Whoa! Snow. Well, thanks for the info. And on that topic, I started reading Nelson's
book last night. He mentioned the water temp in that area is usually in the 50s even
in mid-summer. That's something to be concerned about. I have a wet suit, so will
definitely bring it. You are north of YS a bit?

Paddlec1 wrote:

Weather here can be very nice this time of year, but right now it is snowing.
It's been snowing in the high country for three days now, so you might want to
consider (or maybe you already have) taking cold weather gear.

Dennis


--
Wayne T. Watson (The Wizard of Obz, Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now sapiens)

Blue Whale population before human hunting: 239,000. Today: 1,700.

Web Page: home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews

It's been one system after another coming through here, rain down in the
valleys, and snow up high. Predicted high here tomarrow is 53 derees, best to
be prepared for anything. You will need a decent tent, and outer clothing that
will keep the inner layers dry. Guess you likely already know that. And as Bill
mentioned, be carefull about the wind, wind related fatalities are not uncommon
up there. Just a couple years ago a ranger lost his life after capsizing,
before that it was Boy Scouts.
I don't mean to negative at all, you'll just have more fun if you know what
you're getting into.

I am north of the park, about fifty miles. The Gallatin flows north out of the
park, and I'm very near it at Bozeman.

Dennis


Whoa! Snow. Well, thanks for the info. And on that topic, I started reading
Nelson's
book last night. He mentioned the water temp in that area is usually in the
50s even
in mid-summer. That's something to be concerned about. I have a wet suit, so
will
definitely bring it. You are north of YS a bit?

Paddlec1 wrote:

Weather here can be very nice this time of year, but right now it is
snowing.
It's been snowing in the high country for three days now, so you might want
to
consider (or maybe you already have) taking cold weather gear.

Dennis

Paddlec1 wrote:

It's been one system after another coming through here, rain down in the
valleys, and snow up high. Predicted high here tomarrow is 53 derees, best to
be prepared for anything. You will need a decent tent, and outer clothing that
will keep the inner layers dry. Guess you likely already know that. And as Bill
mentioned, be carefull about the wind, wind related fatalities are not uncommon
up there. Just a couple years ago a ranger lost his life after capsizing,
before that it was Boy Scouts.
I don't mean to negative at all, you'll just have more fun if you know what
you're getting into.

I am north of the park, about fifty miles. The Gallatin flows north out of the
park, and I'm very near it at Bozeman.

Dennis


Whoa! Snow. Well, thanks for the info. And on that topic, I started reading
Nelson's
book last night. He mentioned the water temp in that area is usually in the
50s even
in mid-summer. That's something to be concerned about. I have a wet suit, so
will
definitely bring it. You are north of YS a bit?

Paddlec1 wrote:


Weather here can be very nice this time of year, but right now it is

snowing.

It's been snowing in the high country for three days now, so you might want

to

consider (or maybe you already have) taking cold weather gear.

Dennis



Thanks. I'll put some more clothes in the car. When I was in the Sawtooths at this
time last year, it was snowing at 9,000 feet. My first trip to YS was decades ago
around Labor Day with a friend. One morning we were greeted to a bucket of frozen
water. Coldddd.

One of the chapters in Nelson's book had a sobering view of paddle trips in the area.
As you mentioned, a number of people have died in the lakes. I'm going to play this
as cautiously as I can. I'll hug the shore as much as possible. I mentioned in one
response that I have an excellent video on just about every aspect of kayaking
cautions and rescue as one can hope for. One that surprised me was getting sea sick.
It's a lot more dangerous than I would have guessed. The person can really be
incapacitated. All rescues centered around having additional help. That notion will
make me probably hug the shore even more. I've never been sea sick, and I've been on
water plenty of times, but it's something to be aware of.

My son is sending me his surfing wetsuit. He surfs regularly in the Pacific off the
coast of San Francisco. I asked him how cold it gets there in the water. He said 50s.
I then asked how thick the suit was, 4mm! I thought 3mm would be sufficient for most
cold water.

I had a friend in Bozeman who recently moved to Oregon (Don Nisewanger, in case you
recognize it). I backpacked with him for a few days in YS last year. He and some of
his friends are planning to backpack there later in Sept. I had planned on joining
them, but I decided they were going too late for my plans, so switched to kayaking
and other activities (YS Institute classes). It sounds like they may find bad weather
a lot sooner than they anticipated.

Well, tomorrow I begin packing the car. I just had its 30K checkup made today.

Info on where to find the video tape is on another post with the current subject.

--
Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now sapiens)

Blue Whale population before human hunting: 239,000. Today: 1,700.

Web Page: home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews

I had a friend in Bozeman who recently moved to Oregon (Don Nisewanger, in
case you
recognize it). I backpacked with him for a few days in YS last year.

Sounds like you are somewhat familiar with the area. You probably know as much
as I do now about paddling up there, as all my paddling has been on whitewater.
The weather is predicted to improve over the weekend, but it still could be
chilly or wet at that elevation. The bears will be busy putting on fat for the
winter. If you haven't already planned for that it might be worthwhile to throw
in some rope to get your food up off the ground. Have fun, and please get back
to us with a trip report.

