Any suggestions for recreational paddling in YS/Teton area? Outside the parks is fine
too.

--
Wayne T. Watson (The Wizard of Obz, Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now sapiens)

Blue Whale population before human hunting: 239,000. Today: 1,700.

Web Page: home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews

Any suggestions for recreational paddling in YS/Teton area? Outside the parks
is fine
too.


What kind of paddling are you looking for...
Whitewater? Fla****er touring? I don't get down to the South side of the park
much, but I do a lot of paddling on the north side, Yellowstone River,
Gallatin, Madison, Boulder.

Dennis

Rec., that is, fla****er. I probably made a big stride towards understanding what is
there only a few hours ago. I just received my copy of Paddling Yellowstone and
Tetons by Don Wilson, Falcon Press. I posted to get a jump on any info I could pick
up. I was afraid the book wouldn't get here until late Thursday, which would have
given me about 12 hours to get acquainted with it. I'm leaving Friday for the area.
I'll be there two weeks. Nevertheless, I've already gotten some good info from a lady
in Jackson Hole, but can always use more. I will rent equipment somewhere in the
area, and will likely go it on my own, but I'm open to joining in with clubs in the area.

I just took a peek at the book. Looks like it'll be helpful.

Paddlec1 wrote:

Any suggestions for recreational paddling in YS/Teton area? Outside the parks
is fine
too.



What kind of paddling are you looking for...
Whitewater? Fla****er touring? I don't get down to the South side of the park
much, but I do a lot of paddling on the north side, Yellowstone River,
Gallatin, Madison, Boulder.

Dennis


--
Wayne T. Watson (The Wizard of Obz, Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now sapiens)

Blue Whale population before human hunting: 239,000. Today: 1,700.

Web Page: home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews

Weather here can be very nice this time of year, but right now it is snowing.
It's been snowing in the high country for three days now, so you might want to
consider (or maybe you already have) taking cold weather gear.

Dennis

Whoa! Snow. Well, thanks for the info. And on that topic, I started reading Nelson's
book last night. He mentioned the water temp in that area is usually in the 50s even
in mid-summer. That's something to be concerned about. I have a wet suit, so will
definitely bring it. You are north of YS a bit?

Paddlec1 wrote:

Weather here can be very nice this time of year, but right now it is snowing.
It's been snowing in the high country for three days now, so you might want to
consider (or maybe you already have) taking cold weather gear.

Dennis


--
Wayne T. Watson (The Wizard of Obz, Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now sapiens)

Blue Whale population before human hunting: 239,000. Today: 1,700.

Web Page: home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews

It's been one system after another coming through here, rain down in the
valleys, and snow up high. Predicted high here tomarrow is 53 derees, best to
be prepared for anything. You will need a decent tent, and outer clothing that
will keep the inner layers dry. Guess you likely already know that. And as Bill
mentioned, be carefull about the wind, wind related fatalities are not uncommon
up there. Just a couple years ago a ranger lost his life after capsizing,
before that it was Boy Scouts.
I don't mean to negative at all, you'll just have more fun if you know what
you're getting into.

I am north of the park, about fifty miles. The Gallatin flows north out of the
park, and I'm very near it at Bozeman.

Dennis


Whoa! Snow. Well, thanks for the info. And on that topic, I started reading
Nelson's
book last night. He mentioned the water temp in that area is usually in the
50s even
in mid-summer. That's something to be concerned about. I have a wet suit, so
will
definitely bring it. You are north of YS a bit?

Paddlec1 wrote:

Weather here can be very nice this time of year, but right now it is
snowing.
It's been snowing in the high country for three days now, so you might want
to
consider (or maybe you already have) taking cold weather gear.

Dennis

Hi Wayne ;
I bought this book, "Paddling Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks"
by Don Nelson, ISBN: 1560446277, very helpful. The book talks about
trips, campsites, water taxi, permits, etc. I have also taken a short
paddles on Yellowstone and Lewis lake. It was very different then in
Washington State, I guess you would expect that. What I was struck by is
how fast the wind comes up in the afternoon so you need to paddle in the
morning. You need to buy a permit to paddle in Yellowstone. When I came
out of Yellowstone the Ox Bow area looked really nice. I do not know if it
was practical.
All the Best
Bill

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Wayne Watson wrote:

Rec., that is, fla****er. I probably made a big stride towards understand=
ing what is
there only a few hours ago. I just received my copy of Paddling Yellowsto=
ne and
Tetons by Don Wilson, Falcon Press. I posted to get a jump on any info I =
could pick
up. I was afraid the book wouldn't get here until late Thursday, which wo=
uld have
given me about 12 hours to get acquainted with it. I'm leaving Friday for=
the area.
I'll be there two weeks. Nevertheless, I've already gotten some good info=
from a lady
in Jackson Hole, but can always use more. I will rent equipment somewhere=
in the
area, and will likely go it on my own, but I'm open to joining in with cl=
ubs in the area.

