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thunder wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:50:54 +0000, Calif Bill wrote: Bush is probably going to be re-elected because the Democrats have put up an incompetent candidate. Sort of like the Republicans on 1996. 250 million people. Bush *and* Kerry are the best we can do? Scary thought. According to John Herring, Bush had seven minutes of thought on 9-11. I don't want to call Herring a liar, but there's no proof Bush was lost in thought. More likely, he was just lost. -- Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to! |
Julian D. wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:17:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: thunder wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:50:54 +0000, Calif Bill wrote: Bush is probably going to be re-elected because the Democrats have put up an incompetent candidate. Sort of like the Republicans on 1996. 250 million people. Bush *and* Kerry are the best we can do? Scary thought. According to John Herring, Bush had seven minutes of thought on 9-11. I don't want to call Herring a liar, but there's no proof Bush was lost in thought. More likely, he was just lost. What about Kerry's admitted 40 minutes of 'just sitting there, not knowing what to do or think' (sic)? Hmmm...that'll be 33 more minutes of doing 'nothing' than Bush did if the nation needs Kerry during an attack. Kerry wasn't POTUS at the time. One expects one's POTUS to NOT sit like a bump on a log at a time of national crisis. Bush is an intellectual cipher. He's proved it for years. Perhaps a stunatz is what America deserves, eh? -- Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to! |
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:17:02 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: thunder wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:50:54 +0000, Calif Bill wrote: Bush is probably going to be re-elected because the Democrats have put up an incompetent candidate. Sort of like the Republicans on 1996. 250 million people. Bush *and* Kerry are the best we can do? Scary thought. According to John Herring, Bush had seven minutes of thought on 9-11. I don't want to call Herring a liar, but there's no proof Bush was lost in thought. More likely, he was just lost. According to John Herring, Bush had seven minutes of thought on 9-11. I don't want to call Herring a liar, but there's no proof Bush was lost in thought. More likely, he was just lost. -- Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! Not dead, in jail, or a slave, thank yourself--don't thank the GOP or a Democrat (left of to them Civil Rights of 64 would have failed) http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21NVDavisGore599.html And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to! |
JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:17:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: thunder wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:50:54 +0000, Calif Bill wrote: Bush is probably going to be re-elected because the Democrats have put up an incompetent candidate. Sort of like the Republicans on 1996. 250 million people. Bush *and* Kerry are the best we can do? Scary thought. According to John Herring, Bush had seven minutes of thought on 9-11. I don't want to call Herring a liar, but there's no proof Bush was lost in thought. More likely, he was just lost. Thanks Harry. It's bad enough that one of us is continuously caught in lies. John H No substitute jobs? Did Fairfax County finally get around to checking you out? -- Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to! |
Calif Bill wrote:
"Julian D." wrote in message ... Bush is going to be rewarded by re-election for being a great President and protecting this country. THOM Bush is probably going to be re-elected because the Democrats have put up an incompetent candidate. Sort of like the Republicans on 1996. A stick of butter could get more votes than Bush. If Kerry acts like a moron too, we'll give him the boot in 2008. Election 2000, we will never forget. |
Steve Canyon wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:40:51 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Julian D. wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:35:11 GMT, (Thom) wrote: On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:28:02 -0600, "Four Moron MONTHS!" _ wrote: E.E.Bud Keith wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Gunner wrote: On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:07:05 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: If you consider mayhem and assault, vandalism and violence to be proper expressions of Dissent, then pray to whatever you hold holy that the Right never takes your lead. We are the ones heavily armed, military trained in killing people and breaking things. You will pray for rocks if the Right ever uses your style of dissent. Gunner Yeah, the "right" sticks to blowing up federal office buildings, abortion clinics, and invading the wrong countries...for now. Cites? Or are you going to give me some cites about individuals? Virtually all the terrorist attacks of significance in recent years have been the work of conservative, right-wing assholes and the groups to which they belong...Osama, McVeigh, Cheney, et al. Want me to post some cites about individuals on the Left? I can you know...quite a number. I don't give a crap what you post, dickwiper. You're now in my bozo bin, along with the other mental defectives. Writing under another name again Brian, Posts by you under any name are so easy to recognize. Written by and egomaniac who thinks that only he has the right answer to every problem, And if someone dares to disagree with him, he unleashes a torrent of vile hate and abusive langauge. Come to think of it you remind me very much of the little corporal who so loved to hate everybody in the world And like your communist idols those that disagreed with him were eliminated. For now you can only attempt to smear those you dislike with hate. But should people like you ever can any real power the world is in for the biggest blood bath in history. Gunner, eh? Did your mama name you after the dog? -- Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to! Yes, anyone NOT being a ****ing right wing moron like "Bud" just has to be a communist.. seeing things in balck and white does indicate a revulsion of critical thinking. What the right wing Fuhrur worshipors don't seemed to real;ize is that it is the duty of all citizens to watch their elected representitives like a hawk no matter what party they are in including their own. When Kerry gets sworn in in January its time to put the microscope on him too, This news group will revert back to its original subject, the Bush crime family, with a new touch on how to arrest and convict Bush for his 4 years of crime and corruption. Bush is going to be rewarded by re-election for being a great President and protecting this country. Bush will never be my President. LOL As if you had any choice in the matter... Election 2000, we will never forget. -- "I have the right to vote against him in the next election." --Zepp Jamieson, 1996 http://www.google.com/groups?as_umsg....snowcrest.net "I will throw my vote away on a 3rd party candidate." --Zepp Jamieson,2000/02/15 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=38....snowcrest.net "You just doubled the value of my vote." --Zepp Jamieson, 2000/04/25 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=39....snowcrest.net [...] if we decide elections by square miles, my vote is worth 200 Los Angeles votes. --Zepp Jamieson, 2000-12-18 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=tb...x.com&oe=UTF-8 "Legal resident alien Zepp Jamieson, a Canadian who has lived in the United States for more than 30 years, said his status changed dramatically with the Patriot Act." http://www.mtshastanews.com/archives...695-news11.txt Legal resident aliens aren't allowed to vote, Jamieson. Why were you pretending to be a citizen? |
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:06:21 -0400, Julian D.
