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Nicholas Heyward wrote:
Gunner wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:09:36 GMT, pyotr filipivich wrote: I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Gunner wrote back on Mon, 13 Sep 2004 05:36:24 GMT in misc.survivalism : On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:56:11 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Communism was paranoid right wingnut delusion inflicted on the masses. No Communist axis of evil existed except in the minds of the neocons. Sure Comrade..sure. Tell that to the Ukrainians, and the East Germans, and the Poles...etc etc. Tell that to those who's bodys were tossed into mass graves in the Gulogs... Sure Comrade..sure. Tovarish, surely you must remember, The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was surrounded by hostile Communist Governments? Terrible thing Comrade. Spasebo Comrade...for the memory refreshment. It must have been the borscht. As for Petuh Vanka Heywierd...ëb tvoju mat. Learnt your history in Russia? That explains it. It's like watching war movies made in England where the UK saves the world every time. There's a Gunner website...its proprietor looks like he hasn't bathed in several months...a real scrunge. -- Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to! |
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:07:32 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Gunner wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:43:05 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Jeffrey McCann wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Dan wrote: "Gunner" wrote Please do. It will make identifying your lot so much easier when it comes time to bring out the rope. What a ****ing loser of a coward (or s that coward of a loser). You couldn't BE more pathetic, Runner. Dan Gunner and his ilk really would have been more happy with life if they had lived in Nazi Germany during WW II or Soviet Russia shortly afterwards, and had been minor functionaries in those police states. They'll be much more comfy when the neocons complete their conversion of the United States into a fascist state. They're cowardly assholes, hiding behind made up screen names, munged ISPs and guns. Bush people. Gunner is using his real name, and he ain't hiding, either. He's just a little slow in wising up to what's been happening, for some strange reason I can't fathom. He'll catch on eventually. Meanwhile, we'll just have to hold the fort without him. Jeff His mother named him Gunner? Thanks for today's laugh. Gunner Asch is indeed a Nym. However its quite easy to determine who I am, where I live, etc. Feel free. You may even decide to come visit. Mind the dogs, the mine fields and the home owner. And come nice. Else leave a will with someone you trust. Gunner Yawn. A real tough guy. Not. Of course not Harry..Im a well known harmless fuzzball. Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:50:00 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: Mine field? Hey there's someone out in your yard, you better go check it out. Nah..the friends know the path. Those not on that list..they can find em for themselves. Gunner, when your mom was busy naming you gunner, did she live in a compound? No. Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:06:03 GMT, "Jeffrey McCann"
wrote: "Nicholas Heyward" wrote in message ... Gunner wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:43:05 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Jeffrey McCann wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Dan wrote: "Gunner" wrote Please do. It will make identifying your lot so much easier when it comes time to bring out the rope. What a ****ing loser of a coward (or s that coward of a loser). You couldn't BE more pathetic, Runner. Dan Gunner and his ilk really would have been more happy with life if they had lived in Nazi Germany during WW II or Soviet Russia shortly afterwards, and had been minor functionaries in those police states. They'll be much more comfy when the neocons complete their conversion of the United States into a fascist state. They're cowardly assholes, hiding behind made up screen names, munged ISPs and guns. Bush people. Gunner is using his real name, and he ain't hiding, either. He's just a little slow in wising up to what's been happening, for some strange reason I can't fathom. He'll catch on eventually. Meanwhile, we'll just have to hold the fort without him. His mother named him Gunner? Thanks for today's laugh. Gunner Asch is indeed a Nym. My mistake. I stand corrected. I went to school with a kid named Gunnar, a common Scandinavian name. I assumed Gunner's nom de infobahn was an Americanized version of that first name. His point is well taken, however. He'd be easy enough to find. Taft ain't that big a place. In fact, its best described as merely a village (doubtless one where Gunner provides a common public function traditional in villages) Jeff Dog and cat catcher..or rescuer as it may be. Now you on the other hand should note that Taft is now looking for a village idiot. Send in your resume before Heywierd gets a H1-B visa and beats you to it. Harry is already village idiot for his burg. And doing a find job too. Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:40:30 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: During Viet Nam they said we couldn't just leave Viet Nam, the evil north Viet Namese would bring chaos and death to the south. The truth is they brought peace. Sure they did. First they killed or imprisioned most of the surviving Viet Cong, along with anyone who worked for the Americans. Then they purged themselves several times. Then they ****ed off the Chinese who had to kick their ass several times, as well as ****ing off a number of their neighbors who also kicked their ass. Then they started begging for US dollars by shipping home the remains of US military personell they claimed they didnt have. Now they have whored themselves for foriegn investment. Along with US dollars. Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
Gunner wrote:
Of course not Harry..Im a well known harmless fuzzball. You spellt scuzball wrong. Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:50:00 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Mine field? Hey there's someone out in your yard, you better go check it out. Nah..the friends know the path. Those not on that list..they can find em for themselves. Gunner, when your mom was busy naming you gunner, did she live in a compound? No. Did she have land mines? Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:06:03 GMT, "Jeffrey McCann" wrote: "Nicholas Heyward" wrote in message ... Gunner wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:43:05 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Jeffrey McCann wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Dan wrote: "Gunner" wrote Please do. It will make identifying your lot so much easier when it comes time to bring out the rope. What a ****ing loser of a coward (or s that coward of a loser). You couldn't BE more pathetic, Runner. Dan Gunner and his ilk really would have been more happy with life if they had lived in Nazi Germany during WW II or Soviet Russia shortly afterwards, and had been minor functionaries in those police states. They'll be much more comfy when the neocons complete their conversion of the United States into a fascist state. They're cowardly assholes, hiding behind made up screen names, munged ISPs and guns. Bush people. Gunner is using his real name, and he ain't hiding, either. He's just a little slow in wising up to what's been happening, for some strange reason I can't fathom. He'll catch on eventually. Meanwhile, we'll just have to hold the fort without him. His mother named him Gunner? Thanks for today's laugh. Gunner Asch is indeed a Nym. My mistake. I stand corrected. I went to school with a kid named Gunnar, a common Scandinavian name. I assumed Gunner's nom de infobahn was an Americanized version of that first name. His point is well taken, however. He'd be easy enough to find. Taft ain't that big a place. In fact, its best described as merely a village (doubtless one where Gunner provides a common public function traditional in villages) Jeff Dog and cat catcher..or rescuer as it may be. Now you on the other hand should note that Taft is now looking for a village idiot. Send in your resume before Heywierd gets a H1-B visa and beats you to it. That's funny. I used the username H1-B a couple weeks ago for a few days. No one knew what it meant. Harry is already village idiot for his burg. And doing a find job too. Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:40:30 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: During Viet Nam they said we couldn't just leave Viet Nam, the evil north Viet Namese would bring chaos and death to the south. The truth is they brought peace. Sure they did. First they killed or imprisioned most of the surviving Viet Cong, along with anyone who worked for the Americans. Then they purged themselves several times. Then they ****ed off the Chinese who had to kick their ass several times, as well as ****ing off a number of their neighbors who also kicked their ass. Then they started begging for US dollars by shipping home the remains of US military personell they claimed they didnt have. Now they have whored themselves for foriegn investment. Along with US dollars. Yep, peace without American aggression. Gunner |
