Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:07:05 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

If you consider mayhem and assault, vandalism and violence to be
proper expressions of Dissent, then pray to whatever you hold holy
that the Right never takes your lead. We are the ones heavily armed,
military trained in killing people and breaking things. You will pray
for rocks if the Right ever uses your style of dissent.

Gunner


Yeah, the "right" sticks to blowing up federal office buildings,
abortion clinics, and invading the wrong countries...for now.

Cites? Or are you going to give me some cites about individuals?

Virtually all the terrorist attacks of significance in recent years have
been the work of conservative, right-wing assholes and the groups to
which they belong...Osama, McVeigh, Cheney, et al.


Want me to post some cites about individuals on the Left? I can you
know...quite a number.

I don't give a crap what you post, dickwiper. You're now in my bozo
bin, along with the other mental defectives.

Gunner, eh? Did your mama name you after the dog?


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And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to!

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:05:45 GMT, Jim wrote:

Consider the guilt of the protestors who forced the Guard to fire.
They were the ones who set up the situation that lead to the deaths of
innocents. It is totally and incontrovertibly the fault of the
protestors, and I hope they carry the guilt to their graves.

BULL****! No order to fire was given. The guard panicked.
(Admittedly they were poorly trained, and had no business
on campus)

Of course no order to fire was given. And as Ive previously noted..if
Im attacked by a mob, Im not going to wait for a fire order.

As to having no business on campus..when an area is under riot
conditions, that is exactly what the Guard is for.

Furthermore..visa vis your unsolicited emails..you have been blocked.

I further suggest that in your emails, where you claim that they were
fatigued from days of responding to other riots..yes, it likely
contributed to the general feeling of fear for their lives.

For which the participants in the other riots also share the blame.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:45:38 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Johnny Bravo wrote:
Teresa Heinz Kerry has recently been photographed picking her ass hair and
nose hair at the same time!!

I wonder if Johnny butt****s her?



Another dumb as dirt Bush dick sucker, eh? Betcha your manhood is tied
up in your pistolas.

Another dumb as dirt Kerry lefty who equates firearms with manhood.

Btw..you have a problem with gays and their sexual practices? What
ever happened to Tolerance and Diversity.

In fact..thats actually hate speech for you to use that as some sort
of insult. But then..we all know its ok for the Left to use hate
speech. Just as long as no one else does.

Homophobe.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:49:53 GMT, Jim wrote:



The Kent State shootings basically took the fun out of the
protest movement. Had the military been used earlier, much of
the anti war movement would have never happened. Protests were
being treated as a party. The shooting made folks wake up.

And that is not terrorism. It was a lawful use of force.

Lawful my ass! -- no order to shoot was given, several of
those killed were not part of the demenstration, merely
walking to class and hit by "errant" bullets


Send button stuck? You were wrong in all three posts btw.

OK follows a long cut and paste resulting from a google
search "Kent State 1970" Suggest you read it in detail

http://www.spectacle.org/595/kent.html



Hell sonny boy..I was there. As a interested bystander less than 5
days after the riots ended.
I was also at the 1968 Democratic Convention. You were where exactly?

snip long blog from leftist apologist.


Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:19:43 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:50:07 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote:

Tom S wrote:

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 07:17:53 -0500, Icon O'Clast wrote:

Terrorist Attack at Ohio School -- 13 shot, 4 dead
Kent State, May 4, 1970. Lessons from History News(c) 2004

You are an asshole. Posting this on 9/11. Go **** yourself you slimey
piece
of ****!


We will never forget.


Good thing too. Never forget that charging a group of scared, heavily
armed people with mayhem on your mind may lead to your death.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

It was a case of poorly trained for the job guardsmen. According to you any
time the police arrive at a riot and there are things being tossed, they
should start shooting?
Bill

Your reading comprehension issues are noted. And laughed at.
You didnt get a passing grade in Logic, 101 did you?

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:49:53 GMT, Jim wrote:



The Kent State shootings basically took the fun out of the
protest movement. Had the military been used earlier, much of
the anti war movement would have never happened. Protests were
being treated as a party. The shooting made folks wake up.