wrote: Cheney? Draft dodger, Coward, Haliburton whore and man in the white house. Shoot the *******! Thom...you actually think hiding in Australia prevents you from being investigated, or even interviewed by the Secret Service about you advocating that the Vice President should be shot? Not to be rude, but are you an idiot? Based on his posts so far..I think we can agree he is indeed. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:25:33 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: heh. You're kidding right? ONE call from the Secret Service to Australia, then one call from someone in the Australian government to Thom's isp. 2 calls, probably 5 minutes. Oops. 3 calls: All communications that enter or leave the US are automaticly screened by the NSA. The guy in Australia could be proxying from South America, or Russia. And Carnivore and Echelon would still tag him. Shrug Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:40:51 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: Julian D. wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:35:11 GMT, (Thom) wrote: On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:28:02 -0600, "Four Moron MONTHS!" _ wrote: E.E.Bud Keith wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Gunner wrote: On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:07:05 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: If you consider mayhem and assault, vandalism and violence to be proper expressions of Dissent, then pray to whatever you hold holy that the Right never takes your lead. We are the ones heavily armed, military trained in killing people and breaking things. You will pray for rocks if the Right ever uses your style of dissent. Gunner Yeah, the "right" sticks to blowing up federal office buildings, abortion clinics, and invading the wrong countries...for now. Cites? Or are you going to give me some cites about individuals? Virtually all the terrorist attacks of significance in recent years have been the work of conservative, right-wing assholes and the groups to which they belong...Osama, McVeigh, Cheney, et al. Want me to post some cites about individuals on the Left? I can you know...quite a number. I don't give a crap what you post, dickwiper. You're now in my bozo bin, along with the other mental defectives. Writing under another name again Brian, Posts by you under any name are so easy to recognize. Written by and egomaniac who thinks that only he has the right answer to every problem, And if someone dares to disagree with him, he unleashes a torrent of vile hate and abusive langauge. Come to think of it you remind me very much of the little corporal who so loved to hate everybody in the world And like your communist idols those that disagreed with him were eliminated. For now you can only attempt to smear those you dislike with hate. But should people like you ever can any real power the world is in for the biggest blood bath in history. Gunner, eh? Did your mama name you after the dog? -- Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to! Yes, anyone NOT being a ****ing right wing moron like "Bud" just has to be a communist.. seeing things in balck and white does indicate a revulsion of critical thinking. What the right wing Fuhrur worshipors don't seemed to real;ize is that it is the duty of all citizens to watch their elected representitives like a hawk no matter what party they are in including their own. When Kerry gets sworn in in January its time to put the microscope on him too, This news group will revert back to its original subject, the Bush crime family, with a new touch on how to arrest and convict Bush for his 4 years of crime and corruption. Bush is going to be rewarded by re-election for being a great President and protecting this country. Bush will never be my President. Unless you live outside of the US and its territories..snicker..he will indeed be. So suck it up there old wank and learn to live with 4 MORE YEARS chortle Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:25:33 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: heh. You're kidding right? ONE call from the Secret Service to Australia, then one call from someone in the Australian government to Thom's isp. 2 calls, probably 5 minutes. Oops. 3 calls: All communications that enter or leave the US are automaticly screened by the NSA. The guy in Australia could be proxying from South America, or Russia. And Carnivore and Echelon would still tag him. And yet it is perfectly legal for Americans to call for the death of heads of other countries. Shrug Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:26:04 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: Bush will never be my President. LOL As if you had any choice in the matter... Election 2000, we will never forget. I should hope not. The next time you Leftist *******s try to steal an election, you should have someone besides the 3 Stooges in the planning department. Better luck next time, wank bait. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:40:51 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Julian D. wrote: Bush is going to be rewarded by re-election for being a great President and protecting this country. Bush will never be my President. Unless you live outside of the US and its territories..snicker..he will indeed be. Your actions resemble those of the Hussein Regime. You call it treason to not support your homicidal agenda. Comrade Gunner. So suck it up there old wank and learn to live with 4 MORE YEARS chortle Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
Nicholas Heyward wrote:
Gunner wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:26:04 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Bush will never be my President. LOL As if you had any choice in the matter... Election 2000, we will never forget. I should hope not. The next time you Leftist *******s try to steal an election, you should have someone besides the 3 Stooges in the planning department. Divided we fall. Good luck with your war plans. Maybe Gunner will stop a bullet for Bush...or is he just brave on usenet? -- Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to! |
Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:26:04 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Bush will never be my President. LOL As if you had any choice in the matter... Election 2000, we will never forget. I should hope not. The next time you Leftist *******s try to steal an election, you should have someone besides the 3 Stooges in the planning department. Divided we fall. Good luck with your war plans. Gunner |
Nicholas Heyward wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: Nicholas Heyward wrote: Gunner wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:26:04 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Bush will never be my President. LOL As if you had any choice in the matter... Election 2000, we will never forget. I should hope not. The next time you Leftist *******s try to steal an election, you should have someone besides the 3 Stooges in the planning department. Divided we fall. Good luck with your war plans. Maybe Gunner will stop a bullet for Bush...or is he just brave on usenet? I want to see these patriotic killer wannabees when the government starts looking for more soldiers. We should get plenty of flag waving Conservative volunteers. Yeah, right...they'll brownstain their shorts and try to figure out a way for some black or Hispanic kids to take their place. -- Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to! |
Harry Krause wrote:
Nicholas Heyward wrote: Gunner wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:26:04 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Bush will never be my President. LOL As if you had any choice in the matter... Election 2000, we will never forget. I should hope not. The next time you Leftist *******s try to steal an election, you should have someone besides the 3 Stooges in the planning department. Divided we fall. Good luck with your war plans. Maybe Gunner will stop a bullet for Bush...or is he just brave on usenet? I want to see these patriotic killer wannabees when the government starts looking for more soldiers. We should get plenty of flag waving Conservative volunteers. |
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:06:21 -0400, Julian D.
wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:35:01 GMT, (Thom) wrote: On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 02:47:20 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:51:01 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Gunner wrote: On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:07:05 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: If you consider mayhem and assault, vandalism and violence to be proper expressions of Dissent, then pray to whatever you hold holy that the Right never takes your lead. We are the ones heavily armed, military trained in killing people and breaking things. You will pray for rocks if the Right ever uses your style of dissent. Gunner Yeah, the "right" sticks to blowing up federal office buildings, abortion clinics, and invading the wrong countries...for now. Cites? Or are you going to give me some cites about individuals? Virtually all the terrorist attacks of significance in recent years have been the work of conservative, right-wing assholes and the groups to which they belong...Osama, McVeigh, Cheney, et al. Osama and Co. is a Religious Fundimentalist. Not a right winger. McVeigh was a stooge for the left wing Clinton Administration. Cheney did what exactly? Right, and the Greens really work for big business. Fundamentalism IS RIGHT WING! McVeigh was a right wing good ole boy who stupidly blamed Waco on Clinton when in fact it was Bush41. he lashed out at the system as any good American would after WACO but did it in a manner as bad as WACO. Cheney? Draft dodger, Coward, Haliburton whore and man in the white house. Shoot the *******! Thom...you actually think hiding in Australia prevents you from being investigated, or even interviewed by the Secret Service about you advocating that the Vice President should be shot? How stupid are they? "Shoot the *******" is a catch phrase and they know damned well what I meant. Plus they also know that Cheney isn't worth the price of a cartridge and I wouldn't waste one on him. He will be investigated and jailed in due course plus he is still awaiting his trial from 3 years ago. We can put him in a Texas prison and paint him black and I'll be he'se on death row in a week! :-) Not to be rude, but are you an idiot? no I'm not a republican. OH and no one is hiding in Australia. My parents were both Irish (Lyons and Fitzpatrick), my father an Aussie citizen and mother US citizen and I am a duel citizen. I legally have 2+ passports and can live and travel in quite a few countries (especially in the commonwealth) freely. I am retired down here because I hate the cold (miss my Colorado-NM mountains though) and its so much cheaper and safer to live here. I live here (in this state) with 54,000 other X-pat yanks and am in two Australian-American associations including a Vets organization. As I get older I prefer to live in a socialist country rather than to be left to die in the streets of America or rolled out into the parking lot on a girney to freeze while they call a truck to drag me to a charity hospital like so many older Americans. The US has to wake up to the fact the world is changing and the type of country we are (especially the medical system) just isn't on any more. The world is so anti-US now because of Bush. we X-pats generally tell people here we're Canadian if our accents can get away with it. THOM |