Dennis

(Paddlec1) typed:

[snip]

I am north of the park, about fifty miles. The Gallatin flows north out of the
park, and I'm very near it at Bozeman.

Bozeman? You moved from Missoula? What gives? Is this better or
worse for paddling? Guess you run House Rock after work, eh?


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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I am at Bozeman, about ten miles west, out near the river. Never lived in
Missoula, been here since 82. This is a good place to live except it gets a bit
on the chilly side sometimes, the mountains over the Gallatin are pretty white
right now. The skiing is excellent here (well, will be in a few months), and I
do paddle the House Rock run frequently. The Gallatin is a great river, easy
access and different paddling on different sections. Great paddling around
Missoula to though, but the skiing is better here.

Dennis


(Paddlec1) typed:

[snip]

I am north of the park, about fifty miles. The Gallatin flows north out of
the
park, and I'm very near it at Bozeman.

Bozeman? You moved from Missoula? What gives? Is this better or
worse for paddling? Guess you run House Rock after work, eh?


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
--
================================================= =====================
Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA
rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net
Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll
rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu
OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters
================================================= =====================

(Paddlec1) typed
I am at Bozeman, about ten miles west, out near the river. Never lived in
Missoula, been here since 82. This is a good place to live except it gets a bit
on the chilly side sometimes, the mountains over the Gallatin are pretty white
right now. The skiing is excellent here (well, will be in a few months), and I
do paddle the House Rock run frequently. The Gallatin is a great river, easy
access and different paddling on different sections. Great paddling around
Missoula to though, but the skiing is better here.

Dennis


(Paddlec1) typed:

[snip]

I am north of the park, about fifty miles. The Gallatin flows north out of
the
park, and I'm very near it at Bozeman.

Bozeman? You moved from Missoula? What gives? Is this better or
worse for paddling? Guess you run House Rock after work, eh?


O my; sorry. I guess was confusing you with OBDave (I think it was),
who used to read r.b.p, whom I ran into at a gas station in Missoula
in the summer of '98.

Near Bozeman Hot Springs, eh? Last time I was in that area was the
summer of 2000 with three paddling buddies from Boulder, CO. One had
gotten badly beaten up on the Kitchen Sink rapid in Bear Trap Canyon
of the Madison, and just camped at the KOA with Hot Springs
privileges. Jon & Karen and I drove up into the Beaverhead near
Gallatin Gateway for the night (cost our KOA Kamper $30; the rest of
us slept for free). Anytime I am in the Jackson area I make sure I
get up to the Gallatin.

I was supposed to be out yer way this July but the low river levels
kept me East. My friends who went anyway ran into a lot of unexpected
rainfall and were able to boat in Wyoming and Idaho after all.

Now, lessee... was it you or OBDave whom Mothra visited in Montana
last Spring? I saw her in Chattanooga a few weeks before she got to
Montana.


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rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net
Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll
rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu
OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters
================================================== ====================

O my; sorry. I guess was confusing you with OBDave (I think it was),
who used to read r.b.p, whom I ran into at a gas station in Missoula
in the summer of '98.

Near Bozeman Hot Springs, eh? Last time I was in that area was the
summer of 2000 with three paddling buddies from Boulder, CO. One had
gotten badly beaten up on the Kitchen Sink rapid in Bear Trap Canyon
of the Madison, and just camped at the KOA with Hot Springs
privileges. Jon & Karen and I drove up into the Beaverhead near
Gallatin Gateway for the night (cost our KOA Kamper $30; the rest of
us slept for free). Anytime I am in the Jackson area I make sure I
get up to the Gallatin.

I was supposed to be out yer way this July but the low river levels
kept me East. My friends who went anyway ran into a lot of unexpected
rainfall and were able to boat in Wyoming and Idaho after all.

Now, lessee... was it you or OBDave whom Mothra visited in Montana
last Spring? I saw her in Chattanooga a few weeks before she got to
Montana.


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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================================================= =====================
Richard Hopley Winston-Salem, NC, USA
rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net
Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll
rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu
OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters
================================================= =====================

Yeah, that's Dave who's in Missoula. I wish he'd get over here a little more.
He invited me to Missoula to paddle with him and the eastern rbpers a couple
years back but I'm always busy paddling here or immersed in work in the summer.


It's been a good season here. We came out of winter with very little snowpack,
and then it started dumping about the time the weather should have been getting
nice. paddled in rain and snow a lot in may and june. The runoff held up well.

It had to be Dave that Mothra visited, I've never had the pleasure of meeting
her, maybe next time she's out this way.

I live just a few miles from the Hot Springs, it's sure nice in the winter.
Next time you're out this way let me know, and stop in. I have a lot of room
for camping, and I'd go to the river with you.

Well, I'm going to try to get to the House Rock run today since the weather is
so good. Maybe get in one or two more runs before the water gets too low.

Dennis