And that is not terrorism. It was a lawful use of force.

Lawful my ass! -- no order to shoot was given, several of
those killed were not part of the demenstration, merely
walking to class and hit by "errant" bullets


Send button stuck? You were wrong in all three posts btw.

OK follows a long cut and paste resulting from a google
search "Kent State 1970" Suggest you read it in detail

http://www.spectacle.org/595/kent.html




Hell sonny boy..I was there. As a interested bystander less than 5
days after the riots ended.
I was also at the 1968 Democratic Convention. You were where exactly?

I was at work -- my 2nd son was born May 8, and 5 weeks
later I drove by the campus. After day 2 what was there to
see? Also as to the 68 convention, I just happened to work
with people who worked the press service. I worked the 76
Republican convention myself and take credit for the slogan
"Ford puts us on the Dole". It didn't take, but the press
people got a yuck out of it.

I was conservative like you until Kent state, then my eyes
were opened to the corruption of Nixon and Kissinger. Nixon
was finally caught -- I'm still waiting for Kissinger to be
called to answer for "Crimes against humanity"

"Tom S" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 07:17:53 -0500, Icon O'Clast wrote:

Terrorist Attack at Ohio School -- 13 shot, 4 dead
Kent State, May 4, 1970. Lessons from History News(c) 2004

You are an asshole. Posting this on 9/11. Go **** yourself you slimey
piece
of ****!

Does the fact that it is 9/11 excuse you for acting like a moron who has a
vocabulary that would put the devil to shame.

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:19:43 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:50:07 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote:

Tom S wrote:

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 07:17:53 -0500, Icon O'Clast wrote:

Terrorist Attack at Ohio School -- 13 shot, 4 dead
Kent State, May 4, 1970. Lessons from History News(c) 2004

You are an asshole. Posting this on 9/11. Go **** yourself you
slimey
piece
of ****!


We will never forget.


Good thing too. Never forget that charging a group of scared, heavily
armed people with mayhem on your mind may lead to your death.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

It was a case of poorly trained for the job guardsmen. According to you
any
time the police arrive at a riot and there are things being tossed, they
should start shooting?
Bill

Your reading comprehension issues are noted. And laughed at.
You didnt get a passing grade in Logic, 101 did you?

Gunner


Seems you have no reading comprehension or any logic background what so
ever. So, I ask again, the cops should shoot when ever things are thrown at
them?

Calif Bill wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:19:43 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:50:07 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote:


Tom S wrote:

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 07:17:53 -0500, Icon O'Clast wrote:


Terrorist Attack at Ohio School -- 13 shot, 4 dead
Kent State, May 4, 1970. Lessons from History News(c) 2004


You are an asshole. Posting this on 9/11. Go **** yourself you

slimey

piece

of ****!


We will never forget.


Good thing too. Never forget that charging a group of scared, heavily
armed people with mayhem on your mind may lead to your death.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

It was a case of poorly trained for the job guardsmen. According to you

any

time the police arrive at a riot and there are things being tossed, they
should start shooting?
Bill


Your reading comprehension issues are noted. And laughed at.
You didnt get a passing grade in Logic, 101 did you?

Gunner



Seems you have no reading comprehension or any logic background what so
ever. So, I ask again, the cops should shoot when ever things are thrown at
them?

I believe the criteria is to answer lethal violence with
lethal violence. Throwing a papered is not lethal. From
what I read, the students were EARLIER throwing tear gas
canisters back at the guard, along with a few rocks. rocks
are not lethal to helmeted guardsmen.

When the shooting started the guard was something like 600
ft from the students. How many people do you know who can
toss a rock that far?

JohnH wrote:

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:30:22 GMT, Jim wrote:



Gunner wrote:

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:49:53 GMT, Jim wrote:



The Kent State shootings basically took the fun out of the
protest movement. Had the military been used earlier, much of
the anti war movement would have never happened. Protests were
being treated as a party. The shooting made folks wake up.

And that is not terrorism. It was a lawful use of force.