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:23:58 GMT, "Jeffrey McCann"
wrote: Ill bet they did. And Ill further bet that they are mostly Left Liberals who are complaining. The Left is the side that defends the Constitutional rights of citizens. The Statist, authoritarian NeoCons of the Right are the problem. Sure Jeff..sure..now what again expires at Midnight tonight? "I believe that the FBI is genuinely concerned about uncovering terrorist activity and violence," said Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, but added that agents should honor protected dissent, the core of democracy. Attorney General John Ashcroft defended the FBI interviews at a news conference yesterday. Ashcroft said FBI agents interviewed only protesters they believed were plotting to firebomb media vehicles at the Democratic convention or might have known about such plots. Sounds fair to me. I'm sure it does. What Ashcroft and his cronies "believed" is irrelevent. The question is whether there was sufficient legal grounds for their actions, and whether their actions were conducted legally, period. Good question. And the answer is? Ashcroft said suggestions that the interviews were aimed at stifling protests were an "outrageous distortion." "We interviewed a very limited number of people that we believed were either participating in a plan to criminally and violently disrupt the Democratic National Convention, or individuals that might have known something about that plan," Ashcroft said. Sounds fair. What Ashcroft and his cronies "believed" is irrelevent. The question is whether there was sufficient legal grounds for their actions, and whether their actions were conducted legally, period. Good question. And the answer is? Joe Parris, an FBI spokesman in Washington, said officers from the bureau's Joint Terrorism Task Force are entitled to question activists about possible violence around high-profile election-year events. "The interviewees were free to talk to us or not. Nobody was taken into custody, locked up for interrogation. Nobody was given the third degree," he said. Sounds fair. What Ashcroft and his cronies "believed" is irrelevent. The question is whether there was sufficient legal grounds for their actions, and whether their actions were conducted legally, period. When you get interrogated just for, let's say, posting to this newsgroup, we'll see what you say. Good question. And the answer is? But some legal experts say it is inappropriate for law enforcement agents to continue questioning people who have invoked their right to counsel. Some..operative word "some" Ill bet those legal experts are likely to be mouthpieces for the Left Libs. "It is a form of badgering, and it is clearly designed to coerce or intimidate witnesses with the objective being that they should speak to them without counsel," said Jonathan Turley, a George Washington University law professor. Where in the PC is badgering not a legitimate tactic? And please define Badgering. This week, several Democratic lawmakers called for a Justice Department investigation into whether the questioning violated the protesters' First Amendment rights. Oh hooo! Several Democrats...of course! Yeah. Of course, the Repugs are the problem here, remember? No..the whiney Left is the problem. Shrug. In a letter to the Justice Department, Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, and two other panel members, Reps. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., and Robert Scott, D-Va., said the FBI appeared to be "engaged in systematic political harassment and intimidation of legitimate anti-war protesters." Now there is a trio of leftists that we can judge as fair and balanced..indeed...snicker... And what is the job of of members of the Judiciary Committee? Get it? Not partisian politics..thats for sure. And the Republican members said what? Gary Bald, assistant director of the FBI's counterterrorism division, said the bureau anticipates violent protests at the upcoming Republican National Convention in New York but does not have enough evidence to move against any group or person. Federal investigators have infiltrated some groups and are monitoring protest plans published on the Internet. New York officials have said they expect hundreds of thousands of people to stage demonstrations around the convention, which begins Aug. 30. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...312_fbi21.html ***** Three Democratic lawmakers on the House Judiciary Committee have criticized the FBI's interviews of protesters around the country. They asked the Justice Department's inspector general to investigate what they called "possible violations of First Amendment free speech and assembly rights." [snip] The committee's ranking Democrat, Michigan's John Conyers, along with Reps. Robert C. "Bobby" Scott of Virginia and Jerrold Nadler of New York, said in a letter that the FBI "appears to be engaged in systematic political harassment and intimidation of legitimate anti-war protesters." [snip] http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in636357.shtml ***** NEW YORK (AP) - Long-haired and bearded, Sebastian Licht said he set out Tuesday to celebrate his 22nd birthday, only to be mocked by a police officer as "Jesus" and swept up in one of the largest mass arrests in the nation's history. He emerged two days later from court - smelly, bleeding and determined to become the activist he says police feared he was. One of more than 1,700 people arrested this week at demonstrations aimed at the Republican National Convention, Licht gained his freedom on Thursday morning. A judge, frustrated at the city's pace in moving protesters through the criminal justice system, ordered the immediate release of nearly 500 of them. Most of those arrested were anti-GOP protesters, but some insist they got snared in the chaos. Licht puts himself in the latter category. Wearing a Polo Sport Ralph Lauren shirt and khaki shorts, Licht described his 6 p.m. arrest Tuesday in Herald Square, where he said he approached a subway station that he learned was closed only to be caught in a police sweep of the area. "Because I have long hair and a beard, they took me," he said. Being in the wrong place and at the wrong time had nothing to do with it, correct? Being innocent of any crime apparently had nothing to do with it. Thats for the jury and the Judge to decide, isnt it? So far..its Lichts word against the cops. And his press credentials were where exactly? At one point after his arrest, he said, a police officer saw him laughing. "What's so funny, Jesus?" he recalled the officer asking. Fair question. A mocking insult, intended as such. Taunting or insulting arrestees is improper police conduct, albeit minor. Sure. Almost on the same level as buggery with a toilet plunger. He said the officer then tightened the handcuffs and said, "It's not so funny now, is it, Jesus?" Blood seeped from a small cut on his wrist as he recalled the incident. bummer. I wonder if he will loose the hand. Petty physicial abuse, also illegal. Ive flex cuffed quite a number of suspects a time or two..and each and every one of them that got cut were thrashing around. Now free, he said he planned to look for a protest rally, inspired by his experience and the many political discussions he heard while waiting with protesters to appear in court and be released. He called it the "birth of my activism." Surrrre he does. Such abuse invites response. Sure it does. Assuming he wasnt lying like a rug. I should remind you that NYC is a liberal run and operated organization. They didnt even want the GOP convention there. So the cops are in cahoots with the Right? Sure Jeff..sure. Now he has two options for response. He can find himself a nice liberal lawyer and sue, or get a high powered rifle and climb one of those nice tall buildings and "Fix Em...cackle chortle" . Among more seasoned activists emerging from court was Mikel Stone, 29, of Denver, who described his time at a detention center on Pier 57 as a nightmare, part of the same two-day odyssey experienced by Licht. "My throat still hurts and my joints are achy," he said. He said a thick black oily residue on the floor of Pier 57 stained his pants during the two days he was locked up after he was caught in a police net arrest at Herald Square on Tuesday. Oh horrors..the Seasoned Activist got his pants dirty!!!!!! the horror..the horror..... Good tactic, pretending to miss the main point to focus on trivialities, seeing as you are in the wrong. No Jeff..we are taking the word of a bunch of semi and professional activists for their "beatings and humilitations and being tear gased and trampled by horses and.... well you get the drift. A political science student and anti-war activist, Stone said he believed harsh detention conditions were part of an effort by the city to be "cruel and demoralizing." What..did he want MTV? No, just his civil rights. And he didnt get them exactly how? Still, he said he planned to protest Thursday night. Hummmm sounds like he got out quick enough and he wasnt too demoralized.... Tim Kulik, 22, a photography student at the Rochester Institute of Technology who was transporting film for photographers at The Associated Press when he was arrested late Tuesday on his bicycle, was freed Thursday after 35 hours. He said he was scraped on his face and bruised on his leg and neck when a police officer tackled him before other officers completed the arrest. The officer who tackled him later tightened his handcuffs when he asked that they be loosened, he said. And why was he tackled? And where was his press credentials? Press "credentials" are not necessary, nor are they any kind of legal requirement. Sure they are. If you are told to leave and area, or stop doing whatever the police consider to be illegal.. having press credentials is often a keep out of jail card. In fact..most often its a free ticket. "As far as police, they're good, pretty objective and professional, but then I encountered plenty of disrespectful police who abuse their positions," he said. At least they didnt call him Jesus. Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said officers acted with restraint. In a statement Thursday, he said there had been "exaggerated claims and outright falsehoods" about the conditions at the post-arrest screening site at Pier 57. That I can believe. We never smelled the crematoria, noticed the ashfall, or knew anything about it, honest! They said they were just resettling the Jews in the East. That I can believe. Nice strawman Jeff. Now that should be accompanied with some sad Polish Gypsy music and the faint sounds of jack boots marching in rythm and perhaps a train whistle faintly in the background, Maybe some ground fog..and lines of refugees in their Nikes and Levis passing by on the way to the showers... He said most detainees are held there for 90 minutes, none was there longer than eight hours and all had immediate access to toilet facilities and drinking water. Some probably were held longer, particularly those that refused to provide ID. Note that in most protest literature..its recommended that you never go to a protest with ID, as it intentionally slows down the booking process. Civil rights lawyer Norman Siegel, who led Thursday's court fight to get the detainees freed, said the long detentions were illegal, especially since the time in overcrowded, dirty conditions was disproportionate to the alleged misdemeanor crimes, such as disorderly conduct. Snicker..... These can be handled by citation. Im sure they can be. And then the Citee will be right back doing whatever he/she was cited for. What..5 minutes? Sure..Jeff..just what we need. Revolving Door Riot control. "People engaged in real crimes are getting out quicker than the protesters," he said. "It's an Alice in Wonderland approach." No..its called..Those arrested for more serious crimes already are in the computer, already know the drill and provide proper ID and do not try to slow down the booking process. Yeah, right. Yah, right. No sympathy from me. We know where your sympathy lies, Gunner, with the statist, authoritarian NeoCons of the Right, but not with the rights of your fellow citizens. Jeff Cue in the sounds of Wagner, marching men all wearing black and jackboots, carrying the blood red banners and flaming torches enter the scene, while in the foreground a blazing bonfire consumes a pile of books. Right Jeff...sure pal... Nurse!!!!!!!!!! The Thorazine quickly! Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:09:00 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: Gunner wrote: On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:56:11 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Communism was paranoid right wingnut delusion inflicted on the masses. No Communist axis of evil existed except in the minds of the neocons. Sure Comrade..sure. Tell that to the Ukrainians, and the East Germans, and the Poles...etc etc. East Germany wasn't conquered by Communism. Idiot. The Harlem Globetrotters? Seventh Day Adventists? No..Ive got it..it was the MOONIES!!!!!!!! Yes thats right..the evil get of Karl Marx and an unnamed Eurasion woman. YES!!! The Berlin Wall was put up by the Moonies. The mines, the guard towers, the barbed wire..the incesant hammering of the machine guns as people tried desperately to flee the Moonies! Yes! And of course it was that evil Moonie Yosef Stalin who starved about 3 million Kulacks and Ukranians. The Symbol of the Moonies is the Hammer and Sickle, correct? And the Moonies were the brain child of a failed idology developed by Ingals and Marx, and enforced by Mad Felix and Berria and other evil Moonies. The Moonie Purges in the 30s..yes indeed! (as the sounds of the Internationale swell in the background, while columns of Moonie missile launchers and little Moonie girl children with baskets of flower peddles pass the viewing stand) Idiot. Gunner Tell that to those who's bodys were tossed into mass graves in the Gulogs... Sure Comrade..sure. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:05:17 GMT, Steve Canyon
wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:40:51 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Julian D. wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:35:11 GMT, (Thom) wrote: On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:28:02 -0600, "Four Moron MONTHS!" _ wrote: E.E.Bud Keith wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Gunner wrote: On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:07:05 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: If you consider mayhem and assault, vandalism and violence to be proper expressions of Dissent, then pray to whatever you hold holy that the Right never takes your lead. We are the ones heavily armed, military trained in killing people and breaking things. You will pray for rocks if the Right ever uses your style of dissent. Gunner Yeah, the "right" sticks to blowing up federal office buildings, abortion clinics, and invading the wrong countries...for now. Cites? Or are you going to give me some cites about individuals? Virtually all the terrorist attacks of significance in recent years have been the work of conservative, right-wing assholes and the groups to which they belong...Osama, McVeigh, Cheney, et al. Want me to post some cites about individuals on the Left? I can you know...quite a number. I don't give a crap what you post, dickwiper. You're now in my bozo bin, along with the other mental defectives. Writing under another name again Brian, Posts by you under any name are so easy to recognize. Written by and egomaniac who thinks that only he has the right answer to every problem, And if someone dares to disagree with him, he unleashes a torrent of vile hate and abusive langauge. Come to think of it you remind me very much of the little corporal who so loved to hate everybody in the world And like your communist idols those that disagreed with him were eliminated. For now you can only attempt to smear those you dislike with hate. But should people like you ever can any real power the world is in for the biggest blood bath in history. Gunner, eh? Did your mama name you after the dog? -- Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to! Yes, anyone NOT being a ****ing right wing moron like "Bud" just has to be a communist.. seeing things in balck and white does indicate a revulsion of critical thinking. What the right wing Fuhrur worshipors don't seemed to real;ize is that it is the duty of all citizens to watch their elected representitives like a hawk no matter what party they are in including their own. When Kerry gets sworn in in January its time to put the microscope on him too, This news group will revert back to its original subject, the Bush crime family, with a new touch on how to arrest and convict Bush for his 4 years of crime and corruption. Bush is going to be rewarded by re-election for being a great President and protecting this country. Bush will never be my President. LOL As if you had any choice in the matter... Now we finally agree on something Steve. Given the crooked elections in Florida and other places, voting is almost a waste of time. THOM -- "I have the right to vote against him in the next election." --Zepp Jamieson, 1996 http://www.google.com/groups?as_umsg....snowcrest.net "I will throw my vote away on a 3rd party candidate." --Zepp Jamieson,2000/02/15 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=38....snowcrest.net "You just doubled the value of my vote." --Zepp Jamieson, 2000/04/25 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=39....snowcrest.net [...] if we decide elections by square miles, my vote is worth 200 Los Angeles votes. --Zepp Jamieson, 2000-12-18 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=tb...x.com&oe=UTF-8 "Legal resident alien Zepp Jamieson, a Canadian who has lived in the United States for more than 30 years, said his status changed dramatically with the Patriot Act." http://www.mtshastanews.com/archives...695-news11.txt Legal resident aliens aren't allowed to vote, Jamieson. Why were you pretending to be a citizen? |
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:50:54 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Julian D." wrote in message .. . Bush is going to be rewarded by re-election for being a great President and protecting this country. THOM Bush is probably going to be re-elected because the Democrats have put up an incompetent candidate. Sort of like the Republicans on 1996. actually its a win win situation. If Bush gets reappointed he'll go even more nuts and crooked and he'll end up like Nixon but take the republican party with him. If he looses well, the PUG Party is still around but we're free of him. THOM |
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:08:20 -0400, thunder
wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:50:54 +0000, Calif Bill wrote: Bush is probably going to be re-elected because the Democrats have put up an incompetent candidate. Sort of like the Republicans on 1996. 250 million people. Bush *and* Kerry are the best we can do? Scary thought. That's an amazingly correct statement! You would at least think the PUGS would put something like a McCain/Lighthorse-Campbell ticket up. THOM |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Julian D. wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:17:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: thunder wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:50:54 +0000, Calif Bill wrote: Bush is probably going to be re-elected because the Democrats have put up an incompetent candidate. Sort of like the Republicans on 1996. 250 million people. Bush *and* Kerry are the best we can do? Scary thought. According to John Herring, Bush had seven minutes of thought on 9-11. I don't want to call Herring a liar, but there's no proof Bush was lost in thought. More likely, he was just lost. What about Kerry's admitted 40 minutes of 'just sitting there, not knowing what to do or think' (sic)? Hmmm...that'll be 33 more minutes of doing 'nothing' than Bush did if the nation needs Kerry during an attack. Kerry wasn't POTUS at the time. One expects one's POTUS to NOT sit like a bump on a log at a time of national crisis. Bush is an intellectual cipher. He's proved it for years. Perhaps a stunatz is what America deserves, eh? -- Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to! Well Kerry wants to be POTUS and he proved he had brain lock of 40 minutes. |
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:26:04 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: Steve Canyon wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:40:51 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Julian D. wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:35:11 GMT, (Thom) wrote: On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:28:02 -0600, "Four Moron MONTHS!" _ wrote: E.E.Bud Keith wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Gunner wrote: On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:07:05 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: If you consider mayhem and assault, vandalism and violence to be proper expressions of Dissent, then pray to whatever you hold holy that the Right never takes your lead. We are the ones heavily armed, military trained in killing people and breaking things. You will pray for rocks if the Right ever uses your style of dissent. Gunner Yeah, the "right" sticks to blowing up federal office buildings, abortion clinics, and invading the wrong countries...for now. Cites? Or are you going to give me some cites about individuals? Virtually all the terrorist attacks of significance in recent years have been the work of conservative, right-wing assholes and the groups to which they belong...Osama, McVeigh, Cheney, et al. Want me to post some cites about individuals on the Left? I can you know...quite a number. I don't give a crap what you post, dickwiper. You're now in my bozo bin, along with the other mental defectives. Writing under another name again Brian, Posts by you under any name are so easy to recognize. Written by and egomaniac who thinks that only he has the right answer to every problem, And if someone dares to disagree with him, he unleashes a torrent of vile hate and abusive langauge. Come to think of it you remind me very much of the little corporal who so loved to hate everybody in the world And like your communist idols those that disagreed with him were eliminated. For now you can only attempt to smear those you dislike with hate. But should people like you ever can any real power the world is in for the biggest blood bath in history. Gunner, eh? Did your mama name you after the dog? -- Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to! Yes, anyone NOT being a ****ing right wing moron like "Bud" just has to be a communist.. seeing things in balck and white does indicate a revulsion of critical thinking. What the right wing Fuhrur worshipors don't seemed to real;ize is that it is the duty of all citizens to watch their elected representitives like a hawk no matter what party they are in including their own. When Kerry gets sworn in in January its time to put the microscope on him too, This news group will revert back to its original subject, the Bush crime family, with a new touch on how to arrest and convict Bush for his 4 years of crime and corruption. Bush is going to be rewarded by re-election for being a great President and protecting this country. Bush will never be my President. LOL As if you had any choice in the matter... Election 2000, we will never forget. LOL As if you sissy liberals could do anything about it. -- "I have the right to vote against him in the next election." --Zepp Jamieson, 1996 http://www.google.com/groups?as_umsg....snowcrest.net "I will throw my vote away on a 3rd party candidate." --Zepp Jamieson,2000/02/15 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=38....snowcrest.net "You just doubled the value of my vote." --Zepp Jamieson, 2000/04/25 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=39....snowcrest.net [...] if we decide elections by square miles, my vote is worth 200 Los Angeles votes. --Zepp Jamieson, 2000-12-18 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=tb...x.com&oe=UTF-8 "Legal resident alien Zepp Jamieson, a Canadian who has lived in the United States for more than 30 years, said his status changed dramatically with the Patriot Act." http://www.mtshastanews.com/archives...695-news11.txt Legal resident aliens aren't allowed to vote, Jamieson. Why were you pretending to be a citizen? |
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:53:50 -0400, Julian D.
wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:26:04 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Steve Canyon wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:40:51 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Julian D. wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:35:11 GMT, (Thom) wrote: On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:28:02 -0600, "Four Moron MONTHS!" _ wrote: E.E.Bud Keith wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Gunner wrote: On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:07:05 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: If you consider mayhem and assault, vandalism and violence to be proper expressions of Dissent, then pray to whatever you hold holy that the Right never takes your lead. We are the ones heavily armed, military trained in killing people and breaking things. You will pray for rocks if the Right ever uses your style of dissent. Gunner Yeah, the "right" sticks to blowing up federal office buildings, abortion clinics, and invading the wrong countries...for now. Cites? Or are you going to give me some cites about individuals? Virtually all the terrorist attacks of significance in recent years have been the work of conservative, right-wing assholes and the groups to which they belong...Osama, McVeigh, Cheney, et al. Want me to post some cites about individuals on the Left? I can you know...quite a number. I don't give a crap what you post, dickwiper. You're now in my bozo bin, along with the other mental defectives. Writing under another name again Brian, Posts by you under any name are so easy to recognize. Written by and egomaniac who thinks that only he has the right answer to every problem, And if someone dares to disagree with him, he unleashes a torrent of vile hate and abusive langauge. Come to think of it you remind me very much of the little corporal who so loved to hate everybody in the world And like your communist idols those that disagreed with him were eliminated. For now you can only attempt to smear those you dislike with hate. But should people like you ever can any real power the world is in for the biggest blood bath in history. Gunner, eh? Did your mama name you after the dog? -- Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to! Yes, anyone NOT being a ****ing right wing moron like "Bud" just has to be a communist.. seeing things in balck and white does indicate a revulsion of critical thinking. What the right wing Fuhrur worshipors don't seemed to real;ize is that it is the duty of all citizens to watch their elected representitives like a hawk no matter what party they are in including their own. When Kerry gets sworn in in January its time to put the microscope on him too, This news group will revert back to its original subject, the Bush crime family, with a new touch on how to arrest and convict Bush for his 4 years of crime and corruption. Bush is going to be rewarded by re-election for being a great President and protecting this country. Bush will never be my President. LOL As if you had any choice in the matter... Election 2000, we will never forget. That attitude and the hatred for Bush is why Kerry will lose. I have to disagree. Kerry was destined to lose and there really was never anything Nicholas could have done about it. -- "I have the right to vote against him in the next election." --Zepp Jamieson, 1996 http://www.google.com/groups?as_umsg....snowcrest.net "I will throw my vote away on a 3rd party candidate." --Zepp Jamieson,2000/02/15 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=38....snowcrest.net "You just doubled the value of my vote." --Zepp Jamieson, 2000/04/25 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=39....snowcrest.net [...] if we decide elections by square miles, my vote is worth 200 Los Angeles votes. --Zepp Jamieson, 2000-12-18 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=tb...x.com&oe=UTF-8 "Legal resident alien Zepp Jamieson, a Canadian who has lived in the United States for more than 30 years, said his status changed dramatically with the Patriot Act." http://www.mtshastanews.com/archives...695-news11.txt Legal resident aliens aren't allowed to vote, Jamieson. Why were you pretending to be a citizen? |
