On 3/16/2020 8:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:


My daughter just texted me. Her husband (my son-in-law) is an
electrician and has work booked ahead for almost a year.

Problem now is he can't pull the necessary permits because
most of the town halls and their permit offices are all
closing because of this virus thing.



I am supposed to,renew,my drivers license this month. I think it will be
expired before renewal.



Mrs. E"s license expired last month. She went to renew it and found out
that even to get a new "standard" license (not the
RealID type) she still needed to present a birth certificate to prove
she's a resident. Didn't know that. She's had a MA license for
54 years but *now* she has to prove she lives here.


So, she hunted for her birth certificate from 70 years ago.
She couldn't find it.

We contacted the city clerk in the town in which she was born
and ordered a certified copy. Took forever to get. Meanwhile, she was
driving occasionally with an expired license.

Finally got the certificate but now the RMV is closed due
to the coronavirus. Can't renew on-line because she has
to show the birth certificate.

Round and round we go.



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Mrs. E"s license expired last month. She went to renew it and found out
that even to get a new "standard" license (not the
RealID type) she still needed to present a birth certificate to prove
she's a resident. Didn't know that. She's had a MA license for
54 years but *now* she has to prove she lives here.


So, she hunted for her birth certificate from 70 years ago.
She couldn't find it.

We contacted the city clerk in the town in which she was born
and ordered a certified copy. Took forever to get. Meanwhile, she was
driving occasionally with an expired license.

Finally got the certificate but now the RMV is closed due
to the coronavirus. Can't renew on-line because she has
to show the birth certificate.

Round and round we go.
- show quoted text -
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Dealing with Bureaucrats can make for a fun life...

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/16/2020 8:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:


My daughter just texted me. Her husband (my son-in-law) is an
electrician and has work booked ahead for almost a year.

Problem now is he can't pull the necessary permits because
most of the town halls and their permit offices are all
closing because of this virus thing.



I am supposed to,renew,my drivers license this month. I think it will be
expired before renewal.



Mrs. E"s license expired last month. She went to renew it and found out
that even to get a new "standard" license (not the
RealID type) she still needed to present a birth certificate to prove
she's a resident. Didn't know that. She's had a MA license for
54 years but *now* she has to prove she lives here.


So, she hunted for her birth certificate from 70 years ago.
She couldn't find it.

We contacted the city clerk in the town in which she was born
and ordered a certified copy. Took forever to get. Meanwhile, she was
driving occasionally with an expired license.

Finally got the certificate but now the RMV is closed due
to the coronavirus. Can't renew on-line because she has
to show the birth certificate.

Round and round we go.




I need the real ID stuff. Which I have, passport works, But have to take
the written (computer) test tho.

On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 03:11:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/16/2020 8:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:


My daughter just texted me. Her husband (my son-in-law) is an
electrician and has work booked ahead for almost a year.

Problem now is he can't pull the necessary permits because
most of the town halls and their permit offices are all
closing because of this virus thing.



I am supposed to,renew,my drivers license this month. I think it will be
expired before renewal.



Mrs. E"s license expired last month. She went to renew it and found out
that even to get a new "standard" license (not the
RealID type) she still needed to present a birth certificate to prove
she's a resident. Didn't know that. She's had a MA license for
54 years but *now* she has to prove she lives here.


So, she hunted for her birth certificate from 70 years ago.
She couldn't find it.

We contacted the city clerk in the town in which she was born
and ordered a certified copy. Took forever to get. Meanwhile, she was
driving occasionally with an expired license.

Finally got the certificate but now the RMV is closed due
to the coronavirus. Can't renew on-line because she has
to show the birth certificate.

Round and round we go.

They should be OK with a passport and for some strange reason, a
utility bill.

On 3/17/2020 12:41 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 03:11:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/16/2020 8:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:


My daughter just texted me. Her husband (my son-in-law) is an
electrician and has work booked ahead for almost a year.

Problem now is he can't pull the necessary permits because
most of the town halls and their permit offices are all
closing because of this virus thing.



I am supposed to,renew,my drivers license this month. I think it will be
expired before renewal.



Mrs. E"s license expired last month. She went to renew it and found out
that even to get a new "standard" license (not the
RealID type) she still needed to present a birth certificate to prove
she's a resident. Didn't know that. She's had a MA license for
54 years but *now* she has to prove she lives here.


So, she hunted for her birth certificate from 70 years ago.
She couldn't find it.

