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There's only two things I know of that smell like fresh fish. One of them is fresh fish. -W "bb" wrote in message ... On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:57:25 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: I'm starting a church centered around fishing and pussy. Drop the fishing part and I'm in. bb |
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"Clams Canino" wrote in message nk.net... Well.... actually the Constitution only proscribed that "*Congress* shall make no law establishing a religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" The **intent** was to avoid a "Church of England" scenario where the there was a preferred religion ordained by the govt and the rest were "discouraged". It's only activist courts that have loosely interpreted that to the point where nothing of *any* religious signficance is welcomed in *any* public place. I don't believe that was the framers intent at all. And I'm not sure it was ever intended to reach down into local govt the way it has. After all it deliniated "congress" in the text. It didn't intend to even reach to the state level.......many states had official state religions, some until well into the 19th century. The "separation clause" got that name after the fact. If the same courthouse "zeal" to interpret the law so strictly to the letter, were to apply to the arms ammentment, then my right to own a nuclear weapon or tomahawk missile system could not be infringed. :) -W "John Gaquin" wrote in message news:H6CdnYNaEPkICxLcRVn- The Constitution proscribes the suppression of religion with equal zeal. |
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:30:38 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Gould 0738 wrote: I was reading this book about early North American exploration. It said that the a portion of the French priests that came over to convert the Native Americans did so with the belief that they were the lost tribe of Israel. Could have been. The indigenous population of the Americas resulted from a mixture of people from various parts of the world for many hundreds, if not thousands, of years before the Columbian expeditions. The original missionary priests in the Mississippi vallley reported discovering native tribes with blue and hazel eyes, and fair skin. In New England, three British missionaries were about to be burned at the stake. Two were English, the third had grown up speaking Welsh as a child. As the Native Americans were geting ready to light off the pyres, the Welsh missionary began calling out to God in his childhood language. Many of the words were so similar to the language used by the tribe that had captured these missionaries that some of the captors understood that he was calling out, in a dialect of *their own language* to a powerful spirit for help. The missionaries were released unharmed, as a result of this amazing "sign". There are literally scores of similar accounts, those are the two I remember most easily. Don't forget Blazing Saddles, in which the Indian chief spoke Yiddish. Every child born in America should be sent home with a copy of that movie. ``````````````````````````` "I hired you people to try to get a little track laid, not to jump around like a bunch of Kansas City faggots." ``````````````````````````` "Qualifications? Rape, murder, arson, and rape. You said rape twice. I like rape." `````````````````````````````` "I got it. What? Let's kill every first born male child in Rock Ridge. Nah, too Jewish." `````````````````````````````````````````````````` `````````````````````````` ````````````````` "What do you want me to do sir? I want you to round up ever vicious criminal and gun slinger in the west. Take this down. I want rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, ****-kickers and Methodists." `````````````````````````````````````````````````` `````````````````````````` `````````````````` "Now if that don't beat all. Here we take the good time and trouble to slaughter every last Indian in the West, and for what? So we can appoint a sheriff that's blacker than any Indian. I AM depressed. Excuse me, Mr. Taggart, sir, but I sure do hate to see you like this. What if me and the boys was to shoot that ****** dead? Would that pep you up some? That might help . . ." ````````````````````````````````````````````` "I got it. I got it. You do? We'll work up a "Number 6" on 'em. Number 6"? I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that one... Well, that's where we go a-ridin' into town, a whampin' and whompin' every livin' thing that moves within an inch of its life. Except the women folks, of course. You spare the women? NAW. We rape the **** out of them at the Number 6 Dance later on. Marvelous." `````````````````````````````````````````````````` ````````````` So what do you think - third grade, fourth grade home work assignment? :) Later, Tom ` Nah....age 15 or so would be about right. My son and his friends understand where this kind of crap fits into culture. Until then, the DVD would be hidden, in the same way you usually don't tell kids about the savings bonds grandma bought them when they were 3 years old. :-) |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:08:31 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ Nah....age 15 or so would be about right. My son and his friends understand where this kind of crap fits into culture. Until then, the DVD would be hidden, in the same way you usually don't tell kids about the savings bonds grandma bought them when they were 3 years old. :-) LOL!!! Actually, "Blazing Saddles" is one of my favorite movies. Every time I see the campfire seen with the gas attack, I crack up. Kind of reminds me of a time a few klicks south of Pleiku...... :) Later, Tom "Beware the one legged man in a butt kicking contest - he is there for a reason." Wun Hung Lo - date unknown |
When you are at war, you have to cover your bases.
Cover your bases? By interning American citizens? Dave Hall wrote: They had their reasons back then. They were concerned about espionage. When viewed through the filter of time, it looks like an indefensible action. No, the internment of the Nisei is not "indefensible." It has the defense you offered: sabotage & espionage. ... But at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do considering the circumstances. It was reasonable only if you consider that American citizens have no rights that the gov't need respect. Clearly, you (and a lot of people) believe that the convenience of the gov't should override any & all basic citizen's rights. I disagree with that philosophy. DSK |
"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:45:19 -0500, thunder wrote: On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:29:47 -0500, Dave Hall wrote: It's this kind of thinking that resulted in over 110,000 Japanese-Americans being "relocated" at the beginning of Wo rldWarII. When you are at war, you have to cover your bases. Cover your bases? By interning American citizens? They had their reasons back then. They were concerned about espionage. When viewed through the filter of time, it looks like an indefensible action. But at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do considering the circumstances. Dave Why do you suppose millions of Germans weren't rounded up too? |
Gould 0738 wrote:
She's smart enough to know that she doesn't want to present, "It's me or the boat." There are some things, like a dog, that a guy could live without..... Eisboch wrote: Oh, man. :-) Mrs.E actually suggested that once in a hypothetical way. During one of our "conversations" she asked how I would like it if she said that I had to choose between her and the boat, and I answered, "Well, I suppose there is some things I can live without". She doesn't always appreciate my humor and I damn near caught a horseshoe off the back of my head. Horses... huh, it's a good thing she's married to you and not me. But then, I have never been able to afford more than one expensive hobby at a time. My situation is somewhat different... I was well on my way to being a confirmed old batchelor when I met the girl I married. She was (and still is) purusing a very demanding career; actually when we met she was finishing up the tremendous amount of schooling & interning entailed in her career path... OTOH she had a dog (I love dogs), a sailboat (I love sailing), and had her priorities right enough that she *made* the time for them. After a year or so of increasingly realizing that I had never met a woman like her, we married. She would no more ask me to give up my boat than I would ask her to give up hers! Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: It funny, but my family never once, even in theory, have begrudged me the boats I've owned over the years. Then again, it get's me out of the house and out of their hair. That's true. I used to give my family the seasons regatta schedule well ahead of time so they'd know when I wouldn't be pestering them ;) Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 08 Nov 2004 17:35:58 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: I'm starting a church centered around fishing and pussy. I don't know. That plan has been tried before, rather often resulting in a religious tradition that doesn't quite pass the sniff test. Hmmmmm - maybe I should have done that Church of the Bearded Clam joke. Later, Tom ----------- "Angling may be said to be so like the mathematics that it can never be fully learnt..." Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653 You guys need to find some gals who bathe. Yeah....really. :-) Or more resourceful ones, or something. Hell...even after 3 days of October hiking without a bath, a certain female in my life still figured out some way of being clean, and this was NOT a time of year (in the Adirondacks) when one jumps into the nearest pond. |
Perhaps it's the "free exercise thereof" that people cling to when they go
to court over this stuff. Not much different from the way both sides of the gun issue dissect the constitution and highlight the bits that help their cause. |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:33:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:45:19 -0500, thunder wrote: On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:29:47 -0500, Dave Hall wrote: It's this kind of thinking that resulted in over 110,000 Japanese-Americans being "relocated" at the beginning of Wo rldWarII. When you are at war, you have to cover your bases. Cover your bases? By interning American citizens? They had their reasons back then. They were concerned about espionage. When viewed through the filter of time, it looks like an indefensible action. But at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do considering the circumstances. Why do you suppose millions of Germans weren't rounded up too? Initially, there was strong sentiment in the country for the Germans which, as you would expect, strong in the middle section of the country. I suppose that had something to do with it. Also, they were white, which also had something to do with it. However, there was point right before we entered the war in which Germans in middle America were not interred as much as spyed and reported on. My maternal Grandparents, for instance, had a shortwave radio taken away from them because they could have received sabotage instructions over it. Even though they had three kids in the service, my mother in the USCG and her two brothers in the Marine Corps, they were still suspect. It just wasn't internment - it was suspicion which can be just as bad. All the best, Tom -------------- "What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup... is there a computer terminal in the day room of some looney bin somewhere?" Bilgeman - circa 2004 |
