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On 3/13/2020 3:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/20 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as meaningful as it would seem. We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits and tests 20,000 people *daily*. Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus (and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million. The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300 people a day.* Yet, with a population over 6 times that of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases. How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea? Other factors and initiatives* in the USA seem to be more successful. Someone with a science background would know there aren't enough test kits/results in the USA to determine anything yet. But I am sure the Trumpsters appreciate your never-ending asskissing. My question is what do the tests accomplish that following the recommendations of the medical and scientific community doesn't? If you have the symptoms (fever, shortness of breath, cough) assume you have it and self-quarantine. If severe, contact your doctor. If people did as they are being asked to do, limit exposure to large groups along with the actions taken by the federal and local governments, testing everyone really accomplishes nothing. This is a case of many expecting government to solve a problem that people ... if they are willing to sacrifice a bit ... can solve themselves. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 3/13/20 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/13/2020 3:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as meaningful as it would seem. We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits and tests 20,000 people *daily*. Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus (and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million. The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300 people a day.* Yet, with a population over 6 times that of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases. How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea? Other factors and initiatives* in the USA seem to be more successful. Someone with a science background would know there aren't enough test kits/results in the USA to determine anything yet. But I am sure the Trumpsters appreciate your never-ending asskissing. My question is what do the tests accomplish that following the recommendations of the medical and scientific community doesn't? That is a completely absurd response. |
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On 3/13/2020 3:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/20 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/13/2020 3:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as meaningful as it would seem. We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits and tests 20,000 people *daily*. Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus (and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million. The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300 people a day.* Yet, with a population over 6 times that of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases. How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea? Other factors and initiatives* in the USA seem to be more successful. Someone with a science background would know there aren't enough test kits/results in the USA to determine anything yet. But I am sure the Trumpsters appreciate your never-ending asskissing. My question is what do the tests accomplish that following the recommendations of the medical and scientific community doesn't? That is a completely absurd response. Why is that? Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath calls doctor. Doctor says, "you need to self-quarantine" for 14 days. If it gets worse, call me again." Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor and has a "Test". Test is positive. Doctor then says, "you need to self-quarantine for 14 days. If it gets worse, call me again." Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor and has a "Test". Test is negative. Doctor then says, "you don't have the coronavirus now but please follow all the recommendations of the medical/scientific community, limiting your exposure to large crowds. But, it's still very possible you'll end up becoming infected." What did the test accomplish? -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 3/13/20 4:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/13/2020 3:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/13/2020 3:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as meaningful as it would seem. We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits and tests 20,000 people *daily*. Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus (and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million. The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300 people a day.* Yet, with a population over 6 times that of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases. How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea? Other factors and initiatives* in the USA seem to be more successful. Someone with a science background would know there aren't enough test kits/results in the USA to determine anything yet. But I am sure the Trumpsters appreciate your never-ending asskissing. My question is what do the tests accomplish that following the recommendations of the medical and scientific community doesn't? That is a completely absurd response. Why is that? Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath calls doctor. Doctor says, "you need to self-quarantine" for 14 days.* If it gets worse, call me again." Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor and has a "Test".* Test is positive. Doctor then says, "you need to self-quarantine for 14 days. If it gets worse, call me again." Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor and has a "Test".* Test is negative. Doctor then says, "you don't have the coronavirus now but please follow all the recommendations of the medical/scientific community, limiting your exposure to large crowds.* But, it's still very possible you'll end up becoming infected." What did the test accomplish? Simply: 1. Your "diagnosis" covers more than the corona ailment. Waiting 14 days might hide an illness and result in more serious condition. Seeing the doctor for a test might help determine the ailment.* 2. You cannot keep track of an ailment like corona without accurate statistics. 3. If there is a large outbreak in a particular geo area, you want to send resources there. The test results help determine that. * Cough, which may produce greenish, yellow or even bloody mucus. Fever, sweating and shaking chills. Shortness of breath. Rapid, shallow breathing. DIAGNOSIS: PNEUMONIA. But stay at home for 14 days... |