Lawful my ass! -- no order to shoot was given, several of
those killed were not part of the demenstration, merely
walking to class and hit by "errant" bullets


Send button stuck? You were wrong in all three posts btw.

OK follows a long cut and paste resulting from a google
search "Kent State 1970" Suggest you read it in detail

http://www.spectacle.org/595/kent.html




Hell sonny boy..I was there. As a interested bystander less than 5
days after the riots ended.
I was also at the 1968 Democratic Convention. You were where exactly?

I was at work -- my 2nd son was born May 8, and 5 weeks
later I drove by the campus. After day 2 what was there to
see? Also as to the 68 convention, I just happened to work
with people who worked the press service. I worked the 76
Republican convention myself and take credit for the slogan
"Ford puts us on the Dole". It didn't take, but the press
people got a yuck out of it.

I was conservative like you until Kent state, then my eyes
were opened to the corruption of Nixon and Kissinger. Nixon
was finally caught -- I'm still waiting for Kissinger to be
called to answer for "Crimes against humanity"


You too. Are you doing this group any good with your cross-posts? I can see
Harry doing it for the fame. Do you need more fame also?

Is this necessary?

Nope -- just responding -- dunno who invited the other
groups, wonder what their reactions are? Maybe I'll jump
over and take a look.

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.survivalism,rec.boats

Are you into rush-limbaugh now?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Icon O'Clast wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:39:25 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

We will never forget.


Good thing too. Never forget that charging a group of scared, heavily
armed people with mayhem on your mind may lead to your death.

Why are you such an apologist for bushCo and other fascist government
actions?

Because he's a gun nutsy.



--
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to!

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:46:49 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:


Respect for the police does not allow them to break the laws. Where were
you when the were teaching about the Constitution of the USA? Some cop
says he wants to seach my home, boat, etc. without a warrant, and I am not
caught in the act of committing a felony, I will tell the cop he can go
pound sand! Was one of the reason the American Revolution was fought.

Just make sure you give your name if he asks.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0622/p01s01-usju.html

In article ,
says...

I despise malcontent protesters.

Well then, you're probably not the best person to consider the
consequences of such action, are you?

jps

jps wrote:
In article ,
says...

I despise malcontent protesters.

Well then, you're probably not the best person to consider the
consequences of such action, are you?

jps


Too bad we don't know where Jules lives...any decent city and I could
arrange to have 50 or so "malcontent protestors" march outside his house
or workplace for a few hours. It would be fun to watch him burst a blood
vessel.

--
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to!

In article , Jim
wrote:

Lawful my ass! -- no order to shoot was given, several of
those killed were not part of the demenstration, merely
walking to class and hit by "errant" bullets

It's lawful anytime the law (gov t) does it. It's unlawful anytime you
protest the law. Scumbags (taxpayers) are not entitled to the bill of
rights ;)

--
Free men own guns, slaves don't
www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/

Nick Hull wrote:
In article , Jim
wrote:

Lawful my ass! -- no order to shoot was given, several of
those killed were not part of the demenstration, merely
walking to class and hit by "errant" bullets

It's lawful anytime the law (gov t) does it. It's unlawful anytime you
protest the law. Scumbags (taxpayers) are not entitled to the bill of
rights ;)


It's just another example, albeit historial, of the wonderful face of
democracy we offer the world when the fascist Republicans are in office.

--
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to!

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:07:05 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

If you consider mayhem and assault, vandalism and violence to be
proper expressions of Dissent, then pray to whatever you hold holy
that the Right never takes your lead. We are the ones heavily armed,
military trained in killing people and breaking things. You will pray
for rocks if the Right ever uses your style of dissent.

Gunner


Yeah, the "right" sticks to blowing up federal office buildings,
abortion clinics, and invading the wrong countries...for now.

Cites? Or are you going to give me some cites about individuals?

Virtually all the terrorist attacks of significance in recent years have
been the work of conservative, right-wing assholes and the groups to
which they belong...Osama, McVeigh, Cheney, et al.

