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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Kanter wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message ... Dave, do you ALSO think that the Swiss are innocent of all wrongdoing from WWII? Court documents aren't good enough for you? :-) I withhold any comment on the Swiss situation until I see more information. I was merely commenting on Harry's typical modus operandi, of making assumptions of someone simply because they hold a different political ideology, and then demonizing them based on his conjectures. Dave Well, the court proceedings took place throughout the 1990s. Plenty of information out there. If the court documents are too dense to wade through, as they usually are, search at one of the major newspapers. Judging from what I see, there is enough of a smoking gun, as to cast suspicion if nothing else. How this all relates to how the Swiss finance their economy, is open to wide speculation, and somewhat pointless for those of us who live in the U.S.. Dave |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Dave Hall wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "Jonathan Ball" wrote in message hlink.net... Lone Haranguer wrote: Jonathan Ball wrote: jps wrote: Bull****, they collect tolls off of blood money. Prove it. http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.27H.swiss.pay.htm A an extremist radical propaganda site. It's crap from beginning to end. I'm not sure what you're having trouble believing, but perhaps things like this will snap you out of whatever trance you're in: http://www.nyed.uscourts.gov/IRURF.pdf Methinks Jonathan is a college freshman with a rich daddy. What "you think" is irrelevant. Ah, but what I think-and do-is far more relevant than what you think or do, and for reasons I won't get into in a newsgroup. Again, your opinion. You have no facts to substantiate that claim. The fact that you lace your bias with conceit, born from a nasty case of narcissism, is also telling. You're just right-wing trash, and in the course of human events, you and those who think and feel like you will end up on the discard pile. You're just left-wing trash, and in the course of human events, you and those who think and feel like you will end up on the discard pile. See how the game works yet? Dave |
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Jonathan Ball wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: Dave Hall wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "Jonathan Ball" wrote in message . earthlink.net... Lone Haranguer wrote: Jonathan Ball wrote: jps wrote: Bull****, they collect tolls off of blood money. Prove it. http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.27H.swiss.pay.htm A an extremist radical propaganda site. It's crap from beginning to end. I'm not sure what you're having trouble believing, but perhaps things like this will snap you out of whatever trance you're in: http://www.nyed.uscourts.gov/IRURF.pdf Methinks Jonathan is a college freshman with a rich daddy. What "you think" is irrelevant. Ah, but what I think-and do-is far more relevant than what you think or do, and for reasons I won't get into in a newsgroup. I doubt it. Since you are too arrogant and/or scared to tell us why you think you are, I'll just consider your claim unsupported bull****. And you would be correct. Dave |
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Fred Ziffel wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:55:55 GMT, Dave Hall wrote: Fred Ziffel wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:54:34 GMT, Jonathan Ball wrote: Fred Ziffel wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:32:56 GMT, Jonathan Ball wrote: We used to make very high quality products too. We still do. We make those things where we have some comparative advantage. Increasingly, the things we make are not tangible. That doesn't make them any less valuable. Sorry, I've been listening to these same bull**** arguments for over 20 years, No, you clearly *haven't* been listening to them. You very clearly don't understand comparative advantage, and patterns of trade. You are economically illiterate. No, I'm not "economically illiterate," I just don't have my head up my ass, like you do. You are obviously a brainwashed fool who would deliberately destroy America with your idiotic theories about economics, theories that have absolutely no basis in reality. I'll leave you now so you can worship at the altar of "comparative advantage." But you might want to give the collum below a read when you are done saying your prayers to the gods of free trade. It may be enlightening. Fred Ziffel ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.unsustainable.org/view_art_un.asp?AID=291 Once again, another leftist is attempting to scare people by citing statistics and drawing an unrelated conclusion from it. And as true to form as ever, the author is quick to lay out the blame (and thereby exposing their not-so-hidden agenda), but offers not one bit of advice on how to "fix" it. "Another leftist?" "Unrelated conclusions?" "not-so-hidden agenda?" Care to be more specific? Perhaps you are exposing your own not-so-hidden agenda by being penultimately vague. Perhaps my "vagueness" is simply your inabilty to comprehend. One of the biggest reasons for a trade deficit are differences in economic standings. Bull****! Our industrial base has been largely closed down, exported, and sold off. And why do you think that is? We have been put at a disadvantage in our own market. By other country's economies which aren't as bloated as ours. It