On 3/11/20 4:36 PM, Bill wrote:
Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:57:57 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:


This is a simple and excellent graph that illustrates how
the response to the coronavirus issue is being handled.

The idea that it can be 100% contained is unrealistic.
It's going to spread .... as it has.

The goal is to control as much as possible the rate
that it spreads so the healthcare facilities and systems
are not overwhelmed.

The peak (in orange) is what happened in China.
The goal of the CDC is the second peak.

Despite all the hype, fears and finger-pointing
(political) this graph is spot on.


https://funkyimg.com/i/331q1.jpg


Heard this morning news that the death rate is 10x flu rate.

Based on what? There is no good estimate of the denominator. For many
folks, the symptoms are no
worse than a cold, and the illness never gets reported. Of course, those
facts don't assist in
Trump-bashing, so not mentioned.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!


Faux news? Was a news report. The flu this year seems to be nasty
version. Wife seems to have flu, and we had flu shots. Doctor on video
chat figured flu. COVID is a version of SARS, so most likely the death
rate is higher. And older people have more breathing problems anyway.

COVID-19 seems a lot more serious than the flu, especially for older
people and those with certain already existing conditions. Pooh-poohing
it, as some Trumpsters do, is just more of their absurdity.

I've never tried "video chat" to consult with a doctor. Are you pleased
with the experience and results? If I visit my doc for any reason, I get
prodded and poked, my BP, Blood Oxy are checked and she/he listens to my
heart/lungs. Hard to do that from afar, and what if you need a blood test?

On 3/11/2020 6:33 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/11/20 4:36 PM, Bill wrote:
Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:57:57 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:


This is a simple and excellent graph that illustrates how
the response to the coronavirus issue is being handled.

The idea that it can be 100% contained is unrealistic.
It's going to spread .... as it has.

The goal is to control as much as possible the rate
that it spreads so the healthcare facilities and systems
are not overwhelmed.

The peak (in orange) is what happened in China.
The goal of the CDC is the second peak.

Despite all the hype, fears and finger-pointing
(political) this graph is spot on.


https://funkyimg.com/i/331q1.jpg


Heard this morning news that the death rate is 10x flu rate.

Based on what? There is no good estimate of the denominator. For many
folks, the symptoms are no
worse than a cold, and the illness never gets reported. Of course, those
facts don't assist in
Trump-bashing, so not mentioned.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!


Faux news?Â*Â* Was a news report.Â* The flu this year seems to be nasty
version.Â* Wife seems to have flu, and we had flu shots.Â* Doctor on video
chat figured flu.Â*Â* COVID is a version of SARS, so most likely the death
rate is higher.Â* And older people have more breathing problems anyway.

COVID-19 seems a lot more serious than the flu, especially for older
people and those with certain already existing conditions. Pooh-poohing
it, as some Trumpsters do, is just more of their absurdity.

I've never tried "video chat" to consult with a doctor. Are you pleased
with the experience and results? If I visit my doc for any reason, I get
prodded and poked, my BP, Blood Oxy are checked and she/he listens to my
heart/lungs. Hard to do that from afar, and what if you need a blood test?




I was notified that I can opt for a video appointment at my next
scheduled visit to the VA. Normally I pick up "slips" at the VA
clinic and take them to Quest for blood to be drawn and analyzed.
Quest electronically reports back to my primary care with the results
within a day.

For the video appointment option, the VA will contact Quest authorizing
the blood work to be done. I just go to Quest, give the blood, then
sign in for the video thing when scheduled.

My Primary Care person wanted to do this a few months ago just to see
how I was doing with some medication she prescribed. I told her I'd
have to take the electrical tape off the camera on my computer.
She laughed and said she'd just give me a telephone call instead.





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On 3/11/20 6:28 PM, Bill wrote:
Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 20:36:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:57:57 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:


This is a simple and excellent graph that illustrates how
the response to the coronavirus issue is being handled.

The idea that it can be 100% contained is unrealistic.
It's going to spread .... as it has.

The goal is to control as much as possible the rate
that it spreads so the healthcare facilities and systems
are not overwhelmed.

The peak (in orange) is what happened in China.
The goal of the CDC is the second peak.

Despite all the hype, fears and finger-pointing
(political) this graph is spot on.


https://funkyimg.com/i/331q1.jpg


Heard this morning news that the death rate is 10x flu rate.