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On 3/13/2020 4:20 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/13/20 4:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/13/2020 3:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/13/2020 3:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as meaningful as it would seem. We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits and tests 20,000 people *daily*. Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus (and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million. The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300 people a day.* Yet, with a population over 6 times that of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases. How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea? Other factors and initiatives* in the USA seem to be more successful. Someone with a science background would know there aren't enough test kits/results in the USA to determine anything yet. But I am sure the Trumpsters appreciate your never-ending asskissing. My question is what do the tests accomplish that following the recommendations of the medical and scientific community doesn't? That is a completely absurd response. Why is that? Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath calls doctor. Doctor says, "you need to self-quarantine" for 14 days.* If it gets worse, call me again." Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor and has a "Test".* Test is positive. Doctor then says, "you need to self-quarantine for 14 days. If it gets worse, call me again." Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor and has a "Test".* Test is negative. Doctor then says, "you don't have the coronavirus now but please follow all the recommendations of the medical/scientific community, limiting your exposure to large crowds.* But, it's still very possible you'll end up becoming infected." What did the test accomplish? Simply: 1. Your "diagnosis" covers more than the corona ailment. Waiting 14 days might hide an illness and result in more serious condition. Seeing the doctor for a test might help determine the ailment.* 2. You cannot keep track of an ailment like corona without accurate statistics. 3. If there is a large outbreak in a particular geo area, you want to send resources there. The test results help determine that. *** Cough, which may produce greenish,****************** yellow or even bloody mucus. *** Fever, sweating and shaking chills. *** Shortness of breath. *** Rapid, shallow breathing. DIAGNOSIS: PNEUMONIA. But stay at home for 14 days... Ok. Got me there. But, my virtual doc also said, "Call me back if it gets worse". I still think the emphasis being placed on the test kit availability is being overblown. If people just followed the recommendations that are being pounded into our heads daily, along with temporarily restricting travel from countries with a major number of cases, eventually the virus will burn itself out because it's ability to transfer to others is minimized. If people choose to ignore the recommendations, it will just continue to spread, test or no test. If you are paying attention to the trend agencies like the CDC and WHO are taking ... personal responsibility is what they are emphasizing more and more. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 3/13/2020 4:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/13/2020 4:20 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 4:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/13/2020 3:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/13/2020 3:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as meaningful as it would seem. We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits and tests 20,000 people *daily*. Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus (and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million. The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300 people a day.* Yet, with a population over 6 times that of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases. How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea? Other factors and initiatives* in the USA seem to be more successful. Someone with a science background would know there aren't enough test kits/results in the USA to determine anything yet. But I am sure the Trumpsters appreciate your never-ending asskissing. My question is what do the tests accomplish that following the recommendations of the medical and scientific community doesn't? That is a completely absurd response. Why is that? Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath calls doctor. Doctor says, "you need to self-quarantine" for 14 days.* If it gets worse, call me again." Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor and has a "Test".* Test is positive. Doctor then says, "you need to self-quarantine for 14 days. If it gets worse, call me again." Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor and has a "Test".* Test is negative. Doctor then says, "you don't have the coronavirus now but please follow all the recommendations of the medical/scientific community, limiting your exposure to large crowds.* But, it's still very possible you'll end up becoming infected." What did the test accomplish? Simply: 1. Your "diagnosis" covers more than the corona ailment. Waiting 14 days might hide an illness and result in more serious condition. Seeing the doctor for a test might help determine the ailment.* 2. You cannot keep track of an ailment like corona without accurate statistics. 3. If there is a large outbreak in a particular geo area, you want to send resources there. The test results help determine that. *** Cough, which may produce greenish,****************** yellow or even bloody mucus. **** Fever, sweating and shaking chills. **** Shortness of breath. **** Rapid, shallow breathing. DIAGNOSIS: PNEUMONIA. But stay at home for 14 days... Ok.* Got me there.* But, my virtual doc also said, "Call me back if it gets worse". I still think the emphasis being placed on the test kit availability is being overblown.* If people just followed the recommendations that are being pounded into our heads daily, along with temporarily restricting travel from countries with a major number of cases, eventually the virus will burn itself out because it's ability to transfer to others is minimized. If people choose to ignore the recommendations, it will just continue to spread, test or no test. If you are paying attention to the trend agencies like the CDC and WHO are taking ... personal responsibility is what they are emphasizing more and more. Oh ... one after thought .... The test kits in question are specifically for the coronavirus. Visiting a doctor may uncover another issue as in your example of pneumonia, but that isn't the purpose nor the controversy surrounding the lack of kits. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/13/2020 4:20 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 4:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/13/2020 3:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/13/2020 3:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as meaningful as it would seem. We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits and tests 20,000 people *daily*. Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus (and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million. The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300 people a day.* Yet, with a population over 6 times that of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases. How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea? Other factors and initiatives* in the USA seem to be more successful. Someone with a science background would know there aren't enough test kits/results in the USA to determine anything yet. But I am sure the Trumpsters appreciate your never-ending asskissing. My question is what do the tests accomplish that following the recommendations of the medical and scientific community doesn't? That is a completely absurd response. Why is that? Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath calls doctor. Doctor says, "you need to self-quarantine" for 14 days.* If it gets worse, call me again." Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor and has a "Test".* Test is positive. Doctor then says, "you need to self-quarantine for 14 days. If it gets worse, call me again." Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor and has a "Test".* Test is negative. Doctor then says, "you don't have the coronavirus now but please follow all the recommendations of the medical/scientific community, limiting your exposure to large crowds.* But, it's still very possible you'll end up becoming infected." What did the test accomplish? Simply: 1. Your "diagnosis" covers more than the corona ailment. Waiting 14 days might hide an illness and result in more serious condition. Seeing the doctor for a test might help determine the ailment.* 2. You cannot keep track of an ailment like corona without accurate statistics. 3. If there is a large outbreak in a particular geo area, you want to send resources there. The test results help determine that. *** Cough, which may produce greenish,****************** yellow or even bloody mucus. *** Fever, sweating and shaking chills. *** Shortness of breath. *** Rapid, shallow breathing. DIAGNOSIS: PNEUMONIA. But stay at home for 14 days... Ok. Got me there. But, my virtual doc also said, "Call me back if it gets worse". I still think the emphasis being placed on the test kit availability is being overblown. If people just followed the recommendations that are being pounded into our heads daily, along with temporarily restricting travel from countries with a major number of cases, eventually the virus will burn itself out because it's ability to transfer to others is minimized. If people choose to ignore the recommendations, it will just continue to spread, test or no test. If you are paying attention to the trend agencies like the CDC and WHO are taking ... personal responsibility is what they are emphasizing more and more. Harry likes the new world. Go to the doctor for every little thing. We seem to have survived in my youth not going to the doctor to be told “yes, you have a cold”. No go to the doctor and get rid of your cold in 7 days by giving it to the 7 people in the doctors waiting room. |
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On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 16:39:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 3/13/2020 4:20 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 4:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/13/2020 3:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/13/2020 3:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as meaningful as it would seem. We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits and tests 20,000 people *daily*. Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus (and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million. The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300 people a day.* Yet, with a population over 6 times that of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases. How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea? Other factors and initiatives* in the USA seem to be more successful. Someone with a science background would know there aren't enough test kits/results in the USA to determine anything yet. But I am sure the Trumpsters appreciate your never-ending asskissing. My question is what do the tests accomplish that following the recommendations of the medical and scientific community doesn't? That is a completely absurd response. Why is that? Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath calls doctor. Doctor says, "you need to self-quarantine" for 14 days.* If it gets worse, call me again." Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor and has a "Test".* Test is positive. Doctor then says, "you need to self-quarantine for 14 days. If it gets worse, call me again." Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor and has a "Test".* Test is negative. Doctor then says, "you don't have the coronavirus now but please follow all the recommendations of the medical/scientific community, limiting your exposure to large crowds.* But, it's still very possible you'll end up becoming infected." What did the test accomplish? Simply: 1. Your "diagnosis" covers more than the corona ailment. Waiting 14 days might hide an illness and result in more serious condition. Seeing the doctor for a test might help determine the ailment.* 2. You cannot keep track of an ailment like corona without accurate statistics. 3. If there is a large outbreak in a particular geo area, you want to send resources there. The test results help determine that. *** Cough, which may produce greenish,****************** yellow or even bloody mucus. *** Fever, sweating and shaking chills. *** Shortness of breath. *** Rapid, shallow breathing. DIAGNOSIS: PNEUMONIA. But stay at home for 14 days... Ok. Got me there. But, my virtual doc also said, "Call me back if it gets worse". I still think the emphasis being placed on the test kit availability is being overblown. If people just followed the recommendations that are being pounded into our heads daily, along with temporarily restricting travel from countries with a major number of cases, eventually the virus will burn itself out because it's ability to transfer to others is minimized. If people choose to ignore the recommendations, it will just continue to spread, test or no test. If you are paying attention to the trend agencies like the CDC and WHO are taking ... personal responsibility is what they are emphasizing more and more. Lee Health, the dominant conglomerate here, says they have plenty of test kits. They are still discouraging being tested if you don't have some very specific symptoms. I think they are afraid of the "toilet paper" problem among hypochondriacs with all inclusive health insurance plans who would get tested every week if we would let them. |
