALL the rights guaranteed by the
law. They didn't willingly curtail them.

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:43:23 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


Our action alone will have no impact on the Red States, of course,
but...if upwards of 10 million Americans turned thumbs-down to
Jesusville...it would have an impact.

Harry, you really are going overboard on this. I think you need to put
this election into perspective. The reality is, what happens in
Washington, has very little impact on our lives. While you may be
distressed about the perceived shift to the right, the other reality is
that this country has *always* been governed by the center. It's a
fundamental property of democracy. That the DeLays, the Roves, the Bushs,
haven't grasped this concept, is setting them up for another failed
administration.

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:05:34 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:



In many cases, yes. People bandy the word "rights" around alot when they
really don't understand the meaning of the word. Some people confuse
"rights" with privileges. Also rights come with responsibilities. There is
no free ride. if you fail to live up to those responsibilities, don't be
surprised when you lose your rights.

Our founding fathers mentioned *inalienable* rights. Which "rights" are
you referring to?

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:54:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:37:19 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:



I've often wondered who is dumber - the horses or the people who own
them.

Gotta be careful here. Mrs. Eisboch reads this NG once in a while.

Horses are nice to rent at a nearby stable...for the half-day.

I had a mule once - great animal.

I work for one.

Ah - well...um......ok. :)

Later,

Tom

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:41:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Life's weird.

Next time you are out my way, drop me a line.

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:41:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Life's weird.

Next time you are out my way, drop me a line.

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004



Where exactly ARE you, anyway? :-) I know you're Northeast of Yonkers, but
beyond that.....???

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:47:39 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:35:40 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Clams Canino wrote:
This has to be - bar none - the funniest line I've ever, EVER, seen here.

-W

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Excuse me, and I certainly don't want to get into partisan politics...


I exist to make you laugh.

Actually, I've been trying to avoid partisan politics the last few days.
I don't think it partisan to express fear over the direction the
evangelical Christians are taking this country. It is their theology
that worries me.


What worries me is the perception and proliferation by the losers in
this past election, that the winners are somehow all evangelical
Christians. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Then again, to someone devoid of morals, even the most modest of
Christian looks evangelical.

It's all a matter of perspective.

Dave

Probably a lot more veterans than evangelicals on the Republican side.
Kerry, Sharpton, and Jackson are much more evangelical (based on their
own verbiage) than most of the Christians I know.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:55:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:41:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Life's weird.

Next time you are out my way, drop me a line.

Where exactly ARE you, anyway? :-) I know you're Northeast of Yonkers, but
beyond that.....???

NE corner of CT, but I'm not that far by road from anywhere.

Later,

Tom

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:01:45 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On 09 Nov 2004 17:24:50 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

We believed that the Jap-Am's were a threat to national security.

The "Jap-Ams"? Pardon me, your unwashed slip is showing.

Jap-Am, short for "Japanese-Americans". I don't know about you, but I
don't like typing any more than I have to, and I use abbreviations
when I can.



So, you have no objection to being called "KKK Fundie Dave?" Short for
Krazed Kristian Konservative Fundamentalist Dave? :}

Are we back to name-calling withing 48 hours?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:40:50 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On 09 Nov 2004 17:24:50 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

We believed that the Jap-Am's were a threat to national security.

The "Jap-Ams"? Pardon me, your unwashed slip is showing.

Jap-Am, short for "Japanese-Americans". I don't know about you, but I
don't like typing any more than I have to, and I use abbreviations
when I can.


When we took these "threats to national security" off to prison camps

Correction, they were NOT prison camps.

Idiot. People were taken to these places and not allowed to leave. That's a
prison no matter how you look at it.

Name-calling already? Usually that signifies loss of argument. [Well,
I can't think of anything else, so I'll call you a name and pretend
I've won.]

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:01:45 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On 09 Nov 2004 17:24:50 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

We believed that the Jap-Am's were a threat to national security.

The "Jap-Ams"? Pardon me, your unwashed slip is showing.

Jap-Am, short for "Japanese-Americans". I don't know about you, but I
don't like typing any more than I have to, and I use abbreviations
when I can.



So, you have no objection to being called "KKK Fundie Dave?" Short for
Krazed Kristian Konservative Fundamentalist Dave? :}

Are we back to name-calling withing 48 hours?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

The proposed "truce" was a farce from the beginning. The OT posts are back
as strong as ever as are the negative posts, snide posts and name calling.

Some folks will never change despite promises by them that they will.

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:40:50 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
. ..
On 09 Nov 2004 17:24:50 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

We believed that the Jap-Am's were a threat to national security.