has nothing to do with "economic standing." It has EVRYTHING to do with it. The only reason we continue to get away with this insane situation is because the dollar is the worlds reserve currency (temporarily), and the financial fascists that run America can continue to inflate the money supply and give us the illusion of prosperity. You fail to consider that the economy is a roller coaster of ebbs and flows. The economy cannpt remain low, as the decline eventually spurs growth when the costs come down sufficiently again. And the cycle repeats. The US economy is recovering faster than much of the rest of the world. As such the U.S. dollar is failry strong. As long as the dollar remains strong there will be more imported goods than exports, simply because our money can buy more goods, while selling less compared to the currency in other countries. Everyone cries when the dollar devaluates, but that's exactly what needs to happen in order to equalize the trade situation. There are other factors to consider as well, but the last thing we need to do, is get the government involved with trying to regulate free trade. There are so many facets to the economy, that you might think that a ceratin "control" (such as a tariff) would have a short term goal of bolstering domestic production. But it could have damaging repercussions in other areas. What can be more damaging than to sacrifice a nations productive capacity, and the ownership of the entire nation, to the false gods of free trade. Forcing socialist governmental controls on it. Even Warren Buffet seems to agree with this author. Is he just "another leftist" drawing "unrelated conclusions" to promote his "not-so-hidden agenda?" Buffet has a known left leaning ideology. And what is Warren Buffet's solution you ask? ------------------------------ "The time to halt this trading of assets for consumables is now, and I have a plan to suggest for getting it done. My remedy may sound gimmicky, and in truth it is a tariff called by another name. But this is a tariff that retains most free-market virtues, neither protecting specific industries nor punishing specific countries nor encouraging trade wars. This plan would increase our exports and might well lead to increased overall world trade. And it would balance our books without there being a significant decline in the value of the dollar, which I believe is otherwise almost certain to occur. We would achieve this balance by issuing what I will call Import Certificates (ICs) to all U.S. exporters in an amount equal to the dollar value of their exports. Each exporter would, in turn, sell the ICs to parties -- either exporters abroad or importers here -- wanting to get goods into the U.S. To import $1 million of goods, for example, an importer would need ICs that were the byproduct of $1 million of exports. The inevitable result: trade balance. Because our exports total about $80 billion a month, ICs would be issued in huge, equivalent quantities -- that is, 80 billion certificates a month -- and would surely trade in an exceptionally liquid market. Competition would then determine who among those parties wanting to sell to us would buy the certificates and how much they would pay. (I visualize that the certificates would be issued with a short life, possibly of six months, so that speculators would be discouraged from accumulating them.)" ------------------------------------- So, it seems that the second wealthiest man in the world believes that it is time for the US to implement TARIFFS to solve the trade deficit problem. So what? The first richest man in the world has convinced the majority of people that the blue screen of death is "normal". Tariffs are fine if you can convince your trade partners to agree to them. Have you been monitoring the steel tariff situation? We can impose anything we want. But other countries can counter as well. So, who should we believe. On one hand, we have Eamonn Fingleton: Internationally respected author, former editor of the Financial Times and Forbes, who's commentaries appear in many major American publications. And seemingly standing shoulder to shoulder with him is Warren Buffet, internationally known and respected investor and the second wealthiest man in the world. On the other hand, we have usenet posters like Dave Hall, Jonathan Ball, and many others, who stubbornly cling to their failed globalist, internationalits, and free trade theolegy like a drowning man clings to a sinking life boat. We have history to guide us. The economy has ebbed and flowed many times over the years. This is no exception. The great depression followed a period of robust growth. This is again no different. What IS different is that, like it or not, we are now a global economy. We can either futilely fight this trend, or we can adjust to it, and work it to our advantage. But trying to bully the rest of the world, isn't going to help us in the long run. Dave |
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Interesting reference to our new "Wal Mart Economy" in this item:
Article written by Rick Bender, Nov. 2003. Two years after the official end of the recession, and the beginning of the so-called recovery, the economic fault lines in our state continue to shake. On a national “Richter Scale� report of economic indicators, Washington state measures 4.4, joining 29 other states with scores of 4 or more on the scale. The indicators include fundamental benchmarks on unemployment, poverty, health care coverage, personal bankruptcies and household income. Unemployment in our state has grown 2.1 percent since January 2001, when the rate was 5.5 percent. Finding new jobs is tough for Washington’s unemployed workers. In September, close to 40 percent of those who had exhausted their benefits, had not found work by the time their unemployment checks ran out. Staggering job losses, particularly in Washington’s manufacturing and information sectors, created our high unemployment rate. We’ve lost 69,800 jobs between January 2001 and September 2003. What is so worrisome about this loss is that these were high-quality, family-wage jobs with decent health benefits. The new jobs being created in our “Wal-Mart� economy are low-wage, dead-end jobs with no decent benefits. All jobs are NOT created equal! Other worrisome economic indicators measured on this “Richter Scale� shows health care coverage becoming a big problem, with the share of uninsured Washingtonians increasing by 100,000 residents in the last couple of years. Another measure is the poverty rate which is creeping upwards, along with the rate of personal bankruptcies. It is no coincidence that the single biggest cause for personal bankruptcy is not reckless consumer purchasing, but expensive medical bills. It is cold comfort to know that Washington isn’t alone with these problems. In fact, the states with the highest “Richter Scale� scores are North Carolina and Mississippi. This dismal outcome shows the folly of pursuing a low-wage, low-standards and low-road approach. Indeed what is striking across the entire country is the pain in the falling standard of living for all of working America. Median household income actually declined in 38 states between 2000 and 2002. Washington was one of only 13 states to see a tiny increase in household income, up a grand total of $388. And we may soon see that small advantage disappear. There’s trouble ahead. In January, new unemployment insurance rules will force a cut in jobless benefits. Unemployed workers who didn’t work the exact same number of hours every week may get benefit cuts of up to $200 a week. The new “four-quarter averaging� formula for calculating benefits which was backed by the business lobby in Olympia, will create a further erosion of the living standards for the most vulnerable Washington workers -- those who are trying to find a job in this lousy economy. Our top priority should be improving our economy by putting people back to work. Claims of recovery based on stock market tickers and fancy economic statistics don’t tell the true story of what’s happening in our state and national economy. Cheerleading about the economy won’t do the trick. Job cuts in October this year reached their highest level in the past 12 months, with businesses announcing 171,874 few workers working, a 125% increase from the September cut of 76,506 jobs. To create a real economic recovery, we need to get people working in decent family wage jobs with decent health benefits. That’s the only way to achieve a return to the economic health of the 1990’s, when we had a state economy that was the envy of every other state in the nation. |
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jps, hate-filled race-baiting bigot, wrote:
In article k.net, says... Actually, idiot, I've spent a bit of time there myself. Unlike you, however, I had my eyes opened to their history and place in the world. Cut the ****. You were on a package tour. You saw the covered bridge in Luzern and falsely concluded you "know" Swiss history. You don't know anything. I have friends who live in a 400 year old house heated by a yurt No. A yurt is not a heating apparatus. outside of Beatenberg, opposite Interlochen. He's a scientist who lives and works where he pleases. Good for him. You have no adult friends there. False. I have half a dozen adult friends there. You were an exchange student living in luxury in the Zurich or Geneva? Not luxury. It was a comfortable middle class family. The father was an engineer specializing in dam construction; he worked on the Grand Dixence dam, among others. In order to head off your inevitable unfounded charge of anti-semitism, I'm quite confident no forced Jewish labor was used in the construction of the dam. I never accused Switzerland of forced labor, You'll get around to it, bigoted race-baiter. just participating in the holocaust loot that the Furer and his minions gave to the Swiss for safe keeping. No doubt that and other stolen, unclaimed property has helped float the Swiss economy over the last 60 years. Both before and after my stay with them, the family lived in Iran, where he also worked on dam construction. You, being a paranoid bigot, probably see that as evidence of anti-semitism. You are a fool in addition to being a loathsome bigot. And you're a blowhard know nothing. Nope. I am knowledgable. You'll just have to take my word for it. |
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jps wrote:
In article k.net, says... This guy is a loudmouthed fool whose references are as paper thin as whatever foreskins he's got. Ask him about Switzerland or the Employment Policy Foundation and you'll find him a font of misinformation. Answer the question, bigoted punk: are the facts about who earns minimum wage, and for how long, correct or not? Show competing conclusions, if you have any (heh heh heh). Go learn for yourself without the right wing spin... http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpswp2000.htm I read it; I answered it. It support the research conclusions I posted: as people get older, their wages go up, and in fact almost no one is trying to support a family on poverty-level wages or less. |
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