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:28:20 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Nicholas Heyward wrote: Gunner wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:26:04 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Bush will never be my President. LOL As if you had any choice in the matter... Election 2000, we will never forget. I should hope not. The next time you Leftist *******s try to steal an election, you should have someone besides the 3 Stooges in the planning department. Divided we fall. Good luck with your war plans. Maybe Gunner will stop a bullet for Bush...or is he just brave on usenet? I want to see these patriotic killer wannabees when the government starts looking for more soldiers. The USA has never had any trouble finding soldiers and I doubt that we will ever have, in spite of the existence of the girly-boy liberals. We should get plenty of flag waving Conservative volunteers. -- "I have the right to vote against him in the next election." --Zepp Jamieson, 1996 http://www.google.com/groups?as_umsg....snowcrest.net "I will throw my vote away on a 3rd party candidate." --Zepp Jamieson,2000/02/15 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=38....snowcrest.net "You just doubled the value of my vote." --Zepp Jamieson, 2000/04/25 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=39....snowcrest.net [...] if we decide elections by square miles, my vote is worth 200 Los Angeles votes. --Zepp Jamieson, 2000-12-18 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=tb...x.com&oe=UTF-8 "Legal resident alien Zepp Jamieson, a Canadian who has lived in the United States for more than 30 years, said his status changed dramatically with the Patriot Act." http://www.mtshastanews.com/archives...695-news11.txt Legal resident aliens aren't allowed to vote, Jamieson. Why were you pretending to be a citizen? |
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:49:39 GMT, (Thom)
wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:05:17 GMT, Steve Canyon wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:40:51 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Julian D. wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:35:11 GMT, (Thom) wrote: On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:28:02 -0600, "Four Moron MONTHS!" _ wrote: E.E.Bud Keith wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Gunner wrote: On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:07:05 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: If you consider mayhem and assault, vandalism and violence to be proper expressions of Dissent, then pray to whatever you hold holy that the Right never takes your lead. We are the ones heavily armed, military trained in killing people and breaking things. You will pray for rocks if the Right ever uses your style of dissent. Gunner Yeah, the "right" sticks to blowing up federal office buildings, abortion clinics, and invading the wrong countries...for now. Cites? Or are you going to give me some cites about individuals? Virtually all the terrorist attacks of significance in recent years have been the work of conservative, right-wing assholes and the groups to which they belong...Osama, McVeigh, Cheney, et al. Want me to post some cites about individuals on the Left? I can you know...quite a number. I don't give a crap what you post, dickwiper. You're now in my bozo bin, along with the other mental defectives. Writing under another name again Brian, Posts by you under any name are so easy to recognize. Written by and egomaniac who thinks that only he has the right answer to every problem, And if someone dares to disagree with him, he unleashes a torrent of vile hate and abusive langauge. Come to think of it you remind me very much of the little corporal who so loved to hate everybody in the world And like your communist idols those that disagreed with him were eliminated. For now you can only attempt to smear those you dislike with hate. But should people like you ever can any real power the world is in for the biggest blood bath in history. Gunner, eh? Did your mama name you after the dog? -- Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal! And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to! Yes, anyone NOT being a ****ing right wing moron like "Bud" just has to be a communist.. seeing things in balck and white does indicate a revulsion of critical thinking. What the right wing Fuhrur worshipors don't seemed to real;ize is that it is the duty of all citizens to watch their elected representitives like a hawk no matter what party they are in including their own. When Kerry gets sworn in in January its time to put the microscope on him too, This news group will revert back to its original subject, the Bush crime family, with a new touch on how to arrest and convict Bush for his 4 years of crime and corruption. Bush is going to be rewarded by re-election for being a great President and protecting this country. Bush will never be my President. LOL As if you had any choice in the matter... Now we finally agree on something Steve. Given the crooked elections in Florida and other places, voting is almost a waste of time. THOM Especially when you're voting for the guy that's going to lose. -- "I have the right to vote against him in the next election." --Zepp Jamieson, 1996 http://www.google.com/groups?as_umsg....snowcrest.net "I will throw my vote away on a 3rd party candidate." --Zepp Jamieson,2000/02/15 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=38....snowcrest.net "You just doubled the value of my vote." --Zepp Jamieson, 2000/04/25 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=39....snowcrest.net [...] if we decide elections by square miles, my vote is worth 200 Los Angeles votes. --Zepp Jamieson, 2000-12-18 http://www.google.com/groups?selm=tb...x.com&oe=UTF-8 "Legal resident alien Zepp Jamieson, a Canadian who has lived in the United States for more than 30 years, said his status changed dramatically with the Patriot Act." http://www.mtshastanews.com/archives...695-news11.txt Legal resident aliens aren't allowed to vote, Jamieson. Why were you pretending to be a citizen? |
"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:23:58 GMT, "Jeffrey McCann" wrote: Ill bet they did. And Ill further bet that they are mostly Left Liberals who are complaining. The Left is the side that defends the Constitutional rights of citizens. The Statist, authoritarian NeoCons of the Right are the problem. Sure Jeff..sure..now what again expires at Midnight tonight? The AWB is one of my lesser worries, although Bush said he'd sign a renewal. Of course, he says lots of things that never come to pass, so ya' never know. The Left's occasional tresspasses against civil rights pale in comparision to the frequent and severe all-out assaults by the Right. Face it, the BoR is safer in the hands of the Democrats. "I believe that the FBI is genuinely concerned about uncovering terrorist activity and violence," said Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, but added that agents should honor protected dissent, the core of democracy. Attorney General John Ashcroft defended the FBI interviews at a news conference yesterday. Ashcroft said FBI agents interviewed only protesters they believed were plotting to firebomb media vehicles at the Democratic convention or might have known about such plots. Sounds fair to me. I'm sure it does. What Ashcroft and his cronies "believed" is irrelevent. The question is whether there was sufficient legal grounds for their actions, and whether their actions were conducted legally, period. Good question. And the answer is? He is the Attorney General of the US, after all. So we know that's another question that won't ever see answered. Ashcroft said suggestions that the interviews were aimed at stifling protests were an "outrageous distortion." "We interviewed a very limited number of people that we believed were either participating in a plan to criminally and violently disrupt the Democratic National Convention, or individuals that might have known something about that plan," Ashcroft said. Sounds fair. What Ashcroft and his cronies "believed" is irrelevent. The question is whether there was sufficient legal grounds for their actions, and whether their actions were conducted legally, period. Good question. And the answer is? There is clear evidence of improper interrogation and intimidation by federal authorities, which will never, of course, be properly investigated. By the way, how's that investigation into the outing of a CIA agent, in apparent revenge for her husband's revealing the truth about some of Bush's lies coming? Joe Parris, an FBI spokesman in Washington, said officers from the bureau's Joint Terrorism Task Force are entitled to question activists about possible violence around high-profile election-year events. "The interviewees were free to talk to us or not. Nobody was taken into custody, locked up for interrogation. Nobody was given the third degree," he said. Sounds fair. What Ashcroft and his cronies "believed" is irrelevent. The question is whether there was sufficient legal grounds for their actions, and whether their actions were conducted legally, period. When you get interrogated just for, let's say, posting to this newsgroup, we'll see what you say. Good question. And the answer is? We may see one day, but I hope not, for your sake. I'd hate to see you get the Richard Jewell or Steven J. Hatfill treatment. But some legal experts say it is inappropriate for law enforcement agents to continue questioning people who have invoked their right to counsel. Some..operative word "some" Ill bet those legal experts are likely to be mouthpieces for the Left Libs. "It is a form of badgering, and it is clearly designed to coerce or intimidate witnesses with the objective being that they should speak to them without counsel," said Jonathan Turley, a George Washington University law professor. Where in the PC is badgering not a legitimate tactic? And please define Badgering. This week, several Democratic lawmakers called for a Justice Department investigation into whether the questioning violated the protesters' First Amendment rights. Oh hooo! Several Democrats...of course! Yeah. Of course, the Repugs are the problem here, remember? No..the whiney Left is the problem. Shrug. Yeah. No one should ever dare to question the authorities for possibly violating citizen's civil rights, is that it? How very NeoCon of you. In a letter to the Justice Department, Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, and two other panel members, Reps. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., and Robert Scott, D-Va., said the FBI appeared to be "engaged in systematic political harassment and intimidation of legitimate anti-war protesters." Now there is a trio of leftists that we can judge as fair and balanced..indeed...snicker... And what is the job of of members of the Judiciary Committee? Get it? Not partisian politics..thats for sure. And the Republican members said what? Nothing. They don't care much for civil rights anyway. Why would they care about possible oppression? The LIKE it, for the most part. Gary Bald, assistant director of the FBI's counterterrorism division, said the bureau anticipates violent protests at the upcoming Republican National Convention in New York but does not have enough evidence to move against any group or person. Federal investigators have infiltrated some groups and are monitoring protest plans published on the Internet. New York officials have said they expect hundreds of thousands of people to stage demonstrations around the convention, which begins Aug. 30. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...312_fbi21.html ***** Three Democratic lawmakers on the House Judiciary Committee have criticized the FBI's interviews of protesters around the country. They asked the Justice Department's inspector general to investigate what they called "possible violations of First Amendment free speech and assembly rights." [snip] The committee's ranking Democrat, Michigan's John Conyers, along with Reps. Robert C. "Bobby" Scott of Virginia and Jerrold Nadler of New York, said in a letter that the FBI "appears to be engaged in systematic political harassment and intimidation of legitimate anti-war protesters." [snip] http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in636357.shtml ***** NEW YORK (AP) - Long-haired and bearded, Sebastian Licht said he set out Tuesday to celebrate his 22nd birthday, only to be mocked by a police officer as "Jesus" and swept up in one of the largest mass arrests in the nation's history. He emerged two days later from court - smelly, bleeding and determined to become the activist he says police feared he was. One of more than 1,700 people arrested this week at demonstrations aimed at the Republican National Convention, Licht gained his freedom on Thursday morning. A judge, frustrated at the city's pace in moving protesters through the criminal justice system, ordered the immediate release of nearly 500 of them. Most of those arrested were anti-GOP protesters, but some insist they got snared in the chaos. Licht puts himself in the latter category. Wearing a Polo Sport Ralph Lauren shirt and khaki shorts, Licht described his 6 p.m. arrest Tuesday in Herald Square, where he said he approached a subway station that he learned was closed only to be caught in a police sweep of the area. "Because I have long hair and a beard, they took me," he said. Being in the wrong place and at the wrong time had nothing to do with it, correct? Being innocent of any crime apparently had nothing to do with it. Thats for the jury and the Judge to decide, isnt it? So far..its Lichts word against the cops. And his press credentials were where exactly? How many trials do you think there are gonna be? The object wasn't to arrest and prosecute criminals, apparently. At one point after his arrest, he said, a police officer saw him laughing. "What's so funny, Jesus?" he recalled the officer asking. Fair question. A mocking insult, intended as such. Taunting or insulting arrestees is improper police conduct, albeit minor. Sure. Almost on the same level as buggery with a toilet plunger. No, but that was another shining example of the NYPD's respect for civil rights, and you trust those guys? He said the officer then tightened the handcuffs and said, "It's not so funny now, is it, Jesus?" Blood seeped from a small cut on his wrist as he recalled the incident. bummer. I wonder if he will loose the hand. Petty physicial abuse, also illegal. Ive flex cuffed quite a number of suspects a time or two..and each and every one of them that got cut were thrashing around. Overtightening cuffs OK with you? If so, you weren't trained properly. Now free, he said he planned to look for a protest rally, inspired by his experience and the many political discussions he heard while waiting with protesters to appear in court and be released. He called it the "birth of my activism." Surrrre he does. Such abuse invites response. Sure it does. Assuming he wasnt lying like a rug. I should remind you that NYC is a liberal run and operated organization. They didnt even want the GOP convention there. So the cops are in cahoots with the Right? Sure Jeff..sure. NYPD is a bastion of liberalism? That's pretty funny, even for you. ;-) Now he has two options for response. He can find himself a nice liberal lawyer and sue, or get a high powered rifle and climb one of those nice tall buildings and "Fix Em...cackle chortle" . I hope he chooses the former. Among more seasoned activists emerging from court was Mikel Stone, 29, of Denver, who described his time at a detention center on Pier 57 as a nightmare, part of the same two-day odyssey experienced by Licht. "My throat still hurts and my joints are achy," he said. He said a thick black oily residue on the floor of Pier 57 stained his pants during the two days he was locked up after he was caught in a police net arrest at Herald Square on Tuesday. Oh horrors..the Seasoned Activist got his pants dirty!!!!!! the horror..the horror..... Good tactic, pretending to miss the main point to focus on trivialities, seeing as you are in the wrong. No Jeff..we are taking the word of a bunch of semi and professional activists for their "beatings and humilitations and being tear gased and trampled by horses and.... well you get the drift. No, we are reviewing first hand accounts and reportage of police misconduct and civil rights violations. Remember, the shoe fits equally well on the other foot. A political science student and anti-war activist, Stone said he believed harsh detention conditions were part of an effort by the city to be "cruel and demoralizing." What..did he want MTV? No, just his civil rights. And he didnt get them exactly how? Unlawful arrest. Illegal detention. Police misconduct. Still, he said he planned to protest Thursday night. Hummmm sounds like he got out quick enough and he wasnt too demoralized.... Tim Kulik, 22, a photography student at the Rochester Institute of Technology who was transporting film for photographers at The Associated Press when he was arrested late Tuesday on his bicycle, was freed Thursday after 35 hours. He said he was scraped on his face and bruised on his leg and neck when a police officer tackled him before other officers completed the arrest. The officer who tackled him later tightened his handcuffs when he asked that they be loosened, he said. And why was he tackled? And where was his press credentials? Press "credentials" are not necessary, nor are they any kind of legal requirement. Sure they are. If you are told to leave and area, or stop doing whatever the police consider to be illegal.. having press credentials is often a keep out of jail card. In fact..most often its a free ticket. When the cops are acting in stormtrooper mode, as occasionally has been known to happen, all bets are off. "As far as police, they're good, pretty objective and professional, but then I encountered plenty of disrespectful police who abuse their positions," he said. At least they didnt call him Jesus. Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said officers acted with restraint. In a statement Thursday, he said there had been "exaggerated claims and outright falsehoods" about the conditions at the post-arrest screening site at Pier 57. That I can believe. We never smelled the crematoria, noticed the ashfall, or knew anything about it, honest! They said they were just resettling the Jews in the East. That I can believe. Nice strawman Jeff. No strawman. The question is, where will you, Gunner, draw the line? I suggest you consider the question carefully, and set aside your personal distaste for the people involved and/or their particular politics. We've seen just how slippery this slope is already. Now that should be accompanied with some sad Polish Gypsy music and the faint sounds of jack boots marching in rythm and perhaps a train whistle faintly in the background, Maybe some ground fog..and lines of refugees in their Nikes and Levis passing by on the way to the showers... He said most detainees are held there for 90 minutes, none was there longer than eight hours and all had immediate access to toilet facilities and drinking water. Some probably were held longer, particularly those that refused to provide ID. Note that in most protest literature..its recommended that you never go to a protest with ID, as it intentionally slows down the booking process. Civil rights lawyer Norman Siegel, who led Thursday's court fight to get the detainees freed, said the long detentions were illegal, especially since the time in overcrowded, dirty conditions was disproportionate to the alleged misdemeanor crimes, such as disorderly conduct. Snicker..... These can be handled by citation. Im sure they can be. And then the Citee will be right back doing whatever he/she was cited for. What..5 minutes? Sure..Jeff..just what we need. Revolving Door Riot control. What riot are you referring to, exactly? Cites please. "People engaged in real crimes are getting out quicker than the protesters," he said. "It's an Alice in Wonderland approach." No..its called..Those arrested for more serious crimes already are in the computer, already know the drill and provide proper ID and do not try to slow down the booking process. Yeah, right. Yah, right. No sympathy from me. We know where your sympathy lies, Gunner, with the statist, authoritarian NeoCons of the Right, but not with the rights of your fellow citizens. Jeff Cue in the sounds of Wagner, marching men all wearing black and jackboots, carrying the blood red banners and flaming torches enter the scene, while in the foreground a blazing bonfire consumes a pile of books. Ashcroft already tried to destroy books: "Last week, the American Library Association learned that the Department of Justice asked the Government Printing Office Superintendent of Documents to instruct depository libraries to destroy five publications the Department has deemed not "appropriate for external use." The Department of Justice has called for these five these public documents, two of which are texts of federal statutes, to be removed from depository libraries and destroyed, making their content available only to those with access to a law office or law library. The topics addressed in the named documents include information on how citizens can retrieve items that may have been confiscated by the government during an investigation. The documents to be removed and destroyed include: Civil and Criminal Forfeiture Procedure; Select Criminal Forfeiture Forms; Select Federal Asset Forfeiture Statutes; Asset forfeiture and money laundering resource directory; and Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act of 2000 (CAFRA)." http://www.infowars.com/print/ps/ash...move_books.htm I guess there are things about our own laws Ashcroft doesn't think you should know. I can't believe you're still supporting these knuckleheads. "In Germany, they first came for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Catholic. Then they came for me -- and by that time there was nobody left to speak up." -Martin Niemoller In America, where (and when) will we draw the line? Will we be able to draw that line at all before its too late? A lesson of history is that most people who could have and should have resisted rising oppression at home only realized that after it was far too late. Right Jeff...sure pal... Nurse!!!!!!!!!! The Thorazine quickly! Gunner, you don't need any more Thorazine. You are numb enough already. Jeff |
"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:09:00 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Gunner wrote: On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:56:11 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Communism was paranoid right wingnut delusion inflicted on the masses. No Communist axis of evil existed except in the minds of the neocons. Sure Comrade..sure. Tell that to the Ukrainians, and the East Germans, and the Poles...etc etc. East Germany wasn't conquered by Communism. Idiot. The Harlem Globetrotters? Seventh Day Adventists? No..Ive got it..it was the MOONIES!!!!!!!! Yes thats right..the evil get of Karl Marx and an unnamed Eurasion woman. YES!!! The Berlin Wall was put up by the Moonies. The mines, the guard towers, the barbed wire..the incesant hammering of the machine guns as people tried desperately to flee the Moonies! Yes! And of course it was that evil Moonie Yosef Stalin who starved about 3 million Kulacks and Ukranians. The Symbol of the Moonies is the Hammer and Sickle, correct? And the Moonies were the brain child of a failed idology developed by Ingals and Marx, and enforced by Mad Felix and Berria and other evil Moonies. The Moonie Purges in the 30s..yes indeed! (as the sounds of the Internationale swell in the background, while columns of Moonie missile launchers and little Moonie girl children with baskets of flower peddles pass the viewing stand) Idiot. However, the Rev. Moon is great supporter of George Bush, and vice versa. This may offer some further insight into Bush's alleged Christian values his supporters are so fond of parading around for public consumption. Jeff |
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:28:20 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Nicholas Heyward wrote: Gunner wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:26:04 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Bush will never be my President. LOL As if you had any choice in the matter... Election 2000, we will never forget. I should hope not. The next time you Leftist *******s try to steal an election, you should have someone besides the 3 Stooges in the planning department. Divided we fall. Good luck with your war plans. Maybe Gunner will stop a bullet for Bush...or is he just brave on usenet? I want to see these patriotic killer wannabees when the government starts looking for more soldiers. We should get plenty of flag waving Conservative volunteers. We'd better. We certainly won't get any chicken-**** socialists. Not that they're needed. Russ |
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:14:56 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: Gunner wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:25:33 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: heh. You're kidding right? ONE call from the Secret Service to Australia, then one call from someone in the Australian government to Thom's isp. 2 calls, probably 5 minutes. Oops. 3 calls: All communications that enter or leave the US are automaticly screened by the NSA. The guy in Australia could be proxying from South America, or Russia. And Carnivore and Echelon would still tag him. And yet it is perfectly legal for Americans to call for the death of heads of other countries. Ayup. Sucks to be a Turd Worlder doesnt it? Actually..if our government thinks the poster is a threat to the head of state in question..they will visit the poster as well. Equal opportunity interrogation. Though to be fair..who the hell is going to pay any attention to some skank living in Oz or Bum**** or wherever posting bad things on the net. They havent had a slow day in quite a while..and they pay far more attention to things on the Islamic newsgroups. Shrug But they could reach out and **** him over if they wanted to. Gunner Shrug Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:00:28 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: We will never forget. Perhaps if all the Dems and Libs went on strike for a couple weeks? Please do. It will make identifying your lot so much easier when it comes time to bring out the rope. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:22:47 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Nicholas Heyward wrote: Gunner wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:26:04 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Bush will never be my President. LOL As if you had any choice in the matter... Election 2000, we will never forget. I should hope not. The next time you Leftist *******s try to steal an election, you should have someone besides the 3 Stooges in the planning department. Divided we fall. Good luck with your war plans. Maybe Gunner will stop a bullet for Bush...or is he just brave on usenet? Me? Im just a harmless loveable fuzzball. I should note though that all the bullet holes in my hide are in the front..and the shrapnel wounds are in the back. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 02:32:06 GMT, Steve Canyon
wrote: I want to see these patriotic killer wannabees when the government starts looking for more soldiers. The USA has never had any trouble finding soldiers and I doubt that we will ever have, in spite of the existence of the girly-boy liberals. We should get plenty of flag waving Conservative volunteers. Chuckle..we do indeed. About 75% of the current military votes Republican. I really hope you Libs dont try to discount or hide the military vote this time, like you assholes did the last..a **** load of fresh from the war troopies will be doing a damdam on your ass. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:20:18 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote: Gunner wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:40:51 GMT, Nicholas Heyward wrote: Julian D. wrote: Bush is going to be rewarded by re-election for being a great President and protecting this country. Bush will never be my President. Unless you live outside of the US and its territories..snicker..he will indeed be. Your actions resemble those of the Hussein Regime. Which actions are those? Disagreeing with you? Oooooooh..terrible. But on the other hand..it was you Lefties that were perfectly happy to let the rape camps and childrens prisons continue along. You call it treason to not support your homicidal agenda. Which homicidal agenda is that? Go to work, give the client a good days work for a good days pay, come home play with the dog, **** all over you libs on the internet and then catch some sleep. oooooo...really homicidal. Comrade Gunner. Make up your mind ****wit..either Im a Nazi Fascist or a Communist..I wish you would get it straight. Snicker..you cannot even insult with any continuity. Chortle..no wonder you couldnt make it in the States and had to run to "a socialist country" as you described it. You are either a coward, or simply incompentent. Id have to say both are likely. So suck it up there old wank and learn to live with 4 MORE YEARS chortle \ Gunner Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry |
On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:23:58 GMT, "Jeffrey McCann"
wrote: Ill bet they did. And Ill further bet that they are mostly Left Liberals who are complaining. The Left is the side that defends the Constitutional rights of citizens. The Statist, authoritarian NeoCons of the Right are the problem. It is a Class D felony in NYS to possess a "large capacity" magazine or preban configuration semiauto manufactured after 9/13/1994. The relevant citations are NYS Penal Law § 265.20 (7) - (8). and the definitions in PL § 265.00 (22) - (23). There is no sunset in the NYS law. Mags with restricted markings will continue to be illegal in NYS. Also, "large capacity" mags made post-sunset will be illegal. Since there is no longer afederal requirement for such mags to be marked, it may be a potential problem for New Yorkers to distinguish legal pre-ban "large capacity" mags from illegal post-sunset "large capacity" mags. Possession is a felony, as noted above, and there is no requirement in the law that one have possession "knowingly" to be guilty. In other words, if you purchase a "large capacity" mag or pre-ban configuration semi-auto thinking it was made pre-ban, but it was in reality made post-sunset, you are guilty of a felony even if you actually believed it to be preban." Sure Jeff..theres a bit of legislation from the Left that protects your rights.... I wonder how many poor *******s are going to get nailed in the stings to come? Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
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