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On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 4:39:50 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/13/2020 4:20 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 4:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/13/2020 3:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/13/2020 3:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as meaningful as it would seem. We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits and tests 20,000 people *daily*. Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus (and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million. The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300 people a day.* Yet, with a population over 6 times that of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases. How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea? Other factors and initiatives* in the USA seem to be more successful. Someone with a science background would know there aren't enough test kits/results in the USA to determine anything yet. But I am sure the Trumpsters appreciate your never-ending asskissing. My question is what do the tests accomplish that following the recommendations of the medical and scientific community doesn't? That is a completely absurd response. Why is that? Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath calls doctor. Doctor says, "you need to self-quarantine" for 14 days.* If it gets worse, call me again." Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor and has a "Test".* Test is positive. Doctor then says, "you need to self-quarantine for 14 days. If it gets worse, call me again." Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor and has a "Test".* Test is negative. Doctor then says, "you don't have the coronavirus now but please follow all the recommendations of the medical/scientific community, limiting your exposure to large crowds.* But, it's still very possible you'll end up becoming infected." What did the test accomplish? Simply: 1. Your "diagnosis" covers more than the corona ailment. Waiting 14 days might hide an illness and result in more serious condition. Seeing the doctor for a test might help determine the ailment.* 2. You cannot keep track of an ailment like corona without accurate statistics. 3. If there is a large outbreak in a particular geo area, you want to send resources there. The test results help determine that. *** Cough, which may produce greenish,****************** yellow or even bloody mucus. *** Fever, sweating and shaking chills. *** Shortness of breath. *** Rapid, shallow breathing. DIAGNOSIS: PNEUMONIA. But stay at home for 14 days... Ok. Got me there. But, my virtual doc also said, "Call me back if it gets worse". I still think the emphasis being placed on the test kit availability is being overblown. If people just followed the recommendations that are being pounded into our heads daily, along with temporarily restricting travel from countries with a major number of cases, eventually the virus will burn itself out because it's ability to transfer to others is minimized. If people choose to ignore the recommendations, it will just continue to spread, test or no test. If you are paying attention to the trend agencies like the CDC and WHO are taking ... personal responsibility is what they are emphasizing more and more. Besides, coronavirus is a *dry* cough. Your virtual doc would ask, "Is your cough productive"? |
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On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 16:20:54 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 3/13/20 4:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/13/2020 3:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 3:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/13/2020 3:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/13/20 2:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I think the complaints about the lack of Test Kits in the USA is a lot of noise but may not be as meaningful as it would seem. We are reminded daily that South Korea produced kits and tests 20,000 people *daily*. Yet, South Korea has 7,979 confirmed cases of coronavirus (and still rising) in a population of 51.5 million. The USA with a shortage of kits is only testing 200-300 people a day.* Yet, with a population over 6 times that of South Korea, the USA has about 1,600 confirmed cases. How is the availability of test kits helping South Korea? Other factors and initiatives* in the USA seem to be more successful. Someone with a science background would know there aren't enough test kits/results in the USA to determine anything yet. But I am sure the Trumpsters appreciate your never-ending asskissing. My question is what do the tests accomplish that following the recommendations of the medical and scientific community doesn't? That is a completely absurd response. Why is that? Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath calls doctor. Doctor says, "you need to self-quarantine" for 14 days.* If it gets worse, call me again." Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor and has a "Test".* Test is positive. Doctor then says, "you need to self-quarantine for 14 days. If it gets worse, call me again." Patient with cough, fever and shortness of breath visits doctor and has a "Test".* Test is negative. Doctor then says, "you don't have the coronavirus now but please follow all the recommendations of the medical/scientific community, limiting your exposure to large crowds.* But, it's still very possible you'll end up becoming infected." What did the test accomplish? Simply: 1. Your "diagnosis" covers more than the corona ailment. Waiting 14 days might hide an illness and result in more serious condition. Seeing the doctor for a test might help determine the ailment.* 2. You cannot keep track of an ailment like corona without accurate statistics. 3. If there is a large outbreak in a particular geo area, you want to send resources there. The test results help determine that. * Cough, which may produce greenish, yellow or even bloody mucus. Fever, sweating and shaking chills. Shortness of breath. Rapid, shallow breathing. DIAGNOSIS: PNEUMONIA. But stay at home for 14 days... Most people who are not special like you probably can't get in to see a doctor for 14 days anyway, particularly now. |
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