Based on what? There is no good estimate of the denominator. For many
folks, the symptoms are no
worse than a cold, and the illness never gets reported. Of course, those
facts don't assist in
Trump-bashing, so not mentioned.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!


Faux news? Was a news report. The flu this year seems to be nasty
version. Wife seems to have flu, and we had flu shots. Doctor on video
chat figured flu. COVID is a version of SARS, so most likely the death
rate is higher. And older people have more breathing problems anyway.

We're losing 4-10K per month to the flu. Doesn't make the news though. Not a good source of
Trump-bashing.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm
--

Freedom Isn't Free!


But look at the percentage. 34 million cases with 20 thousand deaths is
.05%. cOVID-19 is 1-8% deaths. 34 million at 2% would be 680,000 deaths.



Sadly, we are all in the high risk group...but I read somewhere it hits
Trumpsters the hardest. (No, I didn't...that's just a bit of funning
on my part.)

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On 3/11/20 6:28 PM, Bill wrote: Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 20:36:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:57:57 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: This is a simple and excellent graph that illustrates how the response to the coronavirus issue is being handled. The idea that it can be 100% contained is unrealistic. It's going to spread .... as it has. The goal is to control as much as possible the rate that it spreads so the healthcare facilities and systems are not overwhelmed. The peak (in orange) is what happened in China. The goal of the CDC is the second peak. Despite all the hype, fears and finger-pointing (political) this graph is spot on. https://funkyimg.com/i/331q1.jpg Heard this morning news that the death rate is 10x flu rate. Based on what? There is no good estimate of the denominator. For many folks, the symptoms are no worse than a cold, and the illness never gets reported. Of course, those facts don't assist in Trump-bashing, so not mentioned. -- Freedom Isn't Free! Faux news? Was a news report. The flu this year seems to be nasty version. Wife seems to have flu, and we had flu shots. Doctor on video chat figured flu. COVID is a version of SARS, so most likely the death rate is higher. And older people have more breathing problems anyway. We're losing 4-10K per month to the flu. Doesn't make the news though. Not a good source of Trump-bashing. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm -- Freedom Isn't Free! But look at the percentage. 34 million cases with 20 thousand deaths is .05%. cOVID-19 is 1-8% deaths. 34 million at 2% would be 680,000 deaths. Sadly, we are all in the high risk group...but I read somewhere it hits Trumpsters the hardest. (No, I didn't...that's just a bit of funning on my part.)

You're definately a sickie, Fat Harry.
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On 3/11/20 6:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/11/2020 6:33 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/11/20 4:36 PM, Bill wrote:
Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:57:57 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:


This is a simple and excellent graph that illustrates how
the response to the coronavirus issue is being handled.

The idea that it can be 100% contained is unrealistic.
It's going to spread .... as it has.

The goal is to control as much as possible the rate
that it spreads so the healthcare facilities and systems
are not overwhelmed.

The peak (in orange) is what happened in China.
The goal of the CDC is the second peak.

Despite all the hype, fears and finger-pointing
(political) this graph is spot on.


https://funkyimg.com/i/331q1.jpg


Heard this morning news that the death rate is 10x flu rate.

Based on what? There is no good estimate of the denominator. For many
folks, the symptoms are no
worse than a cold, and the illness never gets reported. Of course,
those
facts don't assist in
Trump-bashing, so not mentioned.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!


Faux news?Â*Â* Was a news report.Â* The flu this year seems to be nasty
version.Â* Wife seems to have flu, and we had flu shots.Â* Doctor on video
chat figured flu.Â*Â* COVID is a version of SARS, so most likely the death
rate is higher.Â* And older people have more breathing problems anyway.

COVID-19 seems a lot more serious than the flu, especially for older
people and those with certain already existing conditions.
Pooh-poohing it, as some Trumpsters do, is just more of their absurdity.

I've never tried "video chat" to consult with a doctor. Are you
pleased with the experience and results? If I visit my doc for any
reason, I get prodded and poked, my BP, Blood Oxy are checked and
she/he listens to my heart/lungs. Hard to do that from afar, and what
if you need a blood test?




I was notified that I can opt for a video appointment at my next
scheduled visit to the VA.Â* Normally I pick up "slips" at the VA
clinic and take them to Quest for blood to be drawn and analyzed.
Quest electronically reports back to my primary care with the results
within a day.

