I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits
in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as
meaningful as it would seem.

We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits
and tests 20,000 people *daily*.

Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus
(and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million.

The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300
people a day. Yet, with a population over 6 times that
of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases.


How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea?

Other factors and initiatives in the USA seem to be
more successful.

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I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kitsin the USA is a lot of noise but may not be asmeaningful as it would seem.We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kitsand tests 20,000 people *daily*.Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus(and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million.The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300people a day. Yet, with a population over 6 times thatof South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases.How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea?Other factors and initiatives in the USA seem to bemore successful.-- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.https://www.avg.com

I'd be more comfortable if they had treatment/cure kits available.
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I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kitsin the USA is a lot of noise but may not be asmeaningful as it would seem.We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kitsand tests 20,000 people *daily*.Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus(and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million.The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300people a day. Yet, with a population over 6 times thatof South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases.How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea?Other factors and initiatives in the USA seem to bemore successful.-- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.https://www.avg.com

I'd be more comfortable if they had treatment/cure kits available.



I heard something about a treatment (not a vaccine) has been developed,
is being fast-tract tested, and shows promise.

That would be wonderful news, if true.

I don't know anything about this stuff. I know that antibiotics are
ineffectual against viruses. Viruses need a steroid based medicine
from what I understand.

Sometimes a viral infection can lead to a bacterial infection (like
pneumonia) so in some cases both are given.

On 3/13/20 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits
in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as
meaningful as it would seem.

We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits
and tests 20,000 people *daily*.

Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus
(and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million.

The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300
people a day.Â* Yet, with a population over 6 times that
of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases.


How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea?

Other factors and initiativesÂ* in the USA seem to be
more successful.


Someone with a science background would know there aren't enough test
kits/results in the USA to determine anything yet.

But I am sure the Trumpsters appreciate your never-ending asskissing.

On 3/13/2020 3:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/20 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits
in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as
meaningful as it would seem.

We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits
and tests 20,000 people *daily*.

Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus
(and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million.

The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300
people a day.Â* Yet, with a population over 6 times that
of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases.


How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea?

Other factors and initiativesÂ* in the USA seem to be
more successful.


Someone with a science background would know there aren't enough test
kits/results in the USA to determine anything yet.

But I am sure the Trumpsters appreciate your never-ending asskissing.



My question is what do the tests accomplish that following the
recommendations of the medical and scientific community doesn't?

If you have the symptoms (fever, shortness of breath, cough) assume
you have it and self-quarantine. If severe, contact your doctor.

If people did as they are being asked to do, limit exposure to
large groups along with the actions taken by the federal and local
governments, testing everyone really accomplishes nothing.

This is a case of many expecting government to solve a problem
that people ... if they are willing to sacrifice a bit ... can
solve themselves.


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On 3/13/20 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/13/2020 3:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/20 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits
in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as
meaningful as it would seem.

We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits
and tests 20,000 people *daily*.

Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus
(and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million.

The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300
people a day.Â* Yet, with a population over 6 times that
of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases.


How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea?

Other factors and initiativesÂ* in the USA seem to be
more successful.


Someone with a science background would know there aren't enough test
kits/results in the USA to determine anything yet.

But I am sure the Trumpsters appreciate your never-ending asskissing.



My question is what do the tests accomplish that following the
recommendations of the medical and scientific community doesn't?

That is a completely absurd response.

On 3/13/2020 3:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/20 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/13/2020 3:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/20 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits
in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as
meaningful as it would seem.

We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits
and tests 20,000 people *daily*.

Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus
(and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million.

The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300
people a day.Â* Yet, with a population over 6 times that
of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases.


How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea?

Other factors and initiativesÂ* in the USA seem to be
more successful.


Someone with a science background would know there aren't enough test
kits/results in the USA to determine anything yet.

But I am sure the Trumpsters appreciate your never-ending asskissing.





My question is what do the tests accomplish that following the
recommendations of the medical and scientific community doesn't?

That is a completely absurd response.


Why is that?

Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath calls doctor.
Doctor says, "you need to self-quarantine" for 14 days. If it
gets worse, call me again."

Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor
and has a "Test". Test is positive.

Doctor then says, "you need to self-quarantine for 14 days.
If it gets worse, call me again."

Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor
and has a "Test". Test is negative.

Doctor then says, "you don't have the coronavirus now but please
follow all the recommendations of the medical/scientific community,
limiting your exposure to large crowds. But, it's still very
possible you'll end up becoming infected."

What did the test accomplish?



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On 3/13/20 4:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/13/2020 3:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/20 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/13/2020 3:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/20 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits
in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as
meaningful as it would seem.

We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits
and tests 20,000 people *daily*.

Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus
(and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million.

The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300
people a day.Â* Yet, with a population over 6 times that
of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases.


How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea?

Other factors and initiativesÂ* in the USA seem to be
more successful.


Someone with a science background would know there aren't enough
test kits/results in the USA to determine anything yet.

But I am sure the Trumpsters appreciate your never-ending asskissing.





My question is what do the tests accomplish that following the
recommendations of the medical and scientific community doesn't?

That is a completely absurd response.


Why is that?

Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath calls doctor.
Doctor says, "you need to self-quarantine" for 14 days.Â* If it
gets worse, call me again."

Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor
and has a "Test".Â* Test is positive.

Doctor then says, "you need to self-quarantine for 14 days.
If it gets worse, call me again."

Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor
and has a "Test".Â* Test is negative.

Doctor then says, "you don't have the coronavirus now but please
follow all the recommendations of the medical/scientific community,
limiting your exposure to large crowds.Â* But, it's still very
possible you'll end up becoming infected."

What did the test accomplish?




Simply:

1. Your "diagnosis" covers more than the corona ailment. Waiting 14 days
might hide an illness and result in more serious condition. Seeing the
doctor for a test might help determine the ailment.*

2. You cannot keep track of an ailment like corona without accurate
statistics.

3. If there is a large outbreak in a particular geo area, you want to
send resources there. The test results help determine that.

* Cough, which may produce greenish, yellow or even
bloody mucus.
Fever, sweating and shaking chills.
Shortness of breath.
Rapid, shallow breathing.

DIAGNOSIS: PNEUMONIA.

But stay at home for 14 days...

On 3/13/2020 4:20 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/20 4:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/13/2020 3:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/20 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/13/2020 3:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/20 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits
in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as
meaningful as it would seem.

We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits
and tests 20,000 people *daily*.

Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus
(and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million.

The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300
people a day.Â* Yet, with a population over 6 times that
of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases.


How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea?

Other factors and initiativesÂ* in the USA seem to be
more successful.


Someone with a science background would know there aren't enough
test kits/results in the USA to determine anything yet.

But I am sure the Trumpsters appreciate your never-ending asskissing.





My question is what do the tests accomplish that following the
recommendations of the medical and scientific community doesn't?

That is a completely absurd response.


Why is that?

Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath calls doctor.
Doctor says, "you need to self-quarantine" for 14 days.Â* If it
gets worse, call me again."

Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor
and has a "Test".Â* Test is positive.

Doctor then says, "you need to self-quarantine for 14 days.
If it gets worse, call me again."

Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor
and has a "Test".Â* Test is negative.

Doctor then says, "you don't have the coronavirus now but please
follow all the recommendations of the medical/scientific community,
limiting your exposure to large crowds.Â* But, it's still very
possible you'll end up becoming infected."

What did the test accomplish?




Simply:

1. Your "diagnosis" covers more than the corona ailment. Waiting 14 days
might hide an illness and result in more serious condition. Seeing the
doctor for a test might help determine the ailment.*

2. You cannot keep track of an ailment like corona without accurate
statistics.

3. If there is a large outbreak in a particular geo area, you want to
send resources there. The test results help determine that.

*Â*Â* Cough, which may produce greenish,Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* yellow or even
bloody mucus.
Â*Â*Â* Fever, sweating and shaking chills.
Â*Â*Â* Shortness of breath.
Â*Â*Â* Rapid, shallow breathing.

DIAGNOSIS: PNEUMONIA.

But stay at home for 14 days...





Ok. Got me there. But, my virtual doc also said, "Call me back if
it gets worse".

I still think the emphasis being placed on the test kit availability is
being overblown. If people just followed the recommendations that are
being pounded into our heads daily, along with temporarily restricting
travel from countries with a major number of cases, eventually the
virus will burn itself out because it's ability to transfer to others
is minimized.

If people choose to ignore the recommendations, it will just continue
to spread, test or no test.

If you are paying attention to the trend agencies like the CDC and WHO
are taking ... personal responsibility is what they are emphasizing more
and more.

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On 3/13/2020 4:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/13/2020 4:20 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/20 4:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/13/2020 3:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/20 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/13/2020 3:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/20 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits
in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as
meaningful as it would seem.

We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits
and tests 20,000 people *daily*.

Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus
(and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million.

The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300
people a day.Â* Yet, with a population over 6 times that
of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases.


How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea?

Other factors and initiativesÂ* in the USA seem to be
more successful.


Someone with a science background would know there aren't enough
test kits/results in the USA to determine anything yet.

But I am sure the Trumpsters appreciate your never-ending asskissing.





My question is what do the tests accomplish that following the
recommendations of the medical and scientific community doesn't?

That is a completely absurd response.


Why is that?

Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath calls doctor.
Doctor says, "you need to self-quarantine" for 14 days.Â* If it
gets worse, call me again."

Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor
and has a "Test".Â* Test is positive.

Doctor then says, "you need to self-quarantine for 14 days.
If it gets worse, call me again."

Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor
and has a "Test".Â* Test is negative.

Doctor then says, "you don't have the coronavirus now but please
follow all the recommendations of the medical/scientific community,
limiting your exposure to large crowds.Â* But, it's still very
possible you'll end up becoming infected."

What did the test accomplish?




Simply:

1. Your "diagnosis" covers more than the corona ailment. Waiting 14
days might hide an illness and result in more serious condition.
Seeing the doctor for a test might help determine the ailment.*

2. You cannot keep track of an ailment like corona without accurate
statistics.

3. If there is a large outbreak in a particular geo area, you want to
send resources there. The test results help determine that.

*Â*Â* Cough, which may produce greenish,Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* yellow or
even bloody mucus.
Â*Â*Â*Â* Fever, sweating and shaking chills.
Â*Â*Â*Â* Shortness of breath.
Â*Â*Â*Â* Rapid, shallow breathing.

DIAGNOSIS: PNEUMONIA.

But stay at home for 14 days...





Ok.Â* Got me there.Â* But, my virtual doc also said, "Call me back if
it gets worse".

I still think the emphasis being placed on the test kit availability is
being overblown.Â* If people just followed the recommendations that are
being pounded into our heads daily, along with temporarily restricting
travel from countries with a major number of cases, eventually the
virus will burn itself out because it's ability to transfer to others
is minimized.

If people choose to ignore the recommendations, it will just continue
to spread, test or no test.

If you are paying attention to the trend agencies like the CDC and WHO
are taking ... personal responsibility is what they are emphasizing more
and more.




Oh ... one after thought ....

The test kits in question are specifically for the coronavirus.

Visiting a doctor may uncover another issue as in your example
of pneumonia, but that isn't the purpose nor the controversy
surrounding the lack of kits.



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