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:07:03 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: Gunner wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:50:00 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Mine field? Hey there's someone out in your yard, you better go check it out. Nah..the friends know the path. Those not on that list..they can find em for themselves. Gunner, when your mom was busy naming you gunner, did she live in a compound? No. Did she have land mines? No. Does a Doctorate in Aeronautical Engineering count? Gunner Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:12:11 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: Gunner wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:40:30 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: During Viet Nam they said we couldn't just leave Viet Nam, the evil north Viet Namese would bring chaos and death to the south. The truth is they brought peace. Sure they did. First they killed or imprisioned most of the surviving Viet Cong, along with anyone who worked for the Americans. Then they purged themselves several times. Then they ****ed off the Chinese who had to kick their ass several times, as well as ****ing off a number of their neighbors who also kicked their ass. Then they started begging for US dollars by shipping home the remains of US military personell they claimed they didnt have. Now they have whored themselves for foriegn investment. Along with US dollars. Yep, peace without American aggression. Yup..peace of their own bloody minded ideology and the business end of an AK-47. The peace of tiger cages and mass graves in the jungle. The kind of peace you so evidently approve of. Orwell was writing about in and your ilk. Gunner Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:05:51 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: Gunner wrote: Of course not Harry..Im a well known harmless fuzzball. You spellt scuzball wrong. Odd..I thought scuzball was spelled "Heyward." Just checked with various group members. Yep..thats that way its spelled.."Heyward" Gunner Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
Gunner wrote:
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:07:03 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Gunner wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:50:00 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Mine field? Hey there's someone out in your yard, you better go check it out. Nah..the friends know the path. Those not on that list..they can find em for themselves. Gunner, when your mom was busy naming you gunner, did she live in a compound? No. Did she have land mines? No. Does a Doctorate in Aeronautical Engineering count? Intelligence gene skipped a generation? Tough break. Gunner Gunner |
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:33:34 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: Gunner wrote: On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:07:03 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Gunner wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:50:00 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Mine field? Hey there's someone out in your yard, you better go check it out. Nah..the friends know the path. Those not on that list..they can find em for themselves. Gunner, when your mom was busy naming you gunner, did she live in a compound? No. Did she have land mines? No. Does a Doctorate in Aeronautical Engineering count? Intelligence gene skipped a generation? Tough break. Yup..have you consulted a genetic specialist? It will be tough if your kid grows up smarter then his dad by several orders of magnitude. If that is possible, simply have the delivery doctor do a partial birth lobotomy on your kid, and the two of you will grow at the same mental age. Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:12:11 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Gunner wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:40:30 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: During Viet Nam they said we couldn't just leave Viet Nam, the evil north Viet Namese would bring chaos and death to the south. The truth is they brought peace. Sure they did. First they killed or imprisioned most of the surviving Viet Cong, along with anyone who worked for the Americans. Finishing off Tet. But, then, our Civil War was ever so delicate an affair. Then they ****ed off the Chinese who had to kick their ass several times, as well as ****ing off a number of their neighbors who also kicked their ass. Not much of a student of history, I guess. The Vietnamese and Chinese have been pretty much at war for centuries... That's why they laughed so hard when US newpapers portrayed them as Chinese puppets! Dan |
"Gunner" wrote It will be tough if your kid grows up smarter then his dad by several orders of magnitude. If that is possible, simply have the delivery doctor do a partial birth lobotomy on your kid, and the two of you will grow at the same mental age. Isn't he cute. And he'll be walking REAL SOON! Dan |
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:08:12 -0700, "Dan"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:12:11 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Gunner wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:40:30 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: During Viet Nam they said we couldn't just leave Viet Nam, the evil north Viet Namese would bring chaos and death to the south. The truth is they brought peace. Sure they did. First they killed or imprisioned most of the surviving Viet Cong, along with anyone who worked for the Americans. Finishing off Tet. Tet ended in 1968 as a horrific defeat for the Communists. But, then, our Civil War was ever so delicate an affair. Thread change? Then they ****ed off the Chinese who had to kick their ass several times, as well as ****ing off a number of their neighbors who also kicked their ass. Not much of a student of history, I guess. The Vietnamese and Chinese have been pretty much at war for centuries... Yes and? They have also been buddies. The two rounds that dinged me were manufactured in China, as were the grenades. That's why they laughed so hard when US newpapers portrayed them as Chinese puppets! Dan The Vietnamese and Chinese have had a love/hate relationship for many years. Still doesnt refute my statements, and you still look like an utter dickhead. As does Haywierd. And the Vietnamese and the Chinese are still Communists. Sat Cong! Gunner "In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann |
"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:08:12 -0700, "Dan" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:12:11 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Gunner wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:40:30 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: During Viet Nam they said we couldn't just leave Viet Nam, the evil north Viet Namese would bring chaos and death to the south. The truth is they brought peace. Sure they did. First they killed or imprisioned most of the surviving Viet Cong, along with anyone who worked for the Americans. Finishing off Tet. Tet ended in 1968 as a horrific defeat for the Communists. But, then, our Civil War was ever so delicate an affair. Thread change? Then they ****ed off the Chinese who had to kick their ass several times, as well as ****ing off a number of their neighbors who also kicked their ass. Not much of a student of history, I guess. The Vietnamese and Chinese have been pretty much at war for centuries... Yes and? They have also been buddies. The two rounds that dinged me were manufactured in China, as were the grenades. That's why they laughed so hard when US newpapers portrayed them as Chinese puppets! Dan The Vietnamese and Chinese have had a love/hate relationship for many years. Still doesnt refute my statements, and you still look like an utter dickhead. As does Haywierd. And the Vietnamese and the Chinese are still Communists. Sat Cong! Gunner Man I love it hen you put your "thoughts" to the keyboard. Every time, open your mouth and prove to all you are a fool. Dan |
"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:06:03 GMT, "Jeffrey McCann" wrote: "Nicholas Heyward" wrote in message ... Gunner wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:43:05 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Jeffrey McCann wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Dan wrote: "Gunner" wrote Please do. It will make identifying your lot so much easier when it comes time to bring out the rope. What a ****ing loser of a coward (or s that coward of a loser). You couldn't BE more pathetic, Runner. Dan Gunner and his ilk really would have been more happy with life if they had lived in Nazi Germany during WW II or Soviet Russia shortly afterwards, and had been minor functionaries in those police states. They'll be much more comfy when the neocons complete their conversion of the United States into a fascist state. They're cowardly assholes, hiding behind made up screen names, munged ISPs and guns. Bush people. Gunner is using his real name, and he ain't hiding, either. He's just a little slow in wising up to what's been happening, for some strange reason I can't fathom. He'll catch on eventually. Meanwhile, we'll just have to hold the fort without him. His mother named him Gunner? Thanks for today's laugh. Gunner Asch is indeed a Nym. My mistake. I stand corrected. I went to school with a kid named Gunnar, a common Scandinavian name. I assumed Gunner's nom de infobahn was an Americanized version of that first name. His point is well taken, however. He'd be easy enough to find. Taft ain't that big a place. In fact, its best described as merely a village (doubtless one where Gunner provides a common public function traditional in villages) Jeff Dog and cat catcher..or rescuer as it may be. Now you on the other hand should note that Taft is now looking for a village idiot. Send in your resume before Heywierd gets a H1-B visa and beats you to it. Actually, I was thinking you were the modern version of the village smithie, they guy who can fix anything. Your shop tools are quite impressive. Jeff |
