On 10/30/2018 10:05 AM, Tim wrote:

7:35 AMMr. Luddite
On 10/30/2018 6:25 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2018 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:04:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/29/2018 5:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't know what the status of my grandparents was when they "landed"
here and got off the boats. Never discussed it with any of them. All
four of them became citizens at some point.




If they arrived by boat as my grandparents did in 1907, it's doubtful
that they entered the USA illegally. I recently came across my
grandfather's naturalization papers. He arrived from Sweden in 1907 at
the age of 17 and became naturalized in 1916. By then he was
married and had one son, my uncle, who was 10 years older than my
father. My uncle was a marine engineer. He and I shared the same
birthday (Oct 19th) although obviously he was here many years before
me.

More newcomers ;-)



(a little boating content)

Even found a picture of the ship my grandfather arrived on in Boston.

Also found his manifest ... he paid $10 for the voyage from Liverpool,
England via Greenland and then to Boston.

http://funkyimg.com/i/2MCaC.jpg

Interesting ship, Richard. I know those aren't sailing masks. Would those towers be directional for shortwave or radio?



Probably. Records indicate it had "steam quadruple-expansion engines
geared to twin propellers".

I looked it up on Wiki and it turns out it had an interesting history
and fate.

The SS Ivernia was owned by the British Cunard line and was primarily
built to transport immigrants from Europe to Boston and New York. When
WWI broke out it was hired by the British government as a troop transport.

From Wiki:

"In autumn of 1916, William Thomas Turner (made famous for being the
captain of RMS Lusitania at the time of her sinking) was given command.

On 1 January 1917, the Ivernia was carrying some 2,400 British troops
from Marseille to Alexandria, when at 10:12am she was torpedoed by the
German submarine UB-47 58 miles south-east of Cape Matapan in Greece, in
the Kythira Strait. The ship went down fairly quickly with a loss of 36
crew members and 84 troops. Captain Turner, who had been criticized for
not going down with the Lusitania (even though he had believed he was
the last person on board), remained on the bridge until all aboard had
departed in lifeboats and rafts "before striking out to swim as the
vessel went down under his feet."

.........

It’s a colossal amount of tonnage the U-boats put to the bottom of the sea.

I’m sorry the ship was sunk, and sorry for the loss of lives ....



The German sub, UB-47, sank 22 ships during WWI.

.........

It’s a colossal amount of tonnage the U-boats put to the bottom of the sea.

I’m sorry the ship was sunk, and sorry for the loss of lives ....

.............

And that was only 1 U-boat. They truly did rule the seas



The German sub, UB-47, sank 22 ships during WWI.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/30/2018 10:05 AM, Tim wrote:

7:35 AMMr. Luddite
On 10/30/2018 6:25 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2018 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:04:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/29/2018 5:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't know what the status of my grandparents was when they "landed"
here and got off the boats. Never discussed it with any of them. All
four of them became citizens at some point.




If they arrived by boat as my grandparents did in 1907, it's doubtful
that they entered the USA illegally. I recently came across my
grandfather's naturalization papers. He arrived from Sweden in 1907 at
the age of 17 and became naturalized in 1916. By then he was
married and had one son, my uncle, who was 10 years older than my
father. My uncle was a marine engineer. He and I shared the same
birthday (Oct 19th) although obviously he was here many years before
me.

More newcomers ;-)



(a little boating content)

Even found a picture of the ship my grandfather arrived on in Boston.

Also found his manifest ... he paid $10 for the voyage from Liverpool,
England via Greenland and then to Boston.

http://funkyimg.com/i/2MCaC.jpg

Interesting ship, Richard. I know those aren't sailing masks. Would
those towers be directional for shortwave or radio?



Probably. Records indicate it had "steam quadruple-expansion engines
geared to twin propellers".

I looked it up on Wiki and it turns out it had an interesting history
and fate.

The SS Ivernia was owned by the British Cunard line and was primarily
built to transport immigrants from Europe to Boston and New York. When
WWI broke out it was hired by the British government as a troop transport.

From Wiki:

"In autumn of 1916, William Thomas Turner (made famous for being the
captain of RMS Lusitania at the time of her sinking) was given command.