We contacted the city clerk in the town in which she was born
and ordered a certified copy. Took forever to get. Meanwhile, she was
driving occasionally with an expired license.

Finally got the certificate but now the RMV is closed due
to the coronavirus. Can't renew on-line because she has
to show the birth certificate.

Round and round we go.



They should be OK with a passport and for some strange reason, a
utility bill.


Her passport expired a few years ago.

It was confusing because initially the MA RMV website listed documents
required for the "RealId" type license but not for the renewal of
a "standard" license. You can do either.

Up until now all you had to do to renew
a standard license was to take an eye test and you got a new
license. You could also renew on-line if the eye test wasn't
required in the renewal schedule.

But now they require proof of residency for the standard license
as well, including birth certificate.

Anyway, she now has everything she needs to get the "RealId"
type except the RMV isn't open.


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On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 12:52:45 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/17/2020 12:41 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 03:11:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/16/2020 8:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:


My daughter just texted me. Her husband (my son-in-law) is an
electrician and has work booked ahead for almost a year.

Problem now is he can't pull the necessary permits because
most of the town halls and their permit offices are all
closing because of this virus thing.



I am supposed to,renew,my drivers license this month. I think it will be
expired before renewal.



Mrs. E"s license expired last month. She went to renew it and found out
that even to get a new "standard" license (not the
RealID type) she still needed to present a birth certificate to prove
she's a resident. Didn't know that. She's had a MA license for
54 years but *now* she has to prove she lives here.


So, she hunted for her birth certificate from 70 years ago.
She couldn't find it.

We contacted the city clerk in the town in which she was born
and ordered a certified copy. Took forever to get. Meanwhile, she was
driving occasionally with an expired license.

Finally got the certificate but now the RMV is closed due
to the coronavirus. Can't renew on-line because she has
to show the birth certificate.

Round and round we go.



They should be OK with a passport and for some strange reason, a
utility bill.


Her passport expired a few years ago.

It was confusing because initially the MA RMV website listed documents
required for the "RealId" type license but not for the renewal of
a "standard" license. You can do either.

Up until now all you had to do to renew
a standard license was to take an eye test and you got a new
license. You could also renew on-line if the eye test wasn't
required in the renewal schedule.

But now they require proof of residency for the standard license
as well, including birth certificate.

Anyway, she now has everything she needs to get the "RealId"
type except the RMV isn't open.


A lot of DMVs are saying renewing your passport is easier than getting
a "Real ID" DL without one. I got mine back in about 10 days.

I am not quite sure why they can't give you the computer based tests
online and your eye doctor can give you a note that gets you past the
eye test. (very common here in Florida for old folks) At that point,
isn't it just the money they want? They could just take a check or
credit card for an online renewal.
DMV is just a tax scam anyway. Maybe it is time we admitted it.
Florida will renew your license by mail 2 or 3 times before you have
to show up. You used to get a sticker, now they just send you a copy
of your old license with the dates changed. They admit it is just
about the money.

On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:27:29 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 12:52:45 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/17/2020 12:41 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 03:11:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/16/2020 8:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:


My daughter just texted me. Her husband (my son-in-law) is an
electrician and has work booked ahead for almost a year.

Problem now is he can't pull the necessary permits because
most of the town halls and their permit offices are all
closing because of this virus thing.



I am supposed to,renew,my drivers license this month. I think it will be
expired before renewal.



Mrs. E"s license expired last month. She went to renew it and found out
that even to get a new "standard" license (not the
RealID type) she still needed to present a birth certificate to prove
she's a resident. Didn't know that. She's had a MA license for
54 years but *now* she has to prove she lives here.


So, she hunted for her birth certificate from 70 years ago.
She couldn't find it.

We contacted the city clerk in the town in which she was born
and ordered a certified copy. Took forever to get. Meanwhile, she was
driving occasionally with an expired license.

Finally got the certificate but now the RMV is closed due
to the coronavirus. Can't renew on-line because she has
to show the birth certificate.

Round and round we go.



They should be OK with a passport and for some strange reason, a
utility bill.


Her passport expired a few years ago.

It was confusing because initially the MA RMV website listed documents
required for the "RealId" type license but not for the renewal of
a "standard" license. You can do either.

Up until now all you had to do to renew
a standard license was to take an eye test and you got a new
license. You could also renew on-line if the eye test wasn't
required in the renewal schedule.

But now they require proof of residency for the standard license
as well, including birth certificate.

Anyway, she now has everything she needs to get the "RealId"
type except the RMV isn't open.


A lot of DMVs are saying renewing your passport is easier than getting
a "Real ID" DL without one. I got mine back in about 10 days.

I am not quite sure why they can't give you the computer based tests
online and your eye doctor can give you a note that gets you past the
eye test. (very common here in Florida for old folks) At that point,
isn't it just the money they want? They could just take a check or
credit card for an online renewal.
DMV is just a tax scam anyway. Maybe it is time we admitted it.
Florida will renew your license by mail 2 or 3 times before you have
to show up. You used to get a sticker, now they just send you a copy
of your old license with the dates changed. They admit it is just
about the money.

I got mine at the local DMV with a wait of about an hour. That's why God
invented Kindalls.
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Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:27:29 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 12:52:45 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/17/2020 12:41 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 03:11:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/16/2020 8:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:


My daughter just texted me. Her husband (my son-in-law) is an
electrician and has work booked ahead for almost a year.

Problem now is he can't pull the necessary permits because
most of the town halls and their permit offices are all
closing because of this virus thing.



I am supposed to,renew,my drivers license this month. I think it will be
expired before renewal.



Mrs. E"s license expired last month. She went to renew it and found out
that even to get a new "standard" license (not the
RealID type) she still needed to present a birth certificate to prove
she's a resident. Didn't know that. She's had a MA license for
54 years but *now* she has to prove she lives here.


So, she hunted for her birth certificate from 70 years ago.
She couldn't find it.

We contacted the city clerk in the town in which she was born
and ordered a certified copy. Took forever to get. Meanwhile, she was
driving occasionally with an expired license.

Finally got the certificate but now the RMV is closed due
to the coronavirus. Can't renew on-line because she has
to show the birth certificate.

Round and round we go.



They should be OK with a passport and for some strange reason, a
utility bill.


Her passport expired a few years ago.

It was confusing because initially the MA RMV website listed documents
required for the "RealId" type license but not for the renewal of
a "standard" license. You can do either.

Up until now all you had to do to renew
a standard license was to take an eye test and you got a new
license. You could also renew on-line if the eye test wasn't
required in the renewal schedule.

But now they require proof of residency for the standard license
as well, including birth certificate.

Anyway, she now has everything she needs to get the "RealId"
type except the RMV isn't open.


A lot of DMVs are saying renewing your passport is easier than getting
a "Real ID" DL without one. I got mine back in about 10 days.

I am not quite sure why they can't give you the computer based tests
online and your eye doctor can give you a note that gets you past the
eye test. (very common here in Florida for old folks) At that point,
isn't it just the money they want? They could just take a check or
credit card for an online renewal.
DMV is just a tax scam anyway. Maybe it is time we admitted it.
Florida will renew your license by mail 2 or 3 times before you have
to show up. You used to get a sticker, now they just send you a copy
of your old license with the dates changed. They admit it is just
about the money.

I got mine at the local DMV with a wait of about an hour. That's why God
invented Kindalls.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!


Before the virus lockdown, took a couple months with an appointment, and
maybe a 7 hour wait. California DMV is famous as an ultimate
bureaucracy. Some years ago, they paid $330 million for a new guaranteed
computer system to fix up the department. Never worked, and they paid the
supplier.

On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 03:07:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:27:29 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 12:52:45 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/17/2020 12:41 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 03:11:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/16/2020 8:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:


My daughter just texted me. Her husband (my son-in-law) is an
electrician and has work booked ahead for almost a year.

Problem now is he can't pull the necessary permits because
most of the town halls and their permit offices are all
closing because of this virus thing.



I am supposed to,renew,my drivers license this month. I think it will be
expired before renewal.



Mrs. E"s license expired last month. She went to renew it and found out
that even to get a new "standard" license (not the
RealID type) she still needed to present a birth certificate to prove
she's a resident. Didn't know that. She's had a MA license for
54 years but *now* she has to prove she lives here.


So, she hunted for her birth certificate from 70 years ago.
She couldn't find it.

We contacted the city clerk in the town in which she was born
and ordered a certified copy. Took forever to get. Meanwhile, she was
driving occasionally with an expired license.

Finally got the certificate but now the RMV is closed due
to the coronavirus. Can't renew on-line because she has
to show the birth certificate.

Round and round we go.



They should be OK with a passport and for some strange reason, a
utility bill.


Her passport expired a few years ago.

It was confusing because initially the MA RMV website listed documents
required for the "RealId" type license but not for the renewal of
a "standard" license. You can do either.

Up until now all you had to do to renew
a standard license was to take an eye test and you got a new
license. You could also renew on-line if the eye test wasn't
required in the renewal schedule.

But now they require proof of residency for the standard license
as well, including birth certificate.

Anyway, she now has everything she needs to get the "RealId"
type except the RMV isn't open.


A lot of DMVs are saying renewing your passport is easier than getting
a "Real ID" DL without one. I got mine back in about 10 days.

I am not quite sure why they can't give you the computer based tests
online and your eye doctor can give you a note that gets you past the
eye test. (very common here in Florida for old folks) At that point,
isn't it just the money they want? They could just take a check or
credit card for an online renewal.
DMV is just a tax scam anyway. Maybe it is time we admitted it.
Florida will renew your license by mail 2 or 3 times before you have
to show up. You used to get a sticker, now they just send you a copy
of your old license with the dates changed. They admit it is just
about the money.

I got mine at the local DMV with a wait of about an hour. That's why God
invented Kindalls.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!


Before the virus lockdown, took a couple months with an appointment, and
maybe a 7 hour wait. California DMV is famous as an ultimate
bureaucracy. Some years ago, they paid $330 million for a new guaranteed
computer system to fix up the department. Never worked, and they paid the
supplier.

The last time I had to go in I was out the door in about 10 minutes
but I had just pulled a 150' #4 triplex service lateral (underground)
with ground and terminated it in the panel.
I was dirty and sweaty, standing in the pristine Naples Fl DMV. They
got me in and out before I got a chance to sit down ;-)

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 11:07:23 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:27:29 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 12:52:45 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/17/2020 12:41 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 03:11:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/16/2020 8:07 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:


My daughter just texted me. Her husband (my son-in-law) is an
electrician and has work booked ahead for almost a year.

Problem now is he can't pull the necessary permits because
most of the town halls and their permit offices are all
closing because of this virus thing.



I am supposed to,renew,my drivers license this month. I think it will be
expired before renewal.



Mrs. E"s license expired last month. She went to renew it and found out
that even to get a new "standard" license (not the
RealID type) she still needed to present a birth certificate to prove
she's a resident. Didn't know that. She's had a MA license for
54 years but *now* she has to prove she lives here.


So, she hunted for her birth certificate from 70 years ago.
She couldn't find it.

We contacted the city clerk in the town in which she was born
and ordered a certified copy. Took forever to get. Meanwhile, she was
driving occasionally with an expired license.

Finally got the certificate but now the RMV is closed due
to the coronavirus. Can't renew on-line because she has
to show the birth certificate.

Round and round we go.



They should be OK with a passport and for some strange reason, a
utility bill.


Her passport expired a few years ago.

It was confusing because initially the MA RMV website listed documents
required for the "RealId" type license but not for the renewal of
a "standard" license. You can do either.

Up until now all you had to do to renew
a standard license was to take an eye test and you got a new
license. You could also renew on-line if the eye test wasn't
required in the renewal schedule.

But now they require proof of residency for the standard license
as well, including birth certificate.

Anyway, she now has everything she needs to get the "RealId"
type except the RMV isn't open.


A lot of DMVs are saying renewing your passport is easier than getting
a "Real ID" DL without one. I got mine back in about 10 days.

I am not quite sure why they can't give you the computer based tests
online and your eye doctor can give you a note that gets you past the
eye test. (very common here in Florida for old folks) At that point,
isn't it just the money they want? They could just take a check or
credit card for an online renewal.
DMV is just a tax scam anyway. Maybe it is time we admitted it.
Florida will renew your license by mail 2 or 3 times before you have
to show up. You used to get a sticker, now they just send you a copy
of your old license with the dates changed. They admit it is just
about the money.

I got mine at the local DMV with a wait of about an hour. That's why God
invented Kindalls.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!


Before the virus lockdown, took a couple months with an appointment, and
maybe a 7 hour wait. California DMV is famous as an ultimate
bureaucracy. Some years ago, they paid $330 million for a new guaranteed
computer system to fix up the department. Never worked, and they paid the
supplier.

Wow, that's crazy. My Real ID here in SC took maybe 15 minutes. I just walked in off the street with my paperwork. The biggest wait was printing and laminating.