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 02:34:56 GMT, "Jeffrey McCann"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:06:03 GMT, "Jeffrey McCann" wrote: "Nicholas Heyward" wrote in message ... Gunner wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:43:05 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Jeffrey McCann wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Dan wrote: "Gunner" wrote Please do. It will make identifying your lot so much easier when it comes time to bring out the rope. What a ****ing loser of a coward (or s that coward of a loser). You couldn't BE more pathetic, Runner. Dan Gunner and his ilk really would have been more happy with life if they had lived in Nazi Germany during WW II or Soviet Russia shortly afterwards, and had been minor functionaries in those police states. They'll be much more comfy when the neocons complete their conversion of the United States into a fascist state. They're cowardly assholes, hiding behind made up screen names, munged ISPs and guns. Bush people. Gunner is using his real name, and he ain't hiding, either. He's just a little slow in wising up to what's been happening, for some strange reason I can't fathom. He'll catch on eventually. Meanwhile, we'll just have to hold the fort without him. His mother named him Gunner? Thanks for today's laugh. Gunner Asch is indeed a Nym. My mistake. I stand corrected. I went to school with a kid named Gunnar, a common Scandinavian name. I assumed Gunner's nom de infobahn was an Americanized version of that first name. His point is well taken, however. He'd be easy enough to find. Taft ain't that big a place. In fact, its best described as merely a village (doubtless one where Gunner provides a common public function traditional in villages) Jeff Dog and cat catcher..or rescuer as it may be. Now you on the other hand should note that Taft is now looking for a village idiot. Send in your resume before Heywierd gets a H1-B visa and beats you to it. Actually, I was thinking you were the modern version of the village smithie, they guy who can fix anything. Your shop tools are quite impressive. Jeff I have a few small knacks in that regard. Jack of all trades, master of only a few. Shrug. Thank you. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:58:59 -0700, "Dan"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:08:12 -0700, "Dan" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:12:11 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Gunner wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:40:30 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: During Viet Nam they said we couldn't just leave Viet Nam, the evil north Viet Namese would bring chaos and death to the south. The truth is they brought peace. Sure they did. First they killed or imprisioned most of the surviving Viet Cong, along with anyone who worked for the Americans. Finishing off Tet. Tet ended in 1968 as a horrific defeat for the Communists. But, then, our Civil War was ever so delicate an affair. Thread change? Then they ****ed off the Chinese who had to kick their ass several times, as well as ****ing off a number of their neighbors who also kicked their ass. Not much of a student of history, I guess. The Vietnamese and Chinese have been pretty much at war for centuries... Yes and? They have also been buddies. The two rounds that dinged me were manufactured in China, as were the grenades. That's why they laughed so hard when US newpapers portrayed them as Chinese puppets! Dan The Vietnamese and Chinese have had a love/hate relationship for many years. Still doesnt refute my statements, and you still look like an utter dickhead. As does Haywierd. And the Vietnamese and the Chinese are still Communists. so not living in communes and having free market economies makes you a coummunist??? What an interesting thought process. THOM Sat Cong! Gunner Man I love it hen you put your "thoughts" to the keyboard. Every time, open your mouth and prove to all you are a fool. Dan |
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 09:04:38 GMT, Gunner
wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:02:02 GMT, (Thom) wrote: On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:58:59 -0700, "Dan" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:08:12 -0700, "Dan" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:12:11 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Gunner wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:40:30 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: During Viet Nam they said we couldn't just leave Viet Nam, the evil north Viet Namese would bring chaos and death to the south. The truth is they brought peace. Sure they did. First they killed or imprisioned most of the surviving Viet Cong, along with anyone who worked for the Americans. Finishing off Tet. Tet ended in 1968 as a horrific defeat for the Communists. But, then, our Civil War was ever so delicate an affair. Thread change? Then they ****ed off the Chinese who had to kick their ass several times, as well as ****ing off a number of their neighbors who also kicked their ass. Not much of a student of history, I guess. The Vietnamese and Chinese have been pretty much at war for centuries... Yes and? They have also been buddies. The two rounds that dinged me were manufactured in China, as were the grenades. That's why they laughed so hard when US newpapers portrayed them as Chinese puppets! Dan The Vietnamese and Chinese have had a love/hate relationship for many years. Still doesnt refute my statements, and you still look like an utter dickhead. As does Haywierd. And the Vietnamese and the Chinese are still Communists. so not living in communes and having free market economies makes you a coummunist??? What an interesting thought process. THOM Of course not. But then eating pussy doesn't make you a lesbian unless you are female. Thom old wank..do you somehow think that Communism simply dried up and died with Marx? Nope its still around, its call THE CHURCH. String central unelected leader and people living communally in things called convents and monistaries. Are you the same ****ing moron that made the claim that the Union of Soviet Socialists Republics was not Communist? Nope, but it was also Stalinist. Please read up and learn what that is. That Cuba is not a Communist Country? correct, Cuba doesn't have communes. It turned to the USSR for help when the right wingers in the USA supporting the Mafia and big business turned against a popular revolution. It is a socialist state but not a communist. There is a big difference. That North Vietnam was not Communist? correct. The North never really existed and is an artificial entity created by the UN as a tempory state untill elections were held. Same with the south. Nixon and Ike refused to hold free elections in March 1955 and Ho said I've had it and turned to whoever would aid him. He would have been a card carrying raindeer if Santa had supplied him with arms. He was first and foremost a Nationalists You have to understand that everyone that waved the red flag was a real commie. Look at Tito, he told Stalin to get bent how many times? That Uncle Ho was not Communist? see above Pragmatic uses of capitalist tools to earn hard currency doesnt make them Capitalists, when their core Dilectic remains Communist, any more than my shooting a 1891 Mosin Nagant makes me Communist. Hold on. Communism is an economic model. It basically says that people should work as a group for group good and the physical expression is places like a collective farm. But even those farms had to deal with money or some method of exchange. Pure communism is quite old and the first 2000 years of the Egyptian Empire was communist in that respect. People all had good homes (for the day), ate the same food and when the farms were not in use seasonally they wored on public works. Viet Nam has currency, people have jobs, many of the companies there are actually swet shops for western compabies like NIKE. There are 9 political parties and free market socialism is the norm now. The issue with the USSR is that something needed to be done to drag Russia etc out of the Tzarist stone age where 90% of the population was peasants and illiterate. Hence the 5 year plans and central planning. Stalin was a ******* of course but someone had to take the reins and make a decision as how to bring the country up to western standards. I disagree with the methods as any sane person would but it worked. It might have been a necessary evil, same with China. Since we can't re-run the experiment we will never know will we. You truely are an ignorant ****. Yah right. Have you even been to a communist or socialist country? Or do you just believe all the right wing BS? The truth lies somewhere in the middle between right wing BS and far left wing propaghanda. Even been to a real communist country called the Vatican? THOM Gunner Sat Cong! Gunner Man I love it hen you put your "thoughts" to the keyboard. Every time, open your mouth and prove to all you are a fool. Dan "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:20:28 GMT, Gunner
wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:18:41 GMT, (Thom) wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 09:04:38 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:02:02 GMT, (Thom) wrote: On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:58:59 -0700, "Dan" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message om... On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:08:12 -0700, "Dan" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:12:11 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Gunner wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:40:30 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: During Viet Nam they said we couldn't just leave Viet Nam, the evil north Viet Namese would bring chaos and death to the south. The truth is they brought peace. Sure they did. First they killed or imprisioned most of the surviving Viet Cong, along with anyone who worked for the Americans. Finishing off Tet. Tet ended in 1968 as a horrific defeat for the Communists. But, then, our Civil War was ever so delicate an affair. Thread change? Then they ****ed off the Chinese who had to kick their ass several times, as well as ****ing off a number of their neighbors who also kicked their ass. Not much of a student of history, I guess. The Vietnamese and Chinese have been pretty much at war for centuries... Yes and? They have also been buddies. The two rounds that dinged me were manufactured in China, as were the grenades. That's why they laughed so hard when US newpapers portrayed them as Chinese puppets! Dan The Vietnamese and Chinese have had a love/hate relationship for many years. Still doesnt refute my statements, and you still look like an utter dickhead. As does Haywierd. And the Vietnamese and the Chinese are still Communists. so not living in communes and having free market economies makes you a coummunist??? What an interesting thought process. THOM Of course not. But then eating pussy doesn't make you a lesbian unless you are female. Thom old wank..do you somehow think that Communism simply dried up and died with Marx? Nope its still around, its call THE CHURCH. String central unelected leader and people living communally in things called convents and monistaries. So Communalism, is the same as Communism? almost but in the case of the church its almost text book communism. 1. Strong central unelected leader 2. All activity and priorities dictated from above. 3. People moved around as needed against their will 4. everyone living together communally Sounds like the USSR to me? And lets not forget that the Church has been responsible for more wars and invasions that the USSR ever was. Odd..Im sure most Native American tribes will be really upset that the history books got it wrong. As will the ghosts of Comrade Marx and Lenin. I'm sure the only things the native americans will be concerned about is the 20 million of their number we killed and or enslaved in 200 years or so of invasion and westward expansion. If Marx and Lenin are proud of anyone its the people who did the killing at Wounded Knee, Sand Creek and the like. But of course if your going to bring up communalism/communism of the native americans then I thank you. Till whitie came along they were doing quite well. Are you the same ****ing moron that made the claim that the Union of Soviet Socialists Republics was not Communist? Nope, but it was also Stalinist. Please read up and learn what that is. Blink Blink...it was Communism run by Unca Yosef Stalin, who came to power in 1924, quite a few years after the death of Lenin, who took over the country in 1917. your dates are a hair off and its now believed that Stalin poisoned Lenin. That Cuba is not a Communist Country? correct, Cuba doesn't have communes. It turned to the USSR for help when the right wingers in the USA supporting the Mafia and big business turned against a popular revolution. It is a socialist state but not a communist. There is a big difference. Once again your grasp on geopolitical realpolitiks is so feeble to be embaressing. your failure to understand the difference between socialism and communism is embarrassing. That North Vietnam was not Communist? correct. The North never really existed and is an artificial entity created by the UN as a tempory state untill elections were held. Same with the south. Nixon and Ike refused to hold free elections in March 1955 and Ho said I've had it and turned to whoever would aid him. He would have been a card carrying raindeer if Santa had supplied him with arms. He was first and foremost a Nationalists And he became a Communist in France where he was schooled. While he was indeed a nationalist..he was also a firm beliver that Communism was the future. Then why didn't he turn the North into one big commune? Also theres a big bifference between the type of communism preached in the USSR and in France. Communism is much like christianity, many flavors of it. I don't look at labels, I look at actions. You have to understand that everyone that waved the red flag was a real commie. Look at Tito, he told Stalin to get bent how many times? Disagreements between Communists was quite common. God knows they purged each other at regular intervals. And of course the border wars between Red China and Russia were common and bloody. But that goes against what we were brainwashed with in the 50's in school. We were taught that theres one central head of communism and all communists take their orders from Moscow. We were taught that if the USSR goes away, all communism goes away and we must defeat Moscow. Tito proved that wrong and now of course the USSR is gone so if one persists in saying there's still commies under your bed the question must be asked... "were you lieing then or now?" That Uncle Ho was not Communist? see above I see your dreck above. Pragmatic uses of capitalist tools to earn hard currency doesnt make them Capitalists, when their core Dilectic remains Communist, any more than my shooting a 1891 Mosin Nagant makes me Communist. Hold on. Communism is an economic model. It basically says that people should work as a group for group good and the physical expression is places like a collective farm. But even those farms had to deal with money or some method of exchange. Pure communism is quite old and the first 2000 years of the Egyptian Empire was communist in that respect. People all had good homes (for the day), ate the same food and when the farms were not in use seasonally they wored on public works. You keep confusing Communalism with Communism. While they share some commonalities..they are not the same by any stretch of your twisted imagination. I imagine you also confuse Liberalism (neo) with Libertarianism. Correct? Not really, just labels. The ultra right wing party in Australia for instance calls themselves the LIBERAL PARTY. Even the name of their party is a lie. Protestants are now calling themselves Christians, right wingers are calling themselves liberals etc etc etc. Better to see what they do than say. Viet Nam has currency, people have jobs, many of the companies there are actually swet shops for western compabies like NIKE. There are 9 political parties and free market socialism is the norm now. The actual current name of Vietnam is "Cong Hoa Xa Hoi Chu Nghia Viet Nam " And can you tell me what the word "Cong" in the name means? same BS as the LIBERAL PARTY name. (hint..it means Communist) It wasnt until Party changes in its Politbureau liberalized trade that the country even thought about getting some relief from its decades long economic trip into the toilet. Really? Been there? I have. VN traded freely with the soviet bloc and its neighbors from day one. The Cambodian things caused problems of course but the same people trading along the borders during the war continued to do so after it. China was their big problem and the Viets didn't like the Chinese communists at all and the border was closed for years. The issue with the USSR is that something needed to be done to drag Russia etc out of the Tzarist stone age where 90% of the population was peasants and illiterate. Hence the 5 year plans and central planning. Stalin was a ******* of course but someone had to take the reins and make a decision as how to bring the country up to western standards. I disagree with the methods as any sane person would but it worked. It might have been a necessary evil, same with China. Since we can't re-run the experiment we will never know will we. It worked? Russia is up to Western Standards, after 80 yrs of Communist control? Really? In some ways yes but where would it be if someone had not toppled the Tzar? Russian military tecjnology actually exceeds ours. The SU-30 is the best operation fighter in the world, their "Black Eagle" tank is better than anything we have, their Kornet missile goes thru American tanks like butter without using DU, their space program didn't blow up like out shuttles seem to etc etc. The Japanese exceed us in some areas too. The Dutch make better cheese, the Japanese better cameras, the British make better things too. Every country has its good and bad points. You were there when again? Levis, rock and roll and McDonalds are not particularly good indicators of economic realities..and one should note..that the GUM stores didnt sell them until the Communist Party and its goverment imploded Oh good, so you've admitted VN isn't communist. You truely are an ignorant ****. Yah right. Have you even been to a communist or socialist country? Or do you just believe all the right wing BS? The truth lies somewhere in the middle between right wing BS and far left wing propaghanda. Actually, yes I have been to a number of Communist countries, including Vietnam, Russia, East Germany and Romania. And how many San Francisco or New York style street people did you have to step over to get into your hotel? Stalin and communism truely sucked but in many ways the people would rather be equally lower middle class then to have the mess we have in the USA with people living in packing boxes blocks from mansions. Even been to a real communist country called the Vatican? Nope. I at one time was a member of the church organization that is the core of the global religion called the Catholic Church, and its political entity called the Vatican. (also visted it once. While the architecture is impressive..the night life sucked) Fun is not allowed in the far right wing is it? Whats that sign in latin? "Please observe the NO SMILING signs, no smiling please" THOM THOM Been on walkabout and got a touch too much sun, old boy? Its winter down here, not much sun. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 23:47:51 GMT, (Thom)
wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:20:28 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:18:41 GMT, (Thom) wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 09:04:38 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:02:02 GMT, (Thom) wrote: On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:58:59 -0700, "Dan" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message news:p08lk0lp1gjajb7ukdo7du45muesceb8n6@4ax. com... On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:08:12 -0700, "Dan" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:12:11 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Gunner wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:40:30 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: During Viet Nam they said we couldn't just leave Viet Nam, the evil north Viet Namese would bring chaos and death to the south. The truth is they brought peace. Sure they did. First they killed or imprisioned most of the surviving Viet Cong, along with anyone who worked for the Americans. Finishing off Tet. Tet ended in 1968 as a horrific defeat for the Communists. But, then, our Civil War was ever so delicate an affair. Thread change? Then they ****ed off the Chinese who had to kick their ass several times, as well as ****ing off a number of their neighbors who also kicked their ass. Not much of a student of history, I guess. The Vietnamese and Chinese have been pretty much at war for centuries... Yes and? They have also been buddies. The two rounds that dinged me were manufactured in China, as were the grenades. That's why they laughed so hard when US newpapers portrayed them as Chinese puppets! Dan The Vietnamese and Chinese have had a love/hate relationship for many years. Still doesnt refute my statements, and you still look like an utter dickhead. As does Haywierd. And the Vietnamese and the Chinese are still Communists. so not living in communes and having free market economies makes you a coummunist??? What an interesting thought process. THOM Of course not. But then eating pussy doesn't make you a lesbian unless you are female. Thom old wank..do you somehow think that Communism simply dried up and died with Marx? Nope its still around, its call THE CHURCH. String central unelected leader and people living communally in things called convents and monistaries. So Communalism, is the same as Communism? almost but in the case of the church its almost text book communism. 1. Strong central unelected leader 2. All activity and priorities dictated from above. 3. People moved around as needed against their will 4. everyone living together communally Sounds like the USSR to me? And lets not forget that the Church has been responsible for more wars and invasions that the USSR ever was. Sorry. Communism is a political theory developed by Marx and Ingles, implimented by VI Lenin & Co. If it has 4 wheels, 2 doors, and a flat bed in back..dont make it a pickup truck. It could be quite a number of other sorts of trucks. One may pick gaping holes in your list. The Pope is Elected. So #1 is invalidated. #2. Your office is Communist? Flawed definition, invalidated #3. The Military or any school is Communist? Flawed definition, invalidated #4 A Girl Scout camp is Communist? Flawed, yada yada yada. Is this your first introduction to Logic 101 or have you simply been talking to the sheep on the next station for much too long? Odd..Im sure most Native American tribes will be really upset that the history books got it wrong. As will the ghosts of Comrade Marx and Lenin. I'm sure the only things the native americans will be concerned about is the 20 million of their number we killed and or enslaved in 200 years or so of invasion and westward expansion. If Marx and Lenin are proud of anyone its the people who did the killing at Wounded Knee, Sand Creek and the like. Hint bubba..Im Native American. As are many here on misc.survivalism. Think hard before you start babbling any further and wind up looking the bigger fool. Now..about the Aboriginals..... But of course if your going to bring up communalism/communism of the native americans then I thank you. Till whitie came along they were doing quite well. Some were Communalists, some tribes were members of actually democratic type federations. The US got its first forms of government from the 7 Nations. Hint..Marx and Lenin were not born yet. Are you the same ****ing moron that made the claim that the Union of Soviet Socialists Republics was not Communist? Nope, but it was also Stalinist. Please read up and learn what that is. Blink Blink...it was Communism run by Unca Yosef Stalin, who came to power in 1924, quite a few years after the death of Lenin, who took over the country in 1917. your dates are a hair off and its now believed that Stalin poisoned Lenin. No..the dates are correct. And it wouldnt be surprised if Stalin purged Lenin..Stalin purged about 100 million people, give or take 20 million here and there. A communalist, he was not. That Cuba is not a Communist Country? correct, Cuba doesn't have communes. It turned to the USSR for help when the right wingers in the USA supporting the Mafia and big business turned against a popular revolution. It is a socialist state but not a communist. There is a big difference. Once again your grasp on geopolitical realpolitiks is so feeble to be embaressing. your failure to understand the difference between socialism and communism is embarrassing. Such as? As Lenin put it..Socialism is the first step of Communism. Tis nothing more than Communism Lite. Not Communalism. Didnt got to school huh? That North Vietnam was not Communist? correct. The North never really existed and is an artificial entity created by the UN as a tempory state untill elections were held. Same with the south. Nixon and Ike refused to hold free elections in March 1955 and Ho said I've had it and turned to whoever would aid him. He would have been a card carrying raindeer if Santa had supplied him with arms. He was first and foremost a Nationalists And he became a Communist in France where he was schooled. While he was indeed a nationalist..he was also a firm beliver that Communism was the future. Then why didn't he turn the North into one big commune? Also theres a big bifference between the type of communism preached in the USSR and in France. Communism is much like christianity, many flavors of it. I don't look at labels, I look at actions. You damned well better look at the Labels..cause thats what you are arguing over. And Communism doesnt require all people living on Communes. Gods blood boy, have you never read Marx, Ingles and Lenins works? Geeeeszzzzus. You have to understand that everyone that waved the red flag was a real commie. Look at Tito, he told Stalin to get bent how many times? Disagreements between Communists was quite common. God knows they purged each other at regular intervals. And of course the border wars between Red China and Russia were common and bloody. But that goes against what we were brainwashed with in the 50's in school. We were taught that theres one central head of communism and all communists take their orders from Moscow. We were taught that if the USSR goes away, all communism goes away and we must defeat Moscow. And? In the 50s it was damned close to fact. International Marxism was promoted and funded from Moscow. Including the Chicom version. Tito proved that wrong and now of course the USSR is gone so if one persists in saying there's still commies under your bed the question must be asked... "were you lieing then or now?" That Uncle Ho was not Communist? see above I see your dreck above. Pragmatic uses of capitalist tools to earn hard currency doesnt make them Capitalists, when their core Dilectic remains Communist, any more than my shooting a 1891 Mosin Nagant makes me Communist. Hold on. Communism is an economic model. It basically says that people should work as a group for group good and the physical expression is places like a collective farm. But even those farms had to deal with money or some method of exchange. Pure communism is quite old and the first 2000 years of the Egyptian Empire was communist in that respect. People all had good homes (for the day), ate the same food and when the farms were not in use seasonally they wored on public works. You keep confusing Communalism with Communism. While they share some commonalities..they are not the same by any stretch of your twisted imagination. I imagine you also confuse Liberalism (neo) with Libertarianism. Correct? Not really, just labels. The ultra right wing party in Australia for instance calls themselves the LIBERAL PARTY. Even the name of their party is a lie. Protestants are now calling themselves Christians, right wingers are calling themselves liberals etc etc etc. Better to see what they do than say. So if you believe this..why do you consistantly keep arguing about the labels..and putting the wrong labels on the wrong groups? Viet Nam has currency, people have jobs, many of the companies there are actually swet shops for western compabies like NIKE. There are 9 political parties and free market socialism is the norm now. The actual current name of Vietnam is "Cong Hoa Xa Hoi Chu Nghia Viet Nam " And can you tell me what the word "Cong" in the name means? same BS as the LIBERAL PARTY name. Really? Is that Classical Liberalism, Neo Liberalism, or New Liberalism? (hint..it means Communist) I notice you failed even the simplist test at this point...snicker. It wasnt until Party changes in its Politbureau liberalized trade that the country even thought about getting some relief from its decades long economic trip into the toilet. Really? Been there? I have. VN traded freely with the soviet bloc and its neighbors from day one. The Cambodian things caused problems of course but the same people trading along the borders during the war continued to do so after it. China was their big problem and the Viets didn't like the Chinese communists at all and the border was closed for years. Chuckle..yes child..Ive been there. Lived there for years actually. The Cambodian Things..now thats a nice euphimistic way of avoiding the mass murder and the killing fields. The Vietnames got a lot of their materials from Red China. And the USSR. They were all Marxists. They often differed about how they were going to impliment Marxism..and they often stepped on each others toes and ****ed each other off. I killed more than one Red Chinese officer in charge of groups of Vietnamese regular troops. The issue with the USSR is that something needed to be done to drag Russia etc out of the Tzarist stone age where 90% of the population was peasants and illiterate. Hence the 5 year plans and central planning. Stalin was a ******* of course but someone had to take the reins and make a decision as how to bring the country up to western standards. I disagree with the methods as any sane person would but it worked. It might have been a necessary evil, same with China. Since we can't re-run the experiment we will never know will we. It worked? Russia is up to Western Standards, after 80 yrs of Communist control? Really? In some ways yes but where would it be if someone had not toppled the Tzar? Russian military tecjnology actually exceeds ours. The SU-30 is the best operation fighter in the world, their "Black Eagle" tank is better than anything we have, their Kornet missile goes thru American tanks like butter without using DU, their space program didn't blow up like out shuttles seem to etc etc. The Japanese exceed us in some areas too. The Dutch make better cheese, the Japanese better cameras, the British make better things too. Every country has its good and bad points. Yes and? I notice the qualifier you put in place.."in someways yes" then started rambling about the Tzar. So you are admitting that your statement was not only bogus, but over simplified? You were there when again? Levis, rock and roll and McDonalds are not particularly good indicators of economic realities..and one should note..that the GUM stores didnt sell them until the Communist Party and its goverment imploded Oh good, so you've admitted VN isn't communist. Of course not. Pragmatic implimentation of some capitalist functions to gain capital and join the 21st century is not counter to the Dialectic. Even Red China was doing it in the 50s. Right in the middle of Maos purges. You truely are an ignorant ****. Yah right. Have you even been to a communist or socialist country? Or do you just believe all the right wing BS? The truth lies somewhere in the middle between right wing BS and far left wing propaghanda. Actually, yes I have been to a number of Communist countries, including Vietnam, Russia, East Germany and Romania. And how many San Francisco or New York style street people did you have to step over to get into your hotel? Stalin and communism truely sucked but in many ways the people would rather be equally lower middle class then to have the mess we have in the USA with people living in packing boxes blocks from mansions. None. The Communists tended to take the poor and put them in work camps, Siberia etc. They managed to feed the majority of their people at a subsistance level. Except those that they murdered by intentional starvation (Ukraine). Ive lived with Russians in their own homes. Few starved after the 50s, but no one (except Party members and their proteges) could ever rise above a basic subsistance level. Which mess in the US? Anyone living in boxes are there because they choose to do so. There are more than enough programs and funds available for those truely needy that they dont have to live there. Those living on the street are the insane, the addicted, or criminals. And they are there by their own choice. Even been to a real communist country called the Vatican? Nope. I at one time was a member of the church organization that is the core of the global religion called the Catholic Church, and its political entity called the Vatican. (also visted it once. While the architecture is impressive..the night life sucked) Fun is not allowed in the far right wing is it? Whats that sign in latin? "Please observe the NO SMILING signs, no smiling please" Were you molested by a priest or something? You are mighty bitter about the RC. Interesting. No matter, Im Buddhist. THOM THOM Been on walkabout and got a touch too much sun, old boy? Its winter down here, not much sun. Ah..so thats the reason you are such an ass. Becareful..you dont want to wind up like the Finns..highest suicide rate in the West. Must be that lack of sun that ****s up their brains. Might explain your issues. Gunner Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
"Thom" wrote in message ... On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:20:28 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 02:18:41 GMT, (Thom) wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 09:04:38 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:02:02 GMT, (Thom) wrote: On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:58:59 -0700, "Dan" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message om... On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:08:12 -0700, "Dan" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:12:11 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Gunner wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:40:30 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: During Viet Nam they said we couldn't just leave Viet Nam, the evil north Viet Namese would bring chaos and death to the south. The truth is they brought peace. Sure they did. First they killed or imprisioned most of the surviving Viet Cong, along with anyone who worked for the Americans. Finishing off Tet. Tet ended in 1968 as a horrific defeat for the Communists. But, then, our Civil War was ever so delicate an affair. Thread change? Then they ****ed off the Chinese who had to kick their ass several times, as well as ****ing off a number of their neighbors who also kicked their ass. Not much of a student of history, I guess. The Vietnamese and Chinese have been pretty much at war for centuries... Yes and? They have also been buddies. The two rounds that dinged me were manufactured in China, as were the grenades. That's why they laughed so hard when US newpapers portrayed them as Chinese puppets! Dan The Vietnamese and Chinese have had a love/hate relationship for many years. Still doesnt refute my statements, and you still look like an utter dickhead. As does Haywierd. And the Vietnamese and the Chinese are still Communists. so not living in communes and having free market economies makes you a coummunist??? What an interesting thought process. THOM Of course not. But then eating pussy doesn't make you a lesbian unless you are female. Thom old wank..do you somehow think that Communism simply dried up and died with Marx? Nope its still around, its call THE CHURCH. String central unelected leader and people living communally in things called convents and monistaries. So Communalism, is the same as Communism? almost but in the case of the church its almost text book communism. 1. Strong central unelected leader 2. All activity and priorities dictated from above. 3. People moved around as needed against their will 4. everyone living together communally Sounds like the USSR to me? And lets not forget that the Church has been responsible for more wars and invasions that the USSR ever was. Odd..Im sure most Native American tribes will be really upset that the history books got it wrong. As will the ghosts of Comrade Marx and Lenin. I'm sure the only things the native americans will be concerned about is the 20 million of their number we killed and or enslaved in 200 years or so of invasion and westward expansion. If Marx and Lenin are proud of anyone its the people who did the killing at Wounded Knee, Sand Creek and the like. But of course if your going to bring up communalism/communism of the native americans then I thank you. Till whitie came along they were doing quite well. Are you the same ****ing moron that made the claim that the Union of Soviet Socialists Republics was not Communist? Nope, but it was also Stalinist. Please read up and learn what that is. Blink Blink...it was Communism run by Unca Yosef Stalin, who came to power in 1924, quite a few years after the death of Lenin, who took over the country in 1917. your dates are a hair off and its now believed that Stalin poisoned Lenin. That Cuba is not a Communist Country? correct, Cuba doesn't have communes. It turned to the USSR for help when the right wingers in the USA supporting the Mafia and big business turned against a popular revolution. It is a socialist state but not a communist. There is a big difference. Once again your grasp on geopolitical realpolitiks is so feeble to be embaressing. your failure to understand the difference between socialism and communism is embarrassing. That North Vietnam was not Communist? correct. The North never really existed and is an artificial entity created by the UN as a tempory state untill elections were held. Same with the south. Nixon and Ike refused to hold free elections in March 1955 and Ho said I've had it and turned to whoever would aid him. He would have been a card carrying raindeer if Santa had supplied him with arms. He was first and foremost a Nationalists And he became a Communist in France where he was schooled. While he was indeed a nationalist..he was also a firm beliver that Communism was the future. Then why didn't he turn the North into one big commune? Also theres a big bifference between the type of communism preached in the USSR and in France. Communism is much like christianity, many flavors of it. I don't look at labels, I look at actions. You have to understand that everyone that waved the red flag was a real commie. Look at Tito, he told Stalin to get bent how many times? Disagreements between Communists was quite common. God knows they purged each other at regular intervals. And of course the border wars between Red China and Russia were common and bloody. But that goes against what we were brainwashed with in the 50's in school. We were taught that theres one central head of communism and all communists take their orders from Moscow. We were taught that if the USSR goes away, all communism goes away and we must defeat Moscow. Tito proved that wrong and now of course the USSR is gone so if one persists in saying there's still commies under your bed the question must be asked... "were you lieing then or now?" That Uncle Ho was not Communist? see above I see your dreck above. Pragmatic uses of capitalist tools to earn hard currency doesnt make them Capitalists, when their core Dilectic remains Communist, any more than my shooting a 1891 Mosin Nagant makes me Communist. Hold on. Communism is an economic model. It basically says that people should work as a group for group good and the physical expression is places like a collective farm. But even those farms had to deal with money or some method of exchange. Pure communism is quite old and the first 2000 years of the Egyptian Empire was communist in that respect. People all had good homes (for the day), ate the same food and when the farms were not in use seasonally they wored on public works. You keep confusing Communalism with Communism. While they share some commonalities..they are not the same by any stretch of your twisted imagination. I imagine you also confuse Liberalism (neo) with Libertarianism. Correct? Not really, just labels. The ultra right wing party in Australia for instance calls themselves the LIBERAL PARTY. Even the name of their party is a lie. Protestants are now calling themselves Christians, right wingers are calling themselves liberals etc etc etc. Better to see what they do than say. Viet Nam has currency, people have jobs, many of the companies there are actually swet shops for western compabies like NIKE. There are 9 political parties and free market socialism is the norm now. The actual current name of Vietnam is "Cong Hoa Xa Hoi Chu Nghia Viet Nam " And can you tell me what the word "Cong" in the name means? same BS as the LIBERAL PARTY name. (hint..it means Communist) It wasnt until Party changes in its Politbureau liberalized trade that the country even thought about getting some relief from its decades long economic trip into the toilet. Really? Been there? I have. VN traded freely with the soviet bloc and its neighbors from day one. The Cambodian things caused problems of course but the same people trading along the borders during the war continued to do so after it. China was their big problem and the Viets didn't like the Chinese communists at all and the border was closed for years. The issue with the USSR is that something needed to be done to drag Russia etc out of the Tzarist stone age where 90% of the population was peasants and illiterate. Hence the 5 year plans and central planning. Stalin was a ******* of course but someone had to take the reins and make a decision as how to bring the country up to western standards. I disagree with the methods as any sane person would but it worked. It might have been a necessary evil, same with China. Since we can't re-run the experiment we will never know will we. It worked? Russia is up to Western Standards, after 80 yrs of Communist control? Really? In some ways yes but where would it be if someone had not toppled the Tzar? Russian military tecjnology actually exceeds ours. The SU-30 is the best operation fighter in the world, You're comparing a twelve year-old Russian plane to 30+ year old American F-15's. The F-22 is far superior to the SU-30. their "Black Eagle" tank is better than anything we have Why? Because it has a bigger gun? It needed that bigger gun because the old T-72 125mm rounds were bouncing off our Abrams at 400 yards in Operation Desert Storm. Our M1A2's have better fire control, better crew survivability, and an IVIS system that allows each tank to effectively "see" what the other M1A2 tanks are seeing. their Kornet missile goes thru American tanks like butter without using DU, Only on a rear attack...and only before the military upgraded the rear-defense armor. But not anymore. Anyhow, the tanks that were hit by the Kornet were disabled, but not destroyed. The crews survived. ;-) |
I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Gunner
wrote back on Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:31:40 GMT in misc.survivalism : That's why they laughed so hard when US newpapers portrayed them as Chinese puppets! The Vietnamese and Chinese have had a love/hate relationship for many years. Still doesnt refute my statements, and you still look like an utter dickhead. As does Haywierd. And the Vietnamese and the Chinese are still Communists. My observation of events in that area in the late 1970s was that having eliminated the running dog capitalists, it was time for the Fraternal Socialists Brothers to get back to what has always been important: tribal warfare. With the Viet trying to bring Civilization to the Khymer, and the Chinese once again attempting to bring the benefits of the Mandate of Heaven to their wayward 'little brothers'. Never underestimate the ability for tribalism to express itself in_any_ perfect system. Sat Cong! What he said. Gunner p.s. just heard a variation on your observation about opinions. "Their like armpits: everybody has a couple and they both stink!" -- pyotr filipivich Next Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them. Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them, Selecting a new Them |
I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Gunner
wrote back on Sun, 19 Sep 2004 09:04:38 GMT in misc.survivalism : Pragmatic uses of capitalist tools to earn hard currency doesnt make them Capitalists, when their core Dilectic remains Communist, any more than my shooting a 1891 Mosin Nagant makes me Communist. Of course not. Using a 1891 Mosin Nagant would make you a Tsarist Imperialist. :-) It is using a 1938 Mosin Nagant which makes you a communist. (or a 1930 or 1944 model). pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Denial is not a river in Egypt, "Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level. LtCol Grossman. |
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:41:47 GMT, pyotr filipivich
wrote: Of course not. Using a 1891 Mosin Nagant would make you a Tsarist Imperialist. :-) It is using a 1938 Mosin Nagant which makes you a communist. (or a 1930 or 1944 model). Or, would you have to multiply the result by .5? One of the designers is innocent of all charges. -- I/O |
NOYB wrote:
"Thom" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:53:33 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: I would be more inclinded to believe that if the crews and missiles were Syrian it was to test the missiles' abilities against the best we have and or to give Bush a message as to what happens to the M-1 if he does cross the border. The Syrians also have superior Sukhoi aircaft but I doubt very seriously if they have the pilot skills to press the weapon system to best advantage though like the Indonesians (now with the SU-30) they may have been trained in Russia. Then why didn't the Syrians use those "superior" SU-30's to go after the American-made F-16's that buzzed Assad's palace? Afterall, you claim that the Syrians have all of this superior weaponry, and the Israelis are using decades old American-made stuff. Perhaps the Syrians don't want to tip their hand...the US isn't all that capable in the world of intel... -- We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah. What, me worry? |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Thom" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:53:33 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: I would be more inclinded to believe that if the crews and missiles were Syrian it was to test the missiles' abilities against the best we have and or to give Bush a message as to what happens to the M-1 if he does cross the border. The Syrians also have superior Sukhoi aircaft but I doubt very seriously if they have the pilot skills to press the weapon system to best advantage though like the Indonesians (now with the SU-30) they may have been trained in Russia. Then why didn't the Syrians use those "superior" SU-30's to go after the American-made F-16's that buzzed Assad's palace? Afterall, you claim that the Syrians have all of this superior weaponry, and the Israelis are using decades old American-made stuff. Perhaps the Syrians don't want to tip their hand...the US isn't all that capable in the world of intel... Bzzzzzt. The correct answer: Israeli would have wiped 'em off the map in a few days. Syria has 30 SU-30's. |
NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Thom" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:53:33 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: I would be more inclinded to believe that if the crews and missiles were Syrian it was to test the missiles' abilities against the best we have and or to give Bush a message as to what happens to the M-1 if he does cross the border. The Syrians also have superior Sukhoi aircaft but I doubt very seriously if they have the pilot skills to press the weapon system to best advantage though like the Indonesians (now with the SU-30) they may have been trained in Russia. Then why didn't the Syrians use those "superior" SU-30's to go after the American-made F-16's that buzzed Assad's palace? Afterall, you claim that the Syrians have all of this superior weaponry, and the Israelis are using decades old American-made stuff. Perhaps the Syrians don't want to tip their hand...the US isn't all that capable in the world of intel... Bzzzzzt. The correct answer: Israeli would have wiped 'em off the map in a few days. Syria has 30 SU-30's. Now you think you understand the IDF? Puh-lease. -- We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah. What, me worry? |
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:41:47 GMT, pyotr filipivich
wrote: I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Gunner wrote back on Sun, 19 Sep 2004 09:04:38 GMT in misc.survivalism : Pragmatic uses of capitalist tools to earn hard currency doesnt make them Capitalists, when their core Dilectic remains Communist, any more than my shooting a 1891 Mosin Nagant makes me Communist. Of course not. Using a 1891 Mosin Nagant would make you a Tsarist Imperialist. :-) It is using a 1938 Mosin Nagant which makes you a communist. (or a 1930 or 1944 model). Why would you want to shoot Mosin Nagant? Later, Tom ----------- "Angling may be said to be so like the mathematics that it can never be fully learnt..." Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653 |
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:58:38 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Thom" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:53:33 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: I would be more inclinded to believe that if the crews and missiles were Syrian it was to test the missiles' abilities against the best we have and or to give Bush a message as to what happens to the M-1 if he does cross the border. The Syrians also have superior Sukhoi aircaft but I doubt very seriously if they have the pilot skills to press the weapon system to best advantage though like the Indonesians (now with the SU-30) they may have been trained in Russia. Then why didn't the Syrians use those "superior" SU-30's to go after the American-made F-16's that buzzed Assad's palace? Afterall, you claim that the Syrians have all of this superior weaponry, and the Israelis are using decades old American-made stuff. Perhaps the Syrians don't want to tip their hand...the US isn't all that capable in the world of intel... Bzzzzzt. The correct answer: Israeli would have wiped 'em off the map in a few days. Syria has 30 SU-30's. That sounds about right but it also has a lot of Mig-25's which we haven't been able to shoot down. Again, the issue of the airborne command posts comes in. Again, we could probably win but at what cost? THOM |
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:58:59 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Thom" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:53:33 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: I would be more inclinded to believe that if the crews and missiles were Syrian it was to test the missiles' abilities against the best we have and or to give Bush a message as to what happens to the M-1 if he does cross the border. The Syrians also have superior Sukhoi aircaft but I doubt very seriously if they have the pilot skills to press the weapon system to best advantage though like the Indonesians (now with the SU-30) they may have been trained in Russia. Then why didn't the Syrians use those "superior" SU-30's to go after the American-made F-16's that buzzed Assad's palace? Afterall, you claim that the Syrians have all of this superior weaponry, and the Israelis are using decades old American-made stuff. Perhaps the Syrians don't want to tip their hand...the US isn't all that capable in the world of intel... Bzzzzzt. The correct answer: Israeli would have wiped 'em off the map in a few days. Syria has 30 SU-30's. Now you think you understand the IDF? the IAF really needs to get new and better stuff. The best it has is some newer F-151 THUNDERs. The F-151 is still older than the newest Russian stuff though. THOM Puh-lease. -- We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah. What, me worry? |
I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Q
wrote back on Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:05:00 -0500 in misc.survivalism : On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:41:47 GMT, pyotr filipivich wrote: Of course not. Using a 1891 Mosin Nagant would make you a Tsarist Imperialist. :-) It is using a 1938 Mosin Nagant which makes you a communist. (or a 1930 or 1944 model). Or, would you have to multiply the result by .5? One of the designers is innocent of all charges. Hrmmm This leads into one of those odd conundrums which keeps me up afternoons. When it comes time to shoot the neo-Nazis, should you use one of the battle rifles of the Allies which defeated the Hitlerite Fascists threat the first time (the Enfield, the M-1, or the Mosin Nagant 38/44? ) or can you use one of the battle rifles of the Third Reich, such as the Mauser 38, or the various "MaschinePistolen"? Or do you go for the complete Irony, and wax them with an Uzi or Galial (the products of the Israelis Arm industry?) -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone." |
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 05:50:03 GMT, pyotr filipivich
wrote: Hrmmm This leads into one of those odd conundrums which keeps me up afternoons. When it comes time to shoot the neo-Nazis, should you use one of the battle rifles of the Allies which defeated the Hitlerite Fascists threat the first time (the Enfield, the M-1, or the Mosin Nagant 38/44? ) or can you use one of the battle rifles of the Third Reich, such as the Mauser 38, or the various "MaschinePistolen"? Or do you go for the complete Irony, and wax them with an Uzi or Galial (the products of the Israelis Arm industry?) Use the one designed by the Canadian, say I. To Pyotr: Thank You To some others: Thank you for the fish -- as to the sourness, next time. -- I/O |
"Thom" wrote in message ... Then why didn't the Syrians use those "superior" SU-30's to go after the American-made F-16's that buzzed Assad's palace? Afterall, you claim that the Syrians have all of this superior weaponry, and the Israelis are using decades old American-made stuff. no I didn't claim that. They have some SU-30's and are out numbered. if I was the Syrian AF/CO I'ed use the 30's and their MiG-25's (and remember we have never been able to shoot down a MiG-25, even Saddams) Not true. Two MiG-25's were shot down by F-15's during the Persian Gulf War. A third MiG-25 was shot down on 12/25/92 by an USAF F-15. On 3/13/81, 7/29/81, and 8/31/82, the IAF (flying US-Made F-15's) shot down 3 MiG-25 Foxbats How many F-15's have been defeated in combat? ;-) |
"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Gunner wrote back on Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:31:40 GMT in misc.survivalism : That's why they laughed so hard when US newpapers portrayed them as Chinese puppets! The Vietnamese and Chinese have had a love/hate relationship for many years. Still doesnt refute my statements, and you still look like an utter dickhead. As does Haywierd. And the Vietnamese and the Chinese are still Communists. My observation of events in that area in the late 1970s was that having eliminated the running dog capitalists, it was time for the Fraternal Socialists Brothers to get back to what has always been important: tribal warfare. With the Viet trying to bring Civilization to the Khymer, and the Chinese once again attempting to bring the benefits of the Mandate of Heaven to their wayward 'little brothers'. Never underestimate the ability for tribalism to express itself in_any_ perfect system. Sat Cong! What he said. Gunner p.s. just heard a variation on your observation about opinions. "Their like armpits: everybody has a couple and they both stink!" -- pyotr filipivich Next Week's Panel: Us & Them - Eliminating Them. Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them, Selecting a new Them |
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