Gould,

I thought you were smarter than that, my bad.

The attack ads and mud slinging from either the right or the left is not
targeted at democrats or republicans, they are targeted at the independents
and swing votes.

By the way, did you forget that independent study I referenced earlier, that
showed Kerry's team is more guilty of attack ads than Bush's team.

One needs to be careful of throwing stones if one lives in a glass house.

You are not upset about the slanderous slanderous attack ads, you are upset
because even though Kerry is using more negative advertising he is not as
effective as Bush's negative ads.






"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Doug,
I am glad you got a good education and have continued to learn. My point
to
Gould was the two surveys below showed that Republicans have a better
formal
education than Democrats.

And my point stands:

To what portion of the audience do the slandrous right wing attack ads
attempt
to appeal?

The college educated? puh-leeeze

By the way, did you forget that independent study I referenced earlier, that
showed Kerry's team is more guilty of attack ads than Bush's team.



I can probably find an "indenpendent study" that proves Hillary Clinton is the
Virgin Mary. An intelligent conservative would be ablr to organize a body of
evidence that surpasses a singel survey.

Give it up. Kerry's a loser. Being from MA and seeing his work ethic and
lack of any moral convictions in the past, is he going to change. I think
not.
He's just playing the game like the rest but to the nth degree.
Any moron today can get up and say he's for health care, social security,
world peace, save to poor and get votes.
Let's smarten up.
We'll never have world peace, social security is fine and if everyone would
stop abusing the present health care systems, they won't be so expensive.
I remember a time when you went to the doctor's office and paid for the
visit. We're not talking a lot of money here. But now, someone gets a wood
splinter and they run to the doctors.
The demos had a president who obsouletly dodge the draft during the Vietnam
war, but that was okay.
I must say that one's not much better than the other.

You know what, do what you want to do, but keep your hands out of my
pockets. I work hard for my money and do not appreciate handing it over to
people who want to abuse the system, sit home and watch the boob tube while
I'm working.



"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
By the way, did you forget that independent study I referenced earlier,
that
showed Kerry's team is more guilty of attack ads than Bush's team.



I can probably find an "indenpendent study" that proves Hillary Clinton is
the
Virgin Mary. An intelligent conservative would be ablr to organize a body
of
evidence that surpasses a singel survey.

Can you find one independent survey that proves Bush is more guilty of
slinging mud than Kerry?


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
By the way, did you forget that independent study I referenced earlier,
that
showed Kerry's team is more guilty of attack ads than Bush's team.



I can probably find an "indenpendent study" that proves Hillary Clinton is
the
Virgin Mary. An intelligent conservative would be ablr to organize a body
of
evidence that surpasses a singel survey.

Can you find one independent survey that proves Bush is more guilty of
slinging mud than Kerry?



I'm not inclined to look for one. Only those blind to the obvious, contrasting,
tone of the campaigns would need a survey to begin with.

Ok, since the survey didn't agree with your theory, it must be wrong. Since
I don't agree with you, I must be blind.

There is not much I can say.



"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Can you find one independent survey that proves Bush is more guilty of
slinging mud than Kerry?



I'm not inclined to look for one. Only those blind to the obvious,
contrasting,
tone of the campaigns would need a survey to begin with.

Ok, since the survey didn't agree with your theory, it must be wrong. Since
I don't agree with you, I must be blind.

There is not much I can say.

Sure there is. Say you don't agree with me, and explain why.

Don't rely on a survey to do your thinking for you. If I wanted to debate the
survey, I'd find out who put it together and communicate with them. Do you
speak for the survey group? If not, why would I bother to discuss it with you?

For every survey "proving" one side of a political issue, there is an equally
biased survey proving the other side. Surely this isn't news to a member of the
"more intelligent, but can't dance, GOP."?

Gould,

In disputing your position that the Bush Campaign is based upon lies, mud
and slander I can either say, "NO YOU ARE WRONG, it is Kerry's whose
campaign is based upon lies, mud and slander". Or I can show an independent
survey, that showed both parties are using negative campaigning as a way to
sway the middle 20%.

The survey that was done, did not a support either party, it was a very
legitimate attempt done by a college professor ( I think he was from
Stanford) to determine how much of the message by either candidates was
negative. It showed Kerry ahead by a slim margin.

You are guilty of using the same tactics that Rush and company are guilty
of. Repeat your message over and over again, hoping some of it will stick.
You say the majority of Republicans listen to Rush and Co.

How many registered Republicans are their in the US. How many of those
registered voters listen to Rush? How many of those who consider themselves
independents listen to the talk show? How many of those who consider
themselves liberal listen to the shows so they can say "... damn those dudes
are dumb". How large is the audience for right wing radio and TV shows?

Without any of this information to support your premise, you are guilty of
the exact same thing you accuse right wing talk shows of doing.

As far as your comment concerning more intelligent, it is consistently shown
that Republicans are better educated than the democrats, and that those with
more education read more and keep up with issues
My comment about dancing was a feeble attempt at humor.

You like to make statements and then think since you said it, it must be
true. In trying to prove you incorrect it is not fair to use information
provided by college professors to support my theory.

OK. I AM RIGHT AND YOUR ARE WRONG. The Kerry campaign is based upon lies,
mud and slander. The hate shown in the majority of Krause's posts (i.e. I
hope they bomb Crawford TX) is typical of those who vote for Kerry.

Is this better?





"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Ok, since the survey didn't agree with your theory, it must be wrong.
Since
I don't agree with you, I must be blind.

There is not much I can say.

Sure there is. Say you don't agree with me, and explain why.

Don't rely on a survey to do your thinking for you. If I wanted to debate
the
survey, I'd find out who put it together and communicate with them. Do you
speak for the survey group? If not, why would I bother to discuss it with
you?

For every survey "proving" one side of a political issue, there is an
equally
biased survey proving the other side. Surely this isn't news to a member
of the
"more intelligent, but can't dance, GOP."?

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Can you find one independent survey that proves Bush is more guilty of
slinging mud than Kerry?



I'm not inclined to look for one. Only those blind to the obvious,
contrasting,
tone of the campaigns would need a survey to begin with.

There may be a perfectly valid reason for the difference. Have you ever
watched an experienced teacher interacting with a kid with special needs?
She'll make a V with her fingers and point to her eyes to make sure the kid
is truly focused on the teacher's face. It works. The next step is simple:
Anyone who either plans to vote for Bush or is undecided has a clear need to
be brought to a more focused state. More to the point, they need to be taken
by the lapels and shaken severely. That's the goal of Kerry's ads.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
There may be a perfectly valid reason for the difference. Have you ever
watched an experienced teacher interacting with a kid with special needs?
She'll make a V with her fingers and point to her eyes to make sure the
kid
is truly focused on the teacher's face. It works. The next step is simple:
Anyone who either plans to vote for Bush or is undecided has a clear need
to
be brought to a more focused state. More to the point, they need to be
taken
by the lapels and shaken severely. That's the goal of Kerry's ads.

Doug,
I agree with your premise, and that is unfortunately why negative ads are
effective and are used by both parties.