I just took a peek at the book. Looks like it'll be helpful.

Paddlec1 wrote:

Any suggestions for recreational paddling in YS/Teton area? Outside the=
parks
is fine
too.



What kind of paddling are you looking for...
Whitewater? Fla****er touring? I don't get down to the South side of th=
e park
much, but I do a lot of paddling on the north side, Yellowstone River,
Gallatin, Madison, Boulder.

Dennis


--
Wayne T. Watson (The Wizard of Obz, Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39=B0 15' 7" N, 121=B0 2' 32" W
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now sap=
iens)

Blue Whale population before human hunting: 239,000. Today: =
1,700.

Web Page: home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews

Yes, I got my copy last night and started reading it immediately. Yes, it's got some
very helpful passages. It had a section on bears but nothing on Moose. I would think
Moose could be a little troublesome at times in the water. Yes, I noted the wind and
wave (not uncommon for 5-6' waves) comment in the book. I think I'll hug the shore as
he suggested. I also noted the water temp is usually in the 50s. Yikes! I'll bring my
wet suit for sure! Although I live in 'warm' N. Calif. and 3000' in the foothills of
the Sierra the water can be a bit nippy, but I don't think at this time of the year
it's in the 50s. T

I'm reviewing a video on water safety, 4hrs. It covers a lot of territory, cold
(water) shock, hypothermia, rescues. I'll probably try at least a self-assisted
rescue in one of the lakes there before venturing out. Noted Oxbow. I wonder if that
has anything to do with the famous story The Oxbow Incident? I'm told that Stringer
Lake is a must.

The video is produced by The University of Sea Kayaking, Santa Barbara, CA.
www.useakayak.org. It covers a lot and is excellent.

B. Comegys wrote:

Hi Wayne ;
I bought this book, "Paddling Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks"
by Don Nelson, ISBN: 1560446277, very helpful. The book talks about
trips, campsites, water taxi, permits, etc. I have also taken a short
paddles on Yellowstone and Lewis lake. It was very different then in
Washington State, I guess you would expect that. What I was struck by is
how fast the wind comes up in the afternoon so you need to paddle in the
morning. You need to buy a permit to paddle in Yellowstone. When I came
out of Yellowstone the Ox Bow area looked really nice. I do not know if it
was practical.
All the Best
Bill

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Wayne Watson wrote:


Rec., that is, fla****er. I probably made a big stride towards understanding what is
there only a few hours ago. I just received my copy of Paddling Yellowstone and
Tetons by Don Wilson, Falcon Press. I posted to get a jump on any info I could pick
up. I was afraid the book wouldn't get here until late Thursday, which would have
given me about 12 hours to get acquainted with it. I'm leaving Friday for the area.
I'll be there two weeks. Nevertheless, I've already gotten some good info from a lady
in Jackson Hole, but can always use more. I will rent equipment somewhere in the
area, and will likely go it on my own, but I'm open to joining in with clubs in the area.

I just took a peek at the book. Looks like it'll be helpful.

Paddlec1 wrote:


Any suggestions for recreational paddling in YS/Teton area? Outside the parks
is fine
too.



What kind of paddling are you looking for...
Whitewater? Fla****er touring? I don't get down to the South side of the park
much, but I do a lot of paddling on the north side, Yellowstone River,
Gallatin, Madison, Boulder.

Dennis


--
Wayne T. Watson (The Wizard of Obz, Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now sapiens)

Blue Whale population before human hunting: 239,000. Today: 1,700.

Web Page: home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews



--
Wayne T. Watson (The Wizard of Obz, Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now sapiens)

Blue Whale population before human hunting: 239,000. Today: 1,700.

Web Page: home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews

Be very careful of the wind. You want to be off the water when it hits.
On a 5 day trip on Lewis/Shoshone lakes in August a few years ago, it
hit every day between 1 and 2 PM. You could hear it roaring up on the
ridge tops and see the trees bending while at lake level it was calm.
It gradually moved down to lake level, probably blowing at 30+ mph, and
within 10 minutes there were whitecaps. Surface water temps went from
70s to 50s as the lake was stirred up. The wind lasted about an hour,
then died, and the next morning the lake had restratified and was warm
enough to swim in. If you do Lewis/Shoshone, you need to get an early
start so you don't get caught by the wind.