For the video appointment option, the VA will contact Quest authorizing
the blood work to be done.Â* I just go to Quest, give the blood, then
sign in for the video thing when scheduled.

My Primary Care person wanted to do this a few months ago just to see
how I was doing with some medication she prescribed.Â* I told her I'd
have to take the electrical tape off the camera on my computer.
She laughed and said she'd just give me a telephone call instead.


LabCorp has a small office and a registered nurse stationed within the
offices of the medical practice I use. Literally across a parking lot,
LabCorp has a pretty big lab it uses to service various health
facilities in the area, so the practice I see gets results the same day
if the tests are taken in the morning. There are a lot of medical
practitioners within a mile or two miles of our regional hospital.

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 14:36:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/11/2020 2:21 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 07:34:30 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



This is a simple and excellent graph that illustrates how
the response to the coronavirus issue is being handled.

The idea that it can be 100% contained is unrealistic.
It's going to spread .... as it has.

The goal is to control as much as possible the rate
that it spreads so the healthcare facilities and systems
are not overwhelmed.

The peak (in orange) is what happened in China.
The goal of the CDC is the second peak.

Despite all the hype, fears and finger-pointing
(political) this graph is spot on.


https://funkyimg.com/i/331q1.jpg

Essentially they are still saying the same number of people will be
infected, they just want to spread it out over a longer time. It is
like pulling off a band aid. Do you want to do it slowly or just yank
it off and get over it. I think we will all get it eventually.
The current prediction is that this sill slow down considerably in the
summer and come back with a vengeance next winter.



I think the point demonstrated in the graph is how to manage the
spread without overwhelming healthcare facilities and capabilities.
Otherwise, what happened in China will happen everywhere. It appears
that Italy and Iran are getting close.

All in all, the USA is managing. Over 1.000 confirmed so far with about
28 deaths ... mostly people in their 80's with pre-existing conditions.

Maybe it is time to short your nursing home stock.

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 16:53:34 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 20:36:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:57:57 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:


This is a simple and excellent graph that illustrates how
the response to the coronavirus issue is being handled.

The idea that it can be 100% contained is unrealistic.
It's going to spread .... as it has.

The goal is to control as much as possible the rate
that it spreads so the healthcare facilities and systems
are not overwhelmed.

The peak (in orange) is what happened in China.
The goal of the CDC is the second peak.

Despite all the hype, fears and finger-pointing
(political) this graph is spot on.


https://funkyimg.com/i/331q1.jpg


Heard this morning news that the death rate is 10x flu rate.

Based on what? There is no good estimate of the denominator. For many
folks, the symptoms are no
worse than a cold, and the illness never gets reported. Of course, those
facts don't assist in
Trump-bashing, so not mentioned.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!


Faux news? Was a news report. The flu this year seems to be nasty
version. Wife seems to have flu, and we had flu shots. Doctor on video
chat figured flu. COVID is a version of SARS, so most likely the death
rate is higher. And older people have more breathing problems anyway.

We're losing 4-10K per month to the flu. Doesn't make the news though. Not a good source of
Trump-bashing.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm


Maybe it is time to go rent a 300 cu/ft oxygen tank and buy a medical
regulator or two. Having oxygen might make the difference between
living or dying if you get sick. I have a full 80 and a 20 in the
garage but I am not sure how long they last. I do have the regulators
and flow gauges too.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/11/20 4:36 PM, Bill wrote:
Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:57:57 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:


This is a simple and excellent graph that illustrates how
the response to the coronavirus issue is being handled.

The idea that it can be 100% contained is unrealistic.
It's going to spread .... as it has.

The goal is to control as much as possible the rate
that it spreads so the healthcare facilities and systems
are not overwhelmed.

The peak (in orange) is what happened in China.
The goal of the CDC is the second peak.

Despite all the hype, fears and finger-pointing
(political) this graph is spot on.


https://funkyimg.com/i/331q1.jpg


Heard this morning news that the death rate is 10x flu rate.

Based on what? There is no good estimate of the denominator. For many
folks, the symptoms are no
worse than a cold, and the illness never gets reported. Of course, those
facts don't assist in
Trump-bashing, so not mentioned.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!


Faux news? Was a news report. The flu this year seems to be nasty
version. Wife seems to have flu, and we had flu shots. Doctor on video
chat figured flu. COVID is a version of SARS, so most likely the death
rate is higher. And older people have more breathing problems anyway.