Our nation is the product of terrorism. The American Revolution was spawned
by a long history of terrorist action, as well as civil disobedience, media
manipulation, general rabble rousing, and the whole panoply of tools long
used by the less powerful against their oppressors. Forthermore, we
reintroduced the concept of terrorizing civilians in warfare, during the War
of Northern Agression, when Gen. Sherman and Co. perfected it to a high art.
The Indian wars were full of terrorist acts by both sides. One man's
terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Jeff

"Gunner" wrote in message

Icon O'Clast wrote:
Terrorist Attack at Ohio School -- 13 shot, 4 dead
Kent State, May 4, 1970. Lessons from History News(c) 2004

However..violent actions while dissenting is unlawful

Thus the statement that the National Guard was, in this instance at least,
a terrorist vehicle, if not organization.

Dan

"Gunner" wrote

If you consider mayhem and assault, vandalism and violence to be
proper expressions of Dissent, then pray to whatever you hold holy
that the Right never takes your lead. We are the ones heavily armed,
military trained in killing people and breaking things. You will pray
for rocks if the Right ever uses your style of dissent.

Methinks you have it backward. The Neocon style of "dissent" (i.e.,
antidemocracy) is EXACTLY mayhem, assault, vandalism, violence,
and breaking things. The fact that, as of yet, only a few have taken out
their guns is fortunate for them, for they are cowards and easily frightened
and intimidated. If they ever took to actually following through with
their idiotic private fantasies, they would be rounded up en masse and
treated as they would treat others in their fantasy world. Control of
the media will only continue so long.

Runner, you are a coward and a fool. Keep talking, and prove it again
and again.

Dan

"Gunner" wrote

Consider the guilt of the protestors who forced the Guard to fire.

Consider someone who researched the incident extensively in the early 70s.

There was NO guilty behavior of any kind on the part of the protestors.
The Guard were ordered out by idiots. The poor dumb kids with the
rifles were pretty much as victimized as their targets.

Dan

Ever notice how when you try to talk to a liberal about politics they always
get mad and throw personal attacks? I'm sure Harry has a lot of people in
his "bozo bin". Harry, I disagree with you and your politics, but I would
never belittle you, because you are another human being.

Bill

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:07:05 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

If you consider mayhem and assault, vandalism and violence to be
proper expressions of Dissent, then pray to whatever you hold holy
that the Right never takes your lead. We are the ones heavily armed,
military trained in killing people and breaking things. You will pray
for rocks if the Right ever uses your style of dissent.

Gunner


Yeah, the "right" sticks to blowing up federal office buildings,
abortion clinics, and invading the wrong countries...for now.

Cites? Or are you going to give me some cites about individuals?

Virtually all the terrorist attacks of significance in recent years have
been the work of conservative, right-wing assholes and the groups to
which they belong...Osama, McVeigh, Cheney, et al.


Want me to post some cites about individuals on the Left? I can you
know...quite a number.

I don't give a crap what you post, dickwiper. You're now in my bozo
bin, along with the other mental defectives.

Gunner, eh? Did your mama name you after the dog?


--
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to!

"Gunner" wrote

Of course no order to fire was given. And as Ive previously noted..if
Im attacked by a mob, Im not going to wait for a fire order.

Were they attacked by a mob, they would have been justified in
firing.

As to having no business on campus..when an area is under riot
conditions, that is exactly what the Guard is for.

There were no riot conditions, so the Guard should not
have been ordered onto campus. Simple.

But, of course, to Neocons, any peaceful protest is a "riot."
I guess that comes from being ignorant cowards.

Dan

Dan wrote:
"Gunner" wrote

Of course no order to fire was given. And as Ive previously noted..if
Im attacked by a mob, Im not going to wait for a fire order.

Were they attacked by a mob, they would have been justified in
firing.

As to having no business on campus..when an area is under riot
conditions, that is exactly what the Guard is for.

There were no riot conditions, so the Guard should not
have been ordered onto campus. Simple.

But, of course, to Neocons, any peaceful protest is a "riot."
I guess that comes from being ignorant cowards.

Dan


The national guard attack on the students in Ohio clearly shows what
happens when idiots are allowed to have guns.

--
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to!

Icon O'Clast spouts:

-And why not on September 11? Is it not a good day to remember terrorists
and their victims?
Terrorism: Any act of violence that you do not happen to agree with.-

Bilge- It never occurred to you that there are millions of Americans holding
their breaths today and waiting for Pig-****er Bin-Laden to drop his "other
sandal"?

Millions of people, not just here in America, but around the world are praying
that this accursed day passes uneventfully.

And you, clever boy, dredge up a 34 year old issue and post it like its' fresh
news...

Just to get some attention for your inane arguments?

I don't give two tiny ****s for the Kent State dead...today...I give even less
for whatever half-witted point you might be trying to make, funny guy.

You are a selfish asshole of the first water.

Why are you still here bleating your bull****? ...you were told at least
twice, with several seconding opinions, to go **** yourself:


NOW TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTER, GET OFF YOUR ASS, AND GO **** YOURSELF LIKE YOU
WERE INSTRUCTED TO DO!

GO **** YOURSELF


Mutiny is a Management Tool
Select Your Tattoo while Sober

On 12 Sep 2004 02:25:15 GMT, (Bilgeman) wrote:

Millions of people, not just here in America, but around the world are praying
that this accursed day passes uneventfully.

Then vote bush out of office. He is creating more terrorists on a
daily basis.

Open your eyes and mind.

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:51:01 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:07:05 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

If you consider mayhem and assault, vandalism and violence to be
proper expressions of Dissent, then pray to whatever you hold holy
that the Right never takes your lead. We are the ones heavily armed,
military trained in killing people and breaking things. You will pray
for rocks if the Right ever uses your style of dissent.

Gunner


Yeah, the "right" sticks to blowing up federal office buildings,
abortion clinics, and invading the wrong countries...for now.

Cites? Or are you going to give me some cites about individuals?

Virtually all the terrorist attacks of significance in recent years have
been the work of conservative, right-wing assholes and the groups to
which they belong...Osama, McVeigh, Cheney, et al.

Osama and Co. is a Religious Fundimentalist. Not a right winger.
McVeigh was a stooge for the left wing Clinton Administration. Cheney
did what exactly?


Want me to post some cites about individuals on the Left? I can you
know...quite a number.

I don't give a crap what you post, dickwiper. You're now in my bozo
bin, along with the other mental defectives.

Yawn.

Gunner, eh? Did your mama name you after the dog?

No..after Gunner Asch.

Gunner Asch

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:08:06 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dan wrote:
"Gunner" wrote

Of course no order to fire was given. And as Ive previously noted..if
Im attacked by a mob, Im not going to wait for a fire order.

Were they attacked by a mob, they would have been justified in
firing.

As to having no business on campus..when an area is under riot
conditions, that is exactly what the Guard is for.

There were no riot conditions, so the Guard should not
have been ordered onto campus. Simple.

But, of course, to Neocons, any peaceful protest is a "riot."
I guess that comes from being ignorant cowards.

Dan


The national guard attack on the students in Ohio clearly shows what
happens when idiots are allowed to have guns.

No..the student attack on the national guard in in Ohio clearly shows
what happens when idiots attack armed men.

Shug.

Checkmate

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:30:22 GMT, Jim wrote:



Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:49:53 GMT, Jim wrote:



The Kent State shootings basically took the fun out of the
protest movement. Had the military been used earlier, much of
the anti war movement would have never happened. Protests were
being treated as a party. The shooting made folks wake up.

And that is not terrorism. It was a lawful use of force.

Lawful my ass! -- no order to shoot was given, several of
those killed were not part of the demenstration, merely
walking to class and hit by "errant" bullets


Send button stuck? You were wrong in all three posts btw.

OK follows a long cut and paste resulting from a google
search "Kent State 1970" Suggest you read it in detail

http://www.spectacle.org/595/kent.html




Hell sonny boy..I was there. As a interested bystander less than 5
days after the riots ended.
I was also at the 1968 Democratic Convention. You were where exactly?