On 1 January 1917, the Ivernia was carrying some 2,400 British troops
from Marseille to Alexandria, when at 10:12am she was torpedoed by the
German submarine UB-47 58 miles south-east of Cape Matapan in Greece, in
the Kythira Strait. The ship went down fairly quickly with a loss of 36
crew members and 84 troops. Captain Turner, who had been criticized for
not going down with the Lusitania (even though he had believed he was
the last person on board), remained on the bridge until all aboard had
departed in lifeboats and rafts "before striking out to swim as the
vessel went down under his feet."

.........

It’s a colossal amount of tonnage the U-boats put to the bottom of the sea.

I’m sorry the ship was sunk, and sorry for the loss of lives ....



The German sub, UB-47, sank 22 ships during WWI.

Was it torpedoed or shelled. Most of the Uboat WW1 activity was with the
deck gun from what I understand. Was not removed until sometime after the
start of WW2.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 03:25:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2018 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:04:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/29/2018 5:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't know what the status of my grandparents was when they "landed"
here and got off the boats. Never discussed it with any of them. All
four of them became citizens at some point.




If they arrived by boat as my grandparents did in 1907, it's doubtful
that they entered the USA illegally. I recently came across my
grandfather's naturalization papers. He arrived from Sweden in 1907 at
the age of 17 and became naturalized in 1916. By then he was
married and had one son, my uncle, who was 10 years older than my
father. My uncle was a marine engineer. He and I shared the same
birthday (Oct 19th) although obviously he was here many years before
me.

More newcomers ;-)



(a little boating content)

Even found a picture of the ship my grandfather arrived on in Boston.

Also found his manifest ... he paid $10 for the voyage from Liverpool,
England via Greenland and then to Boston.

http://funkyimg.com/i/2MCaC.jpg

Interesting ship, Richard. I know those aren't sailing masks. Would those towers be directional for shortwave or radio?


===

Masts like that are frequently used as cargo booms to lift heavy
objects on and off the boat.

https://maritime.org/doc/merchant/deck/img/pg20.jpg

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On 10/30/2018 12:23 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/30/2018 10:05 AM, Tim wrote:

7:35 AMMr. Luddite
On 10/30/2018 6:25 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2018 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:04:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/29/2018 5:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't know what the status of my grandparents was when they "landed"
here and got off the boats. Never discussed it with any of them. All
four of them became citizens at some point.




If they arrived by boat as my grandparents did in 1907, it's doubtful
that they entered the USA illegally. I recently came across my
grandfather's naturalization papers. He arrived from Sweden in 1907 at
the age of 17 and became naturalized in 1916. By then he was
married and had one son, my uncle, who was 10 years older than my
father. My uncle was a marine engineer. He and I shared the same
birthday (Oct 19th) although obviously he was here many years before
me.

More newcomers ;-)



(a little boating content)

Even found a picture of the ship my grandfather arrived on in Boston.

Also found his manifest ... he paid $10 for the voyage from Liverpool,
England via Greenland and then to Boston.

http://funkyimg.com/i/2MCaC.jpg

Interesting ship, Richard. I know those aren't sailing masks. Would
those towers be directional for shortwave or radio?



Probably. Records indicate it had "steam quadruple-expansion engines
geared to twin propellers".

I looked it up on Wiki and it turns out it had an interesting history
and fate.

The SS Ivernia was owned by the British Cunard line and was primarily
built to transport immigrants from Europe to Boston and New York. When
WWI broke out it was hired by the British government as a troop transport.

From Wiki:

"In autumn of 1916, William Thomas Turner (made famous for being the
captain of RMS Lusitania at the time of her sinking) was given command.

On 1 January 1917, the Ivernia was carrying some 2,400 British troops
from Marseille to Alexandria, when at 10:12am she was torpedoed by the
German submarine UB-47 58 miles south-east of Cape Matapan in Greece, in
the Kythira Strait. The ship went down fairly quickly with a loss of 36
crew members and 84 troops. Captain Turner, who had been criticized for
not going down with the Lusitania (even though he had believed he was
the last person on board), remained on the bridge until all aboard had
departed in lifeboats and rafts "before striking out to swim as the
vessel went down under his feet."

.........

It’s a colossal amount of tonnage the U-boats put to the bottom of the sea.

I’m sorry the ship was sunk, and sorry for the loss of lives ....



The German sub, UB-47, sank 22 ships during WWI.

Was it torpedoed or shelled. Most of the Uboat WW1 activity was with the
deck gun from what I understand. Was not removed until sometime after the
start of WW2.



According to the records, the Ivernia was torpedoed and sunk.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 08:35:03 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/30/2018 6:25 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2018 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:04:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/29/2018 5:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't know what the status of my grandparents was when they "landed"
here and got off the boats. Never discussed it with any of them. All
four of them became citizens at some point.




If they arrived by boat as my grandparents did in 1907, it's doubtful
that they entered the USA illegally. I recently came across my
grandfather's naturalization papers. He arrived from Sweden in 1907 at
the age of 17 and became naturalized in 1916. By then he was
married and had one son, my uncle, who was 10 years older than my
father. My uncle was a marine engineer. He and I shared the same
birthday (Oct 19th) although obviously he was here many years before
me.

More newcomers ;-)



(a little boating content)

Even found a picture of the ship my grandfather arrived on in Boston.

Also found his manifest ... he paid $10 for the voyage from Liverpool,
England via Greenland and then to Boston.

http://funkyimg.com/i/2MCaC.jpg

Interesting ship, Richard. I know those aren't sailing masks. Would those towers be directional for shortwave or radio?



Probably. Records indicate it had "steam quadruple-expansion engines
geared to twin propellers".

I looked it up on Wiki and it turns out it had an interesting history
and fate.

The SS Ivernia was owned by the British Cunard line and was primarily
built to transport immigrants from Europe to Boston and New York. When
WWI broke out it was hired by the British government as a troop transport.

From Wiki:

"In autumn of 1916, William Thomas Turner (made famous for being the
captain of RMS Lusitania at the time of her sinking) was given command.

On 1 January 1917, the Ivernia was carrying some 2,400 British troops
from Marseille to Alexandria, when at 10:12am she was torpedoed by the
German submarine UB-47 58 miles south-east of Cape Matapan in Greece, in
the Kythira Strait. The ship went down fairly quickly with a loss of 36
crew members and 84 troops. Captain Turner, who had been criticized for
not going down with the Lusitania (even though he had believed he was
the last person on board), remained on the bridge until all aboard had
departed in lifeboats and rafts "before striking out to swim as the
vessel went down under his feet."


That is far more rigging than you need for the primitive radio they
had in the 1890s.
I bet it was rigged for sails and they just never used them.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:23:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/30/2018 10:05 AM, Tim wrote:

7:35 AMMr. Luddite
On 10/30/2018 6:25 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2018 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:04:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/29/2018 5:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't know what the status of my grandparents was when they "landed"
here and got off the boats. Never discussed it with any of them. All
four of them became citizens at some point.




If they arrived by boat as my grandparents did in 1907, it's doubtful
that they entered the USA illegally. I recently came across my
grandfather's naturalization papers. He arrived from Sweden in 1907 at
the age of 17 and became naturalized in 1916. By then he was
married and had one son, my uncle, who was 10 years older than my
father. My uncle was a marine engineer. He and I shared the same
birthday (Oct 19th) although obviously he was here many years before
me.

More newcomers ;-)



(a little boating content)

Even found a picture of the ship my grandfather arrived on in Boston.

Also found his manifest ... he paid $10 for the voyage from Liverpool,
England via Greenland and then to Boston.

http://funkyimg.com/i/2MCaC.jpg

Interesting ship, Richard. I know those aren't sailing masks. Would
those towers be directional for shortwave or radio?



Probably. Records indicate it had "steam quadruple-expansion engines
geared to twin propellers".

I looked it up on Wiki and it turns out it had an interesting history
and fate.

The SS Ivernia was owned by the British Cunard line and was primarily
built to transport immigrants from Europe to Boston and New York. When
WWI broke out it was hired by the British government as a troop transport.

From Wiki:

"In autumn of 1916, William Thomas Turner (made famous for being the
captain of RMS Lusitania at the time of her sinking) was given command.

On 1 January 1917, the Ivernia was carrying some 2,400 British troops
from Marseille to Alexandria, when at 10:12am she was torpedoed by the
German submarine UB-47 58 miles south-east of Cape Matapan in Greece, in
the Kythira Strait. The ship went down fairly quickly with a loss of 36
crew members and 84 troops. Captain Turner, who had been criticized for
not going down with the Lusitania (even though he had believed he was
the last person on board), remained on the bridge until all aboard had
departed in lifeboats and rafts "before striking out to swim as the
vessel went down under his feet."

.........

It’s a colossal amount of tonnage the U-boats put to the bottom of the sea.

I’m sorry the ship was sunk, and sorry for the loss of lives ....



The German sub, UB-47, sank 22 ships during WWI.