COVID-19 seems a lot more serious than the flu, especially for older
people and those with certain already existing conditions. Pooh-poohing
it, as some Trumpsters do, is just more of their absurdity.

I've never tried "video chat" to consult with a doctor. Are you pleased
with the experience and results? If I visit my doc for any reason, I get
prodded and poked, my BP, Blood Oxy are checked and she/he listens to my
heart/lungs. Hard to do that from afar, and what if you need a blood test?




Yes and no on the video chat. New for our system. They neglected to
inform us we had to call in at the set time, we were wait for a call from
them. Missed the first appointment. Sound was bad. The first was a NP
who got the symptoms and facts. Then the doctor came on and discussed the
problem. 99.99% flu. Saved going to the clinic and exposing others to
the whatever and exposing the wife to sick people at the clinic. Overall,
seems good. Depends what you have.

wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 16:53:34 -0400, Adorable Deplorable
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 20:36:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:57:57 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:


This is a simple and excellent graph that illustrates how
the response to the coronavirus issue is being handled.

The idea that it can be 100% contained is unrealistic.
It's going to spread .... as it has.

The goal is to control as much as possible the rate
that it spreads so the healthcare facilities and systems
are not overwhelmed.

The peak (in orange) is what happened in China.
The goal of the CDC is the second peak.

Despite all the hype, fears and finger-pointing
(political) this graph is spot on.


https://funkyimg.com/i/331q1.jpg


Heard this morning news that the death rate is 10x flu rate.

Based on what? There is no good estimate of the denominator. For many
folks, the symptoms are no
worse than a cold, and the illness never gets reported. Of course, those
facts don't assist in
Trump-bashing, so not mentioned.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!


Faux news? Was a news report. The flu this year seems to be nasty
version. Wife seems to have flu, and we had flu shots. Doctor on video
chat figured flu. COVID is a version of SARS, so most likely the death
rate is higher. And older people have more breathing problems anyway.

We're losing 4-10K per month to the flu. Doesn't make the news though.
Not a good source of
Trump-bashing.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm


Maybe it is time to go rent a 300 cu/ft oxygen tank and buy a medical
regulator or two. Having oxygen might make the difference between
living or dying if you get sick. I have a full 80 and a 20 in the
garage but I am not sure how long they last. I do have the regulators
and flow gauges too.


Better have some strong friends for a 300 tank.

On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 18:33:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/11/20 4:36 PM, Bill wrote:
Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:57:57 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:


This is a simple and excellent graph that illustrates how
the response to the coronavirus issue is being handled.

The idea that it can be 100% contained is unrealistic.
It's going to spread .... as it has.

The goal is to control as much as possible the rate
that it spreads so the healthcare facilities and systems
are not overwhelmed.

The peak (in orange) is what happened in China.
The goal of the CDC is the second peak.

Despite all the hype, fears and finger-pointing
(political) this graph is spot on.


https://funkyimg.com/i/331q1.jpg


Heard this morning news that the death rate is 10x flu rate.

Based on what? There is no good estimate of the denominator. For many
folks, the symptoms are no
worse than a cold, and the illness never gets reported. Of course, those
facts don't assist in
Trump-bashing, so not mentioned.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!


Faux news? Was a news report. The flu this year seems to be nasty
version. Wife seems to have flu, and we had flu shots. Doctor on video
chat figured flu. COVID is a version of SARS, so most likely the death
rate is higher. And older people have more breathing problems anyway.

COVID-19 seems a lot more serious than the flu, especially for older
people and those with certain already existing conditions. Pooh-poohing
it, as some Trumpsters do, is just more of their absurdity.

I've never tried "video chat" to consult with a doctor. Are you pleased
with the experience and results? If I visit my doc for any reason, I get
prodded and poked, my BP, Blood Oxy are checked and she/he listens to my
heart/lungs. Hard to do that from afar, and what if you need a blood test?


I have all of the tools to do vital signs, including blood oxygen. I
suppose it is only a matter of time before the phone app comes out to
listen to your heart and lungs. A smart watch already gets most of
your vitals anyway.
I could draw blood, I imagine, if they would send me the kit with the
hose for the bottles. I am not squeamish about poking myself.
We have done the teledoc a few times, mostly my wife and as long as
you just want a prescription, it seems to work OK.
I may be doing it myself with my regular PCP if he will play along. I
have some questions but I don't want to go there. This may be a good
excuse. ;-)