Chuck,
Once ya get past the smell, ya got it licked. Paul "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... I'm starting a church centered around fishing and pussy. I don't know. That plan has been tried before, rather often resulting in a religious tradition that doesn't quite pass the sniff test. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:2v9jedF2js907U1@uni- Sorry, but if I were a Jewish or Buddhist kid, and a Christian prayer werre recited aloud each morning in my public school, I'd be mightily offended. Harry, the fact that you would be offended by A, B, or C is meaningless. You're offended by anything that doesn't conform to your ideas. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:2v9o92F2jgfj5U4@uni- Not too familiar with the establishment clause, eh? Keep researching. ???? |
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:45:19 -0500, thunder wrote: On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:29:47 -0500, Dave Hall wrote: It's this kind of thinking that resulted in over 110,000 Japanese-Americans being "relocated" at the beginning of Wo rldWarII. When you are at war, you have to cover your bases. Cover your bases? By interning American citizens? They had their reasons back then. They were concerned about espionage. When viewed through the filter of time, it looks like an indefensible action. But at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do considering the circumstances. Dave Why do you suppose millions of Germans weren't rounded up too? Were they on the coast? The Japanese that were interred were the coastal residents. Bill |
"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:45:19 -0500, thunder wrote: On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:29:47 -0500, Dave Hall wrote: It's this kind of thinking that resulted in over 110,000 Japanese-Americans being "relocated" at the beginning of Wo rldWarII. When you are at war, you have to cover your bases. Cover your bases? By interning American citizens? They had their reasons back then. They were concerned about espionage. When viewed through the filter of time, it looks like an indefensible action. But at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do considering the circumstances. Dave Why do you suppose millions of Germans weren't rounded up too? Were they on the coast? The Japanese that were interred were the coastal residents. Bill Well...let's see...plenty of Germans lived in NYC, NJ and Long Island. German subs got as close as a few miles off the coast of NJ & LI. |
"WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:37:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: Perhaps it's the "free exercise thereof" that people cling to when they go to court over this stuff. Not much different from the way both sides of the gun issue dissect the constitution and highlight the bits that help their cause. No, it's nothing like that. Your comment is what we call a "strawman". What idiots call anything is of no consequence. "Doesn't mean **** to a tree", in other words. |
Were they on the coast? The Japanese that were interred were the coastal
residents. IIRC the Americans... yes, native born Americans of Japanese descent... interned during WW2 were not only from the West Coast. Doug Kanter wrote: Well...let's see...plenty of Germans lived in NYC, NJ and Long Island. German subs got as close as a few miles off the coast of NJ & LI. Heck yeah, there was a German sub sunk at the mouth of the Potomac River! ;) DSK |
Doug Kanter wrote:
Two of my childhood neighbors, ancient folks, were part of a volunteer effort to walk the Long Island beaches at night, nicely armed. Even then, NYC was a target, I guess. Nor was it mindless paranoia. There were two incidents of German subs landing agents on the U.S. East Coast; in one case it was on Long Island and they supposedly had orders to meet with "German sympathizers" in NYC (you can meet all types there, I guess), and begin a program of sabotage. We'd call it "terrorism" nowadays of course. BTW the German sub sunk in the mouth of the Potomac was an interned German sub that was used for research by the US Navy after WW2, and sunk there by them on purpose as an artificial reef. But don't tell JAXAshby that, he thinks it was sunk there in the war. Regards Doug "t'other one" King |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:53:51 -0500, DSK wrote:
Were they on the coast? The Japanese that were interred were the coastal residents. IIRC the Americans... yes, native born Americans of Japanese descent... interned during WW2 were not only from the West Coast. Doug Kanter wrote: Well...let's see...plenty of Germans lived in NYC, NJ and Long Island. German subs got as close as a few miles off the coast of NJ & LI. Heck yeah, there was a German sub sunk at the mouth of the Potomac River! ;) There is one sunk off of Newport which was a scuttle after being attacked on the surface by the CG and another out by The Dump that is a confirmed Uboat, but they don't have the documentation on it. Later, Tom |
Harry Krause wrote: And in the meantime, keep your steeeenking religion (whatever it is) out of my state and my public facilities and institutions. Ah, another thing your poor parents were never able to teach you: How to share. -- Charlie |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:49:12 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Dave Hall wrote: On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:27:51 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: thunder wrote: On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:05:08 -0500, Dave Hall wrote: They had their reasons back then. They were concerned about espionage. When viewed through the filter of time, it looks like an indefensible action. But at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do considering the circumstances. Of course, the idea was to learn from history, not judge history. We are a good people, who have occasionally done bad things. Japanese internment was a bad thing. As a nation, we've done lots of good things and lots of bad things. Considering the large number of the latter, we ought to be more cautious when we're undertaking "things" that will harm people. As an example, there's no legitimate excuse or justification for what we did to the native Americans. We destroyed their civilizations. I don't see you offering up your land as restitution...... Dave What a stupid remark. Put your money where your mouth is. Dave |
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:59:02 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Dave Hall wrote: On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:37:44 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: Ah, so you're a beneficiary of nepotism. That explains allot. You can always tell dad to take this job and shove it, if his iron hand bothers you so much. But something tells me you won't..... Dave You're right, Dave. What's satisfying about the job is: 1) I don't have to deal with him very much, and the rest of the people are a gas to work with. 2) Part of my job involves creating sanity from chaos with regard to their information systems. But, I have a year or two left. I need to be challenged more. See, I don't know about you, but if I were in your position, I would have to wonder whether I got to where I am be the sweat of my own brow, or through the charity of others. As long as there was that possibility, I'd never be 100% sure. I like knowing that I am what I am through my own efforts...... Dave Dunno why, Dave, but this song reminds me of you: He’s a real nowhere man, Sitting in his nowhere land, Making all his nowhere plans For nobody. ... He’s as blind as he can be, Just sees what he wants to see, Funny, that song reminds me of you. Imagine that. There's another song that reminds me of you, called "Angry young man" by Billy Joel. Although you are probably closer to the angry old man..... ......There's always a place for the angry young man, with his fist in the air and his head in the sand........ Dave |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:53:21 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Dave Hall wrote: On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:59:07 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John Gaquin wrote: "Gould 0738" wrote in message You may think you live in an "overwhelmingly Christian nation." Even if you do, one of the reasons generations of immigrants came to this country was a freedom to practice the religion of their choice. On reflection, I will acknowledge a misuse of the word 'Christian' in my original post, wherein I should have stated simply "...Enough of those who would prohibit a simple prayer at the start of the school day...". The Constitution proscribes the suppression of religion with equal zeal. Sorry, but if I were a Jewish or Buddhist kid, and a Christian prayer werre recited aloud each morning in my public school, I'd be mightily offended. Recitation of that prayer is practicing religion in a public facility. And that is not permitted under the separation clause The separation clause was there from what, the beginning? Yet, I can remember quite vividly a short prayer given in public school every day when I was in school. No one complained, not even the Jewish kids (or their parents) who just sat silent out of respect for the wishes of the majority. It's funny that such respect is no longer forthcoming from the minority. Instead of respect, we get "offense".... Dave Kinda reminds me of how many blacks in the south must have felt during segregationist days, when they were forced to live in a society that preached the superiority of the white race. When you are in Yankee Stadium, you don't talk about the virtues of the Mets. And don't get offended if talk about the Yankees bothers you. I don't give a damn what religious practices (short of child abuse) fundie Christians practice in their churches or their schools, so long as they don't push any of their bull**** out onto the public or into the public's facilities. In fact, I'm in favor of revoking the tax exemption for all religious institutions. I can see no reason why I should subsidize Christian fundies...or anyone else's fundies. Let them all pay a 10% gross receipts tax. Starting with the revocation of the tax exempt status for the NAACP, after their clear violation of non partisanship........ When I lived in NE Florida, one of the fundie churches pressured the teens in its congregation to take a public chastity until marriage pledge. A study several years later showed a higher rate of teen pregnancy than before. Lots of immaculate deception going on. The idea is a good one, even if the morally bankrupt mass media and their "hip" image is stacked against them. Dave |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:25:08 -0500, DSK wrote:
When you are at war, you have to cover your bases. Cover your bases? By interning American citizens? Dave Hall wrote: They had their reasons back then. They were concerned about espionage. When viewed through the filter of time, it looks like an indefensible action. No, the internment of the Nisei is not "indefensible." It has the defense you offered: sabotage & espionage. I said indefensible when viewed through the filter of time, namely now. The reasons for it at the time were pretty much clear cut. ... But at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do considering the circumstances. It was reasonable only if you consider that American citizens have no rights that the gov't need respect. American citizens willingly curtailed many of their "rights" during WWII, for the sake of the greater good. Clearly, you (and a lot of people) believe that the convenience of the gov't should override any & all basic citizen's rights. Only if the situation clearly requires it. I disagree with that philosophy. That is certainly your right. But remember how many generations before you abdicated their rights so that you could still have yours. Dave DSK |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:33:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 08:45:19 -0500, thunder wrote: On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:29:47 -0500, Dave Hall wrote: It's this kind of thinking that resulted in over 110,000 Japanese-Americans being "relocated" at the beginning of Wo rldWarII. When you are at war, you have to cover your bases. Cover your bases? By interning American citizens? They had their reasons back then. They were concerned about espionage. When viewed through the filter of time, it looks like an indefensible action. But at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do considering the circumstances. Dave Why do you suppose millions of Germans weren't rounded up too? If I were to speculate, I'd have to say that the government didn't feel that there was enough of a threat. Plus, I'm sure, as an issue of practicality, it's a lot harder to prove who's a German..... Dave |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:53:51 -0500, DSK wrote:
Were they on the coast? The Japanese that were interred were the coastal residents. IIRC the Americans... yes, native born Americans of Japanese descent... interned during WW2 were not only from the West Coast. Doug Kanter wrote: Well...let's see...plenty of Germans lived in NYC, NJ and Long Island. German subs got as close as a few miles off the coast of NJ & LI. Heck yeah, there was a German sub sunk at the mouth of the Potomac River! ; Supposedly there's another one sunk off the coast of N.J.. My father grew up in Atlantic City and used to tell me about sighting "U-Boats" off the coast. One of his favorite wrecks to fish there was sunk as a result of those subs. The people had to have dark curtains hung over their windows at night, and there were strict curfews. This was a part of those "rights" they were suspended during the war..... Dave |
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
... American citizens willingly curtailed many of their "rights" during WWII, for the sake of the greater good. You placed the word "rights" in quotation marks. One reason for using quotation marks is to indicate that you don't believe the word indicates something real. Is that what you believe? |
This has to be - bar none - the funniest line I've ever, EVER, seen here.
-W "Harry Krause" wrote in message Excuse me, and I certainly don't want to get into partisan politics... |
Think of them as a "voting block" - just like the other 10's of "voting
blocks" out there... They don't really take anything anywhere.... just exert an influence. I don't see another Taliban on the near horizon. -W "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Actually, I've been trying to avoid partisan politics the last few days. I don't think it partisan to express fear over the direction the evangelical Christians are taking this country. It is their theology that worries me. |
We believed that the Jap-Am's were a threat to national security.
The "Jap-Ams"? Pardon me, your unwashed slip is showing. When we took these "threats to national security" off to prison camps, there were no trials, no individual investigations, no requirements for evidence, no background checks, no objective steps taken *at all* to determine who was- or even might be- a threat to national security and who was not. If you were 50% or more Japanese, had a Japanese name, and "looked Oriental", your ass was grass. Once in prison, there was no due process available- not even a chance to appeal your innocence or prove you were not, and had never been, a threat to security. It was like locking up a female dog in heat. Who knows what trouble the poor beast would get into if let out? While interred, the rents and taxes on personal and business properties continued to accrue. The Japanese lost houses, farms, businesses, etc to repossession and public auction. Did you know that it was acutally *illegal* in many areas for a non-Japanese friend or non-Japanese relative to try to keep the payments and taxes current on properties owned by the Japanese prisoners? While it didn't do diddly squat for national security, the shameful internment of American citizens and legal immigrants based solely on racial characteristics proved to be a very effective means for profiteering through property forfeitures. Did you know that when the Japanese were hauled off to UnAmerica, many of their young men joined the army and were combined into a special "Jap" Regiment? The Japanese soldiers fought bravely in Italy, but were never sent to the Pacific theater for fear they might "revert" and turn their guns on US soldiers. (Funny there was no similar fear when US soldiers of German ancestry were sent to Europe in the same war). I am at a total loss to understand how anybody can defend Japanese imprisonment during WWII as a noble idea. It is one of the most shameful chapters in the history of a nation that proclaims "liberty, and justice, for all." The Germans believed that the Jews were an inferior race. We temporarily "secured" the Jap-Am's. The Germans exterminated the Jews. The comparison is not even close. The basic fact that the Jewish "race" and the Japanese race were both interred by their governments during the Second World War is not a close comparison--------it's an *exact* comparison. The Japanese were let out again, but sadly there were millions of Jews who butchered so there is no comparison between the fates of the two groups *after* they were imprisoned. |
If it were up to me, I'd give native Americans the titles to Texas,
Alabama, Mississippi, North and South Dakota and Missouri. Let 'em have the red states. (Just joking) |
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:35:40 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Clams Canino wrote: This has to be - bar none - the funniest line I've ever, EVER, seen here. -W "Harry Krause" wrote in message Excuse me, and I certainly don't want to get into partisan politics... I exist to make you laugh. Actually, I've been trying to avoid partisan politics the last few days. I don't think it partisan to express fear over the direction the evangelical Christians are taking this country. It is their theology that worries me. What worries me is the perception and proliferation by the losers in this past election, that the winners are somehow all evangelical Christians. Nothing could be further from the truth. Then again, to someone devoid of morals, even the most modest of Christian looks evangelical. It's all a matter of perspective. Dave |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:30:10 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Dave Hall wrote: On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:49:12 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Dave Hall wrote: On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:27:51 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: thunder wrote: On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:05:08 -0500, Dave Hall wrote: They had their reasons back then. They were concerned about espionage. When viewed through the filter of time, it looks like an indefensible action. But at the time, it was a reasonable thing to do considering the circumstances. Of course, the idea was to learn from history, not judge history. We are a good people, who have occasionally done bad things. Japanese internment was a bad thing. As a nation, we've done lots of good things and lots of bad things. Considering the large number of the latter, we ought to be more cautious when we're undertaking "things" that will harm people. As an example, there's no legitimate excuse or justification for what we did to the native Americans. We destroyed their civilizations. I don't see you offering up your land as restitution...... Dave What a stupid remark. Put your money where your mouth is. Dave It is up to the government of the United States to make proper restitution to the descendents of those native Americans who were tossed off their lands or slaughtered or both. It was formalized government policy that cause the removals and slaughter. Nice way to wiggle out of any responsibility. What would you say then if the government came to claim your land as restitution? If it were up to me, I'd give native Americans the titles to Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, North and South Dakota and Missouri. Fortunately, it's not up to you. Dave |
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:57:29 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . American citizens willingly curtailed many of their "rights" during WWII, for the sake of the greater good. You placed the word "rights" in quotation marks. One reason for using quotation marks is to indicate that you don't believe the word indicates something real. Is that what you believe? In many cases, yes. People bandy the word "rights" around alot when they really don't understand the meaning of the word. Some people confuse "rights" with privileges. Also rights come with responsibilities. There is no free ride. if you fail to live up to those responsibilities, don't be surprised when you lose your rights. Dave |
Our action alone will have no impact on the Red States, of course,
but...if upwards of 10 million Americans turned thumbs-down to Jesusville...it would have an impact. The only likely impact will be a sense of profound relief that folks from the blue states won't be defiling the region with sinful thoughts and wicked ways. :-) |
Jap-Am, short for "Japanese-Americans". I don't know about you, but I
don't like typing any more than I have to, So, like me, your posts are very brief. :-) Correction, they were NOT prison camps. When you are confined to a fenced area, housed in a barracks, not allowed to come and go at your own free will, subject to being shot from a guard tower if you try to escape, and your life is regimented 24/7, what would you call that, a resort? But once again, it was not prison, and they were not criminals. We agree on one thing: they were not criminals. The Japanese lost houses, farms, businesses, etc to repossession and public auction. THAT was wrong. It's not like they asked to become delinquent. Ah, but if you were the landlord, the mortgage holder, etc.....should *you* be economically punished because "you can't trust them sneaky, slanty-eyed Japs"? The only way to avoid this very wrong situaiton would have been not hauling the Japanese off to prison camp in the first place. |
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