I was at work -- my 2nd son was born May 8, and 5 weeks
later I drove by the campus. After day 2 what was there to
see? Also as to the 68 convention, I just happened to work
with people who worked the press service. I worked the 76
Republican convention myself and take credit for the slogan
"Ford puts us on the Dole". It didn't take, but the press
people got a yuck out of it.

I was conservative like you until Kent state, then my eyes
were opened to the corruption of Nixon and Kissinger. Nixon
was finally caught -- I'm still waiting for Kissinger to be
called to answer for "Crimes against humanity"


Good for you.

Im still waiting for LBJ to be tried in Absentia for Crimes against
Humanity. Along with Bill Clinton.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:29:38 -0400, Nick Hull
wrote:

In article , Jim
wrote:

Lawful my ass! -- no order to shoot was given, several of
those killed were not part of the demenstration, merely
walking to class and hit by "errant" bullets

It's lawful anytime the law (gov t) does it. It's unlawful anytime you
protest the law. Scumbags (taxpayers) are not entitled to the bill of
rights ;)


Not so. It may well be unlawful either way. And often the only clear
winner is those who write the history books.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:33:18 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


It's lawful anytime the law (gov t) does it. It's unlawful anytime you
protest the law. Scumbags (taxpayers) are not entitled to the bill of
rights ;)


It's just another example, albeit historial, of the wonderful face of
democracy we offer the world when the fascist Republicans are in office.

I must say that its a wonderful change from the face of democracy we
offer the world when the fascist Democrats are in office.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:41:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:19:43 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:50:07 GMT, Nicholas Heyward
wrote:

Tom S wrote:

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 07:17:53 -0500, Icon O'Clast wrote:

Terrorist Attack at Ohio School -- 13 shot, 4 dead
Kent State, May 4, 1970. Lessons from History News(c) 2004

You are an asshole. Posting this on 9/11. Go **** yourself you
slimey
piece
of ****!


We will never forget.


Good thing too. Never forget that charging a group of scared, heavily
armed people with mayhem on your mind may lead to your death.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

It was a case of poorly trained for the job guardsmen. According to you
any
time the police arrive at a riot and there are things being tossed, they
should start shooting?
Bill

Your reading comprehension issues are noted. And laughed at.
You didnt get a passing grade in Logic, 101 did you?

Gunner


Seems you have no reading comprehension or any logic background what so
ever. So, I ask again, the cops should shoot when ever things are thrown at
them?

Of course not. Its on a case by case basis. If the crowd was hurling
deadly ping pong balls at them, Id say no. If the crowd was hurling
molotov cocktails, or rocks or bottles at them, Id have to say yes.

So remember boys and girls..if you dont want to die..dont hurl deadly
objects at the men with guns. If you really want to hurt them, get
your own guns and have a pitched battle.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:47:48 GMT, Jim wrote:


Seems you have no reading comprehension or any logic background what so
ever. So, I ask again, the cops should shoot when ever things are thrown at
them?

I believe the criteria is to answer lethal violence with
lethal violence. Throwing a papered is not lethal. From
what I read, the students were EARLIER throwing tear gas
canisters back at the guard, along with a few rocks. rocks
are not lethal to helmeted guardsmen.

Yes, rocks are lethal to helmeted guardsmen. Clobber some guy mid
sturnum and lets ask the coroner what killed him, shall we?

When the shooting started the guard was something like 600
ft from the students. How many people do you know who can
toss a rock that far?


Sigh..first one of you clods claims it was 60 feet, another 600,
another 6 feet. Wont any of you bozos actually do the research and get
back to us with a firm answer?

Hint smuck...600 feet is 200 yrds...do your research better , ok?

Gunner


"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:05:09 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

jps wrote:
In article ,
says...

I despise malcontent protesters.

Well then, you're probably not the best person to consider the
consequences of such action, are you?

jps


Too bad we don't know where Jules lives...any decent city and I could
arrange to have 50 or so "malcontent protestors" march outside his house
or workplace for a few hours. It would be fun to watch him burst a blood
vessel.

Or have the same protesters throw rocks and bottles at Harry.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:41:28 -0500, Icon O'Clast wrote:

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:39:25 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

We will never forget.


Good thing too. Never forget that charging a group of scared, heavily
armed people with mayhem on your mind may lead to your death.

Why are you such an apologist for bushCo and other fascist government
actions?

Apologist? Im a realist son. And a pragmatist.

It makes me yearn for the old days, when all good survivialists
distrusted government, and even the women were men. Oh Oh, I forgot
about Anthrax Coulter...

I still distrust government. I however distrust the one you and your
ilk want to institute, far more than the one we have now.

Leftists are scum. And they kill people in megadoses.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:36:55 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Icon O'Clast wrote:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:39:25 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

We will never forget.


Good thing too. Never forget that charging a group of scared, heavily
armed people with mayhem on your mind may lead to your death.

Why are you such an apologist for bushCo and other fascist government
actions?

Because he's a gun nutsy.

Odd..hey Harry..what does that say about all the Kerry supporters who
own firearms? They are schitz?

Snicker..Harry,, crawl back under your rock.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:05:09 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

jps wrote:
In article ,
says...

I despise malcontent protesters.

Well then, you're probably not the best person to consider the
consequences of such action, are you?

jps


Too bad we don't know where Jules lives...any decent city and I could
arrange to have 50 or so "malcontent protestors" march outside his house
or workplace for a few hours. It would be fun to watch him burst a blood
vessel.


LOL Yeah, Krause is exactly the sort of guy I would expect to have
a bunch of malcontents at his beck and call. Hey Harry, why don't you
bring your troop of screw-ups, dead-beats and flunkies down here to
western Florida. We definitely know how to handle malcontents down
here.

--

"I have the right to vote against him in the next
election."

--Zepp Jamieson, 1996
http://www.google.com/groups?as_umsg....snowcrest.net



"I will throw my vote away on a 3rd party candidate."

--Zepp Jamieson,2000/02/15
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=38....snowcrest.net



"You just doubled the value of my vote."

--Zepp Jamieson, 2000/04/25
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=39....snowcrest.net



[...] if we decide elections by square miles, my vote is worth
200 Los Angeles votes.

--Zepp Jamieson, 2000-12-18
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=tb...x.com&oe=UTF-8



"Legal resident alien Zepp Jamieson, a Canadian who has lived
in the United States for more than 30 years, said his status
changed dramatically with the Patriot Act."

http://www.mtshastanews.com/archives...695-news11.txt



Legal resident aliens aren't allowed to vote, Jamieson.
Why were you pretending to be a citizen?

"Julian D." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:52:12 -0700, jps wrote:

In article ,
says...

I despise malcontent protesters.

Well then, you're probably not the best person to consider the
consequences of such action, are you?

jps


I'm wise enough to avoid doing anything that would get my skull
crushed by a police baton.

It takes real guts to confront the cops in a peaceful protest. It wasn't so
long ago that swinging batons, firehoses, tear gas, and attack dogs were the
all too common approach to dissent. Very recently, we saw official
intimidation and unlawful detentions used against protester in NYC.
Standing up to be counted is a dangerous undertaking, even in our supposedly
enlightened era. But sometimes it just has to be done, and that means
somebody has to find the guts to do it.

Jeff

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:46:49 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:


Respect for the police does not allow them to break the laws. Where
were
you when the were teaching about the Constitution of the USA? Some cop
says he wants to seach my home, boat, etc. without a warrant, and I am
not
caught in the act of committing a felony, I will tell the cop he can go
pound sand! Was one of the reason the American Revolution was fought.

Just make sure you give your name if he asks.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0622/p01s01-usju.html

And that is all I have to answer. And I could probably ask for an attorney
before saying my name.

"Gunner" wrote

Still longing for the days of the USSR?

Perhaps he is just tired of the US&A being run by dickwads...

Dan

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:45:38 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Another dumb as dirt Bush dick sucker, eh? Betcha your manhood is tied
up in your pistolas.

Another dumb as dirt Kerry lefty who equates firearms with manhood.

Another dumb as dirt Neocon unable to even read...

Dan