B. Comegys wrote:
Hi Wayne ;
I bought this book, "Paddling Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks"
by Don Nelson, ISBN: 1560446277, very helpful. The book talks about
trips, campsites, water taxi, permits, etc. I have also taken a short
paddles on Yellowstone and Lewis lake. It was very different then in
Washington State, I guess you would expect that. What I was struck by is
how fast the wind comes up in the afternoon so you need to paddle in the
morning. You need to buy a permit to paddle in Yellowstone. When I came
out of Yellowstone the Ox Bow area looked really nice. I do not know if it
was practical.
All the Best
Bill

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Wayne Watson wrote:


Rec., that is, fla****er. I probably made a big stride towards understanding what is
there only a few hours ago. I just received my copy of Paddling Yellowstone and
Tetons by Don Wilson, Falcon Press. I posted to get a jump on any info I could pick
up. I was afraid the book wouldn't get here until late Thursday, which would have
given me about 12 hours to get acquainted with it. I'm leaving Friday for the area.
I'll be there two weeks. Nevertheless, I've already gotten some good info from a lady
in Jackson Hole, but can always use more. I will rent equipment somewhere in the
area, and will likely go it on my own, but I'm open to joining in with clubs in the area.

I just took a peek at the book. Looks like it'll be helpful.

Paddlec1 wrote:


Any suggestions for recreational paddling in YS/Teton area? Outside the parks
is fine
too.



What kind of paddling are you looking for...
Whitewater? Fla****er touring? I don't get down to the South side of the park
much, but I do a lot of paddling on the north side, Yellowstone River,
Gallatin, Madison, Boulder.

Dennis


--
Wayne T. Watson (The Wizard of Obz, Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now sapiens)

Blue Whale population before human hunting: 239,000. Today: 1,700.

Web Page: home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews

Hello,
thanks. I think I'll very likely stay away from Lewis/Shoshone until I have better
skills or travel with others. I'll probably venture into some part of YS Lake, but it
looks like from Nelson's book that some of the lakes in the Tetons will be easier and
perhaps a bit less risky (Jenny, Stringer, Two Oceans, Jackson Lake to Oxbow to
Pacific Creek--trip #32). Interesting about how the in-water temp changes. I'm
preparing for the 50s, and will be using a 4mm wetsuit, a loaner courtesy of my son.
Nelson, as you do, cautions against mid-afternoon winds. He also mentions 5-6' waves
are not uncommon. I think this applies to the entire YS-T lake area and not just YS.

Speaking of wind, I had hoped to get a Dwyer wind gauge before leaving on the trip,
but I'm too late on that score. A possible source is an athletic sports store. These
meters are often used in track meets to determine if the wind is too high for record
events. If there's a place where I can get one on my travels through Reno, Salt Lake,
and to YS-T, I'd get one.

Thinking of the Salt Lake body of water, I would think boating is not possible there?

Kim Buttleman wrote:

Be very careful of the wind. You want to be off the water when it hits.
On a 5 day trip on Lewis/Shoshone lakes in August a few years ago, it
hit every day between 1 and 2 PM. You could hear it roaring up on the
ridge tops and see the trees bending while at lake level it was calm. It
gradually moved down to lake level, probably blowing at 30+ mph, and
within 10 minutes there were whitecaps. Surface water temps went from
70s to 50s as the lake was stirred up. The wind lasted about an hour,
then died, and the next morning the lake had restratified and was warm
enough to swim in. If you do Lewis/Shoshone, you need to get an early
start so you don't get caught by the wind.

B. Comegys wrote:

Hi Wayne ;
I bought this book, "Paddling Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks"
by Don Nelson, ISBN: 1560446277, very helpful. The book talks about
trips, campsites, water taxi, permits, etc. I have also taken a short
paddles on Yellowstone and Lewis lake. It was very different then in
Washington State, I guess you would expect that. What I was struck by is
how fast the wind comes up in the afternoon so you need to paddle in the
morning. You need to buy a permit to paddle in Yellowstone. When I came
out of Yellowstone the Ox Bow area looked really nice. I do not know
if it
was practical.
All the Best
Bill

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Wayne Watson wrote:


Rec., that is, fla****er. I probably made a big stride towards
understanding what is
there only a few hours ago. I just received my copy of Paddling
Yellowstone and
Tetons by Don Wilson, Falcon Press. I posted to get a jump on any
info I could pick
up. I was afraid the book wouldn't get here until late Thursday,
which would have
given me about 12 hours to get acquainted with it. I'm leaving Friday
for the area.
I'll be there two weeks. Nevertheless, I've already gotten some good
info from a lady
in Jackson Hole, but can always use more. I will rent equipment
somewhere in the
area, and will likely go it on my own, but I'm open to joining in
with clubs in the area.

I just took a peek at the book. Looks like it'll be helpful.

Paddlec1 wrote:


Any suggestions for recreational paddling in YS/Teton area? Outside
the parks
is fine
too.




What kind of paddling are you looking for...
Whitewater? Fla****er touring? I don't get down to the South side of
the park
much, but I do a lot of paddling on the north side, Yellowstone River,
Gallatin, Madison, Boulder.

Dennis


--
Wayne T. Watson (The Wizard of Obz, Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now
sapiens)

Blue Whale population before human hunting: 239,000.
Today: 1,700.

Web Page: home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews





--
Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W
(Formerly Homo habilis, erectus, heidelbergensis and now sapiens)

Blue Whale population before human hunting: 239,000. Today: 1,700.

Web Page: home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews