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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... In all fairness, Chuck, the cost of buying your own Blue Choice policy here (Rochester) is about $6-7k per year. Does that $7k a year policy also carry a $3000 deductible? Are you being facetious? If not, and I understand your question, co-pays are $5 for normal doctor visit, $10-$15 for specialists, and if I recall, $35 or $50 for E.R. Surgery is also under $100. I think, in this case, Chuck is working from some erroneous information. Dave |
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Fred Ziffel wrote:
On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:54:34 GMT, Jonathan Ball wrote: Fred Ziffel wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:32:56 GMT, Jonathan Ball wrote: We used to make very high quality products too. We still do. We make those things where we have some comparative advantage. Increasingly, the things we make are not tangible. That doesn't make them any less valuable. Sorry, I've been listening to these same bull**** arguments for over 20 years, No, you clearly *haven't* been listening to them. You very clearly don't understand comparative advantage, and patterns of trade. You are economically illiterate. No, I'm not "economically illiterate," I just don't have my head up my ass, like you do. You are obviously a brainwashed fool who would deliberately destroy America with your idiotic theories about economics, theories that have absolutely no basis in reality. I'll leave you now so you can worship at the altar of "comparative advantage." But you might want to give the collum below a read when you are done saying your prayers to the gods of free trade. It may be enlightening. Fred Ziffel ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.unsustainable.org/view_art_un.asp?AID=291 Once again, another leftist is attempting to scare people by citing statistics and drawing an unrelated conclusion from it. And as true to form as ever, the author is quick to lay out the blame (and thereby exposing their not-so-hidden agenda), but offers not one bit of advice on how to "fix" it. One of the biggest reasons for a trade deficit are differences in economic standings. The US economy is recovering faster than much of the rest of the world. As such the U.S. dollar is failry strong. As long as the dollar remains strong there will be more imported goods than exports, simply because our money can buy more goods, while selling less compared to the currency in other countries. Everyone cries when the dollar devaluates, but that's exactly what needs to happen in order to equalize the trade situation. There are other factors to consider as well, but the last thing we need to do, is get the government involved with trying to regulate free trade. There are so many facets to the economy, that you might think that a ceratin "control" (such as a tariff) would have a short term goal of bolstering domestic production. But it could have damaging repercussions in other areas. Nothing can illustrate this better than the current health care and insurance debacle. The more we try to "save" people by offering them more and more insurance to offset medical costs, the more incentive the healthcare industry has to raise prices. That's the legacy we have when we try to regulate or control a part of the free market. Dave |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Jonathan Ball wrote: Fred Ziffel wrote: Nothing wrong with Switzerland, but I wish it was made in the USA, like everything used to be. That's stupid thinking. Why do you really care where it's made? Borders are arbitrary. For things that are made in the U.S., do you care that they're made in your state? For things that are made in your state, do you care that they're made in your county? Stupid thinking? I care where products are made because I want Americans who need manufacturing jobs to have decent manufacturing jobs in the United States, jobs where they can turn out good products and earn a living for their families. Good manufacturing jobs help us maintain a good manufacturing economy, and keep us from being overly dependent upon other nations. You sound like a one-worlder. Would you please be kind enough to elaborate on just why this would be a bad thing? Dave |
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I think, in this case, Chuck is working from some erroneous information.
Dave I was relying on a paragraph in the Seattle Times' 3-part series about WalMart. The WSJ reports different numbers, still extremely high for a mini-wage worker. $1000 deductible, plus 20% of all actual medical costs after the deductible (up to $1750). No coverage at all for vaccinating children, eye drops, contraceptives, chiropractic care, etc. $50 penalty added to the additional premium deducted from every paycheck for spousal coverage, if that spouse has access to health insurance through any other plan. http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/992282/posts |
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
... Doug Kanter wrote: "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... In all fairness, Chuck, the cost of buying your own Blue Choice policy here (Rochester) is about $6-7k per year. Does that $7k a year policy also carry a $3000 deductible? Are you being facetious? If not, and I understand your question, co-pays are $5 for normal doctor visit, $10-$15 for specialists, and if I recall, $35 or $50 for E.R. Surgery is also under $100. I think, in this case, Chuck is working from some erroneous information. Dave Well, I'm not sure. I made a similar mistake last week in a discussion. If you look at the "cash price" that your employer pays for each employee in a group plan (before your contribution or the employer's), it's usually much lower than the price you get if call Blue Choice or whoever and say "I'm a sole proprietor. How much will same kind of plan cost me?" |
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
... What? You've got to be kidding. That would drive me nuts if I had to listen to that for hours on end.... Dave I kid you not. At first, I wondered if my 50 year old hearing had begun to lose some of its directional sensitivity. But, last time I was at WM, my 14 yr old son & two friends were with me. They focused on the sources and sure enough, it was coming from the PA system. You know the 120 decibel French fry timers at McDonalds? Lower the level a bit, but multiply by however many registers are beeping. That's nuts! What possible legitimate use could that possibly have? Somebody apparently thinks it makes the store sound "festive", like one of our malls where there are three different sets of holiday music playing in different "branches" of the walkway. If you happen to be standing where the walkways meet..... This is why a local reporter wrote last week "If there's anything that makes me want to climb a tower with a rifle, it's the excessively early arrival of holiday music". :-) |
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
... http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.27H.swiss.pay.htm A an extremist radical propaganda site. It's crap from beginning to end. I'm not sure what you're having trouble believing, but perhaps things like this will snap you out of whatever trance you're in: http://www.nyed.uscourts.gov/IRURF.pdf Methinks Jonathan is a college freshman with a rich daddy. What "you think" is irrelevant. It's clear that you think little at all and would rather just catergorize and demonize all those who disagree with you. Dave, do you ALSO think that the Swiss are innocent of all wrongdoing from WWII? Court documents aren't good enough for you? :-) |
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jps wrote:
In article k.net, says... Harry Krause wrote: Mr. Jonathan Ball should probably look into Swiss history a little more. It's pretty clear they're a mercantile lot living under the misperception of neutrality. The Jewish people are just one of many who've been stolen from and then stiff armed by Swiss banking laws. There are folks around the globe who've been screwed by creeps, thugs and the like whose ill-gotten gains are "protected" by the Swiss banking system. It's a pretty country hiding some of the ugliest secrets in the world. jps Ball probably is very young, No. $50 says I'm older and have more documentable education than you, putz. very smug, Hardly. The correct term is self confident. I am self confident, you are smug. Older, wiser people like me know the difference. Allow me to suggest your self-confidence is unearned. Allow me to tell you you don't know your ass from your face. My self confidence is fully paid for. inexperienced in the reality of the world No. and likely believes the holocaust was a myth. No. This guy is a loudmouthed fool whose references are as paper thin as whatever foreskins he's got. Ask him about Switzerland or the Employment Policy Foundation and you'll find him a font of misinformation. Answer the question, bigoted punk: are the facts about who earns minimum wage, and for how long, correct or not? Show competing conclusions, if you have any (heh heh heh). |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Jonathan Ball wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jonathan Ball wrote: Fred Ziffel wrote: Nothing wrong with Switzerland, but I wish it was made in the USA, like everything used to be. That's stupid thinking. Why do you really care where it's made? Borders are arbitrary. For things that are made in the U.S., do you care that they're made in your state? For things that are made in your state, do you care that they're made in your county? Stupid thinking? Yes: stupid thinking. I care where products are made because I want Americans who need manufacturing jobs No Americans "need" manufacturing jobs. Really? Yes: really. No Americans "need" manufacturing jobs. Well, at this point, it is obvious you are so detached from reality that nothing further you post is worth a look. Translation: you lost, and you're running away. |
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