The "Jap-Ams"? Pardon me, your unwashed slip is showing.

Jap-Am, short for "Japanese-Americans". I don't know about you, but I
don't like typing any more than I have to, and I use abbreviations
when I can.


When we took these "threats to national security" off to prison camps

Correction, they were NOT prison camps.

Idiot. People were taken to these places and not allowed to leave. That's
a
prison no matter how you look at it.

Name-calling already? Usually that signifies loss of argument. [Well,
I can't think of anything else, so I'll call you a name and pretend
I've won.]

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

The proposed "truce" was a farce from the beginning. The OT posts are back
as strong as ever as are the negative posts, snide posts and name calling.

Some folks will never change despite promises by them that they will.

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:12:38 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:55:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:41:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Life's weird.

Next time you are out my way, drop me a line.

Where exactly ARE you, anyway? :-) I know you're Northeast of Yonkers, but
beyond that.....???

NE corner of CT, but I'm not that far by road from anywhere.

Near Storrs?

About 25 miles SW of me.

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:40:50 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On 09 Nov 2004 17:24:50 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

We believed that the Jap-Am's were a threat to national security.

The "Jap-Ams"? Pardon me, your unwashed slip is showing.

Jap-Am, short for "Japanese-Americans". I don't know about you, but I
don't like typing any more than I have to, and I use abbreviations
when I can.


When we took these "threats to national security" off to prison camps

Correction, they were NOT prison camps.

Idiot. People were taken to these places and not allowed to leave. That's
a
prison no matter how you look at it.

Name-calling already? Usually that signifies loss of argument. [Well,
I can't think of anything else, so I'll call you a name and pretend
I've won.]

Any thoughts on Dave's theory that Japanese citizens were held in a place
that wasn't really a prison?

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:55:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
message
.. .
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:41:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Life's weird.

Next time you are out my way, drop me a line.

Where exactly ARE you, anyway? :-) I know you're Northeast of Yonkers,
but
beyond that.....???

NE corner of CT, but I'm not that far by road from anywhere.


Is it a dry county? And, can ya get there from here? :-)

Doug Kanter wrote:

Yeah....really. :-) Or more resourceful ones, or something. Hell...even
after 3 days of October hiking without a bath, a certain female in my life
still figured out some way of being clean, and this was NOT a time of year
(in the Adirondacks) when one jumps into the nearest pond.

Did you complain to all the animal parents that the animal kiddies were
pooping around your campsite?

-- Charlie

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:53:51 -0500, DSK wrote:

Were they on the coast? The Japanese that were interred were the
coastal
residents.


IIRC the Americans... yes, native born Americans of Japanese descent...
interned during WW2 were not only from the West Coast.

Doug Kanter wrote:
Well...let's see...plenty of Germans lived in NYC, NJ and Long Island.
German subs got as close as a few miles off the coast of NJ & LI.


Heck yeah, there was a German sub sunk at the mouth of the Potomac River!
;)

There is one sunk off of Newport which was a scuttle after being
attacked on the surface by the CG and another out by The Dump that is
a confirmed Uboat, but they don't have the documentation on it.

Later,

Tom

Is that the one the private divers discovered and researched? Show on PBS
one time about it.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:SO9kd.3807

Any thoughts on Dave's theory that Japanese citizens were held in a place
that wasn't really a prison?


I've always used the term "concentration camp" to describe the places.


-W

See? The fundies have less aggregate grip over time - not more. :)

-W

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:2vco1bF2k47l4U4@uni-

Storrs was "dry" the three weeks I spent there the summer after my
junior year of high school. By now, surely, it has changed. Even Kansas
sells booze by the drink.

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:29:46 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:12:38 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:55:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
om...
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:41:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Life's weird.

Next time you are out my way, drop me a line.

Where exactly ARE you, anyway? :-) I know you're Northeast of Yonkers, but
beyond that.....???

NE corner of CT, but I'm not that far by road from anywhere.

Near Storrs?

About 25 miles SW of me.

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004


Damn...I didn't think anyone actually lived in Tolland.

Tolland would be north of Storrs. I live in Woodstock.

I attended a "summer school" at Storrs between my junior and senior
years of high school. Stayed in one of a series of connected dorms
running up the side of a hill, Hartford Hall, I think. The cafeteria was
way up at the top, and it took forever to get there. So we ate at a
joint across the street called Freds. The best part of Storrs was a
UConn dairy facility where they served up great ice cream and sodas.
Storrs was dry back then. We improvised with OJ and terpin hydrate.
Why was I there. Some sort of statewide "civics" course that four lucky
winners from each public hs won...or some such silliness. It was for
three weeks. Pretty campus.

The creamery is still there and in the summer is still quite the
attraction.

And the campus has changed somewhat since you were there, but it still
is considered a beautiful campus.

Later,

Tom

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:33:08 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:55:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
message
.. .
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:41:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Life's weird.

Next time you are out my way, drop me a line.

Where exactly ARE you, anyway? :-) I know you're Northeast of Yonkers,
but
beyond that.....???

NE corner of CT, but I'm not that far by road from anywhere.


Is it a dry county? And, can ya get there from here? :-)

No - it's a dry town.

And yes, you can get there from here - or here from there.

Later,

Tom

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:58:53 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:53:51 -0500, DSK wrote:

Were they on the coast? The Japanese that were interred were the
coastal
residents.


IIRC the Americans... yes, native born Americans of Japanese descent...
interned during WW2 were not only from the West Coast.

Doug Kanter wrote:
Well...let's see...plenty of Germans lived in NYC, NJ and Long Island.
German subs got as close as a few miles off the coast of NJ & LI.


Heck yeah, there was a German sub sunk at the mouth of the Potomac River!
;)

There is one sunk off of Newport which was a scuttle after being
attacked on the surface by the CG and another out by The Dump that is
a confirmed Uboat, but they don't have the documentation on it.

Is that the one the private divers discovered and researched? Show on PBS
one time about it.

Yes - they can't figure out which U boat it is. It could be one of
seven different boats.

It has also entered the Hitler lore as a possible treasure ship, much
like U-853 off Block Island.

Later,

Tom

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:15:35 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Clams Canino wrote:
See? The fundies have less aggregate grip over time - not more. :)

-W

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:2vco1bF2k47l4U4@uni-

Storrs was "dry" the three weeks I spent there the summer after my
junior year of high school. By now, surely, it has changed. Even Kansas
sells booze by the drink.


I'm not sure about that. The county in which the campus was located was
not dry...just Storrs. And in those days, Storrs consisted of UConn and
a couple of stores on a little road.

Still is.

Later,

Tom

I'm speaking to "dry cities, counties, states - in general. And to Blue
laws etc etc.

-W

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Clams Canino wrote:
See? The fundies have less aggregate grip over time - not more. :)

-W

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:2vco1bF2k47l4U4@uni-

Storrs was "dry" the three weeks I spent there the summer after my
junior year of high school. By now, surely, it has changed. Even Kansas
sells booze by the drink.


I'm not sure about that. The county in which the campus was located was
not dry...just Storrs. And in those days, Storrs consisted of UConn and
a couple of stores on a little road.

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:13:33 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:01:45 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On 09 Nov 2004 17:24:50 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

We believed that the Jap-Am's were a threat to national security.

The "Jap-Ams"? Pardon me, your unwashed slip is showing.

Jap-Am, short for "Japanese-Americans". I don't know about you, but I
don't like typing any more than I have to, and I use abbreviations
when I can.



So, you have no objection to being called "KKK Fundie Dave?" Short for
Krazed Kristian Konservative Fundamentalist Dave? :}

Are we back to name-calling withing 48 hours?

John H


Missed the smiley face, eh?

Yup, sure did! My boo-boo.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Harry,
Keep it simple, give em the red states.
Paul

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dave Hall wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:49:12 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:27:51 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:05:08 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


They had their reasons back then. They were concerned about
espionage.
When viewed through the filter of time, it looks like an
indefensible
action. But at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do considering
the
circumstances.

Of course, the idea was to learn from history, not judge history. We
are
a good people, who have occasionally done bad things. Japanese
internment
was a bad thing.


As a nation, we've done lots of good things and lots of bad things.
Considering the large number of the latter, we ought to be more
cautious
when we're undertaking "things" that will harm people. As an example,
there's no legitimate excuse or justification for what we did to the
native Americans. We destroyed their civilizations.


I don't see you offering up your land as restitution......

Dave


What a stupid remark.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Dave


It is up to the government of the United States to make proper
restitution to the descendents of those native Americans who were tossed
off their lands or slaughtered or both. It was formalized government
policy that cause the removals and slaughter.


If it were up to me, I'd give native Americans the titles to Texas,
Alabama, Mississippi, North and South Dakota and Missouri.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:2vc03pF2igrriU1@uni-

Sorry, but I find your views so backwards and bizarre, I see no reason
for further discussion.

TRANSLATION: [from KrauseCrap to English] "Oh Yeah? Well, I'm gonna take
my ball and go home!"

LOL

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
link.net...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
message
...
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:53:51 -0500, DSK wrote:

Were they on the coast? The Japanese that were interred were the
coastal
residents.


IIRC the Americans... yes, native born Americans of Japanese descent...
interned during WW2 were not only from the West Coast.

Doug Kanter wrote:
Well...let's see...plenty of Germans lived in NYC, NJ and Long
Island.
German subs got as close as a few miles off the coast of NJ & LI.


Heck yeah, there was a German sub sunk at the mouth of the Potomac
River!
;)

There is one sunk off of Newport which was a scuttle after being
attacked on the surface by the CG and another out by The Dump that is
a confirmed Uboat, but they don't have the documentation on it.

Later,

Tom

Is that the one the private divers discovered and researched? Show on
PBS
one time about it.



That was off New Jersey.

"Charles" wrote in message
...


Doug Kanter wrote:

Yeah....really. :-) Or more resourceful ones, or something. Hell...even
after 3 days of October hiking without a bath, a certain female in my
life
still figured out some way of being clean, and this was NOT a time of
year
(in the Adirondacks) when one jumps into the nearest pond.

Did you complain to all the animal parents that the animal kiddies were
pooping around your campsite?

-- Charlie

No, stupid. I was using THEIR yard.

On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:34:27 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:


TRANSLATION: [from KrauseCrap to English]

You must not have gotten the memo.

bb

Harry Krause wrote:


Oh, I'm more and more in favor of secession and perhaps an amalgamation
with Canada. Let the Red States sink back into the primordial ooze of
theocracy, bigotry, religious intolerance and endless war-mongering.

We came to one decision already here...we're selling our Florida real
estate, will no longer spend our vacation money in Red States, and will
avoid where possible making any purchases that support Red State
enterprises. It costs me no more to vacation in the Carib than in does
in Florida.

Our action alone will have no impact on the Red States, of course,
but...if upwards of 10 million Americans turned thumbs-down to
Jesusville...it would have an impact.


Mrs. E and I are getting close to declaring Florida as our primary
residence. I'll agree to your blue state secession plan only if you
agree to move the Red Sox to Florida.

Eisboch

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:19:38 -0500, Eisboch wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:


Oh, I'm more and more in favor of secession and perhaps an amalgamation
with Canada. Let the Red States sink back into the primordial ooze of
theocracy, bigotry, religious intolerance and endless war-mongering.

We came to one decision already here...we're selling our Florida real
estate, will no longer spend our vacation money in Red States, and will
avoid where possible making any purchases that support Red State
enterprises. It costs me no more to vacation in the Carib than in does
in Florida.

Our action alone will have no impact on the Red States, of course,
but...if upwards of 10 million Americans turned thumbs-down to
Jesusville...it would have an impact.


Mrs. E and I are getting close to declaring Florida as our primary
residence. I'll agree to your blue state secession plan only if you
agree to move the Red Sox to Florida.

We can move Veritek to Florida it would appear. :)

Later,

Tom

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:01:45 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On 09 Nov 2004 17:24:50 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

We believed that the Jap-Am's were a threat to national security.

The "Jap-Ams"? Pardon me, your unwashed slip is showing.

Jap-Am, short for "Japanese-Americans". I don't know about you, but I
don't like typing any more than I have to, and I use abbreviations
when I can.



So, you have no objection to being called "KKK Fundie Dave?" Short for
Krazed Kristian Konservative Fundamentalist Dave? :}


I wouldn't mind if it were true.

Dave

On 09 Nov 2004 18:23:57 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Jap-Am, short for "Japanese-Americans". I don't know about you, but I
don't like typing any more than I have to,

So, like me, your posts are very brief. :-)

Correction, they were NOT prison camps.

When you are confined to a fenced area, housed in a barracks, not allowed to
come and go at your own free will, subject to being shot from a guard tower if
you try to escape, and your life is regimented 24/7, what would you call that,
a resort?

But once again, it was not prison, and they were not criminals.

We agree on one thing: they were not criminals.

The Japanese lost houses, farms, businesses, etc to
repossession and public auction.

THAT was wrong. It's not like they asked to become delinquent.

Ah, but if you were the landlord, the mortgage holder, etc.....should *you* be
economically punished because "you can't trust them sneaky, slanty-eyed Japs"?

The only way to avoid this very wrong situaiton would have been not hauling the
Japanese off to prison camp in the first place.

With the wisdom of hindsight, I agree with you.

Dave

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:31:46 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:40:50 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On 09 Nov 2004 17:24:50 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

We believed that the Jap-Am's were a threat to national security.

The "Jap-Ams"? Pardon me, your unwashed slip is showing.

Jap-Am, short for "Japanese-Americans". I don't know about you, but I
don't like typing any more than I have to, and I use abbreviations
when I can.


When we took these "threats to national security" off to prison camps

Correction, they were NOT prison camps.

Idiot. People were taken to these places and not allowed to leave. That's
a
prison no matter how you look at it.

Name-calling already? Usually that signifies loss of argument. [Well,
I can't think of anything else, so I'll call you a name and pretend
I've won.]

Any thoughts on Dave's theory that Japanese citizens were held in a place
that wasn't really a prison?

It was an internment camp. They were not there as a result of any real
"crime". While you see no difference in the conditions, they were not
the same thing.

Dave

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:03:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:30:10 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:49:12 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:27:51 -0500, Harry Krause
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thunder wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:05:08 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:


They had their reasons back then. They were concerned about espionage.
When viewed through the filter of time, it looks like an indefensible
action. But at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do considering the
circumstances.

Of course, the idea was to learn from history, not judge history. We are
a good people, who have occasionally done bad things. Japanese internment
was a bad thing.


As a nation, we've done lots of good things and lots of bad things.
Considering the large number of the latter, we ought to be more cautious
when we're undertaking "things" that will harm people. As an example,
there's no legitimate excuse or justification for what we did to the
native Americans. We destroyed their civilizations.


I don't see you offering up your land as restitution......

Dave


What a stupid remark.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Dave


It is up to the government of the United States to make proper
restitution to the descendents of those native Americans who were tossed
off their lands or slaughtered or both. It was formalized government
policy that cause the removals and slaughter.

Nice way to wiggle out of any responsibility. What would you say then
if the government came to claim your land as restitution?


I've got about 83 acres over in Northern Virginia the government can
have for fair market value...it'll save me the real estate commission.
I'd love to see some native Americans living on it...

Ok. Then the government can seize it for free under eminent domain and
return it to the Indians. Since you were not entitled to that land in
the first place, you should not receive any profit due to the act of
returning it to where it rightfully belongs.

Dave

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:43:48 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:57:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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American citizens willingly curtailed many of their "rights" during
WWII, for the sake of the greater good.


You placed the word "rights" in quotation marks. One reason for using
quotation marks is to indicate that you don't believe the word indicates
something real. Is that what you believe?

In many cases, yes. People bandy the word "rights" around alot when
they really don't understand the meaning of the word. Some people
confuse "rights" with privileges. Also rights come with
responsibilities. There is no free ride. if you fail to live up to
those responsibilities, don't be surprised when you lose your rights.

Dave



Since the context of this discussion is American citizens being imprisoned
because of their ancestry, your use of quotation marks was completely
incorrect. Japanese citizens were denied ALL the rights guaranteed by the
law. They didn't willingly curtail them.

I was not referring to the Jap-Am's when I made that comment. I was
referring to normal American citizens, who had to endure curfews, the
hanging of dark curtains, the prohibition of displaying outdoor lights
(As in Christmas). Curtailed traveling due to fuel rationing,
increased financial hardship due to so many family breadwinners
fighting in the war.

I could go on, but I'm hopeful you get the general idea.

Dave

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:18:27 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:05:34 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:



In many cases, yes. People bandy the word "rights" around alot when they
really don't understand the meaning of the word. Some people confuse
"rights" with privileges. Also rights come with responsibilities. There is
no free ride. if you fail to live up to those responsibilities, don't be
surprised when you lose your rights.

Our founding fathers mentioned *inalienable* rights. Which "rights" are
you referring to?

What, you want me to list them? I don't have the time, nor the desire
to do the research necessary to make up an accurate list.

Suffice to say that anything you do which has an affect on the rest of
society is up for grabs.

Dave

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:57:32 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:43:23 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


Our action alone will have no impact on the Red States, of course,
but...if upwards of 10 million Americans turned thumbs-down to
Jesusville...it would have an impact.

Harry, you really are going overboard on this. I think you need to put
this election into perspective. The reality is, what happens in
Washington, has very little impact on our lives. While you may be
distressed about the perceived shift to the right, the other reality is
that this country has *always* been governed by the center. It's a
fundamental property of democracy. That the DeLays, the Roves, the Bushs,
haven't grasped this concept, is setting them up for another failed
administration.

I tend to look at it as a tug of war. There is give and take on both
sides, and the result of which tends to be more centrist.

The problem now is that both sides have become so polarized, there is
little room left for compromise. The republicans control most of the
government, but that won't stop the democrats from using every dirty
trick in the book to throw a wrench into the works, to prevent any
workable legislation out of congress.

Then they will turn around and have the unmitigated gaul to blame the
"failure" of the government to get anything done, on the
republicans.....

Nancy Pelosi has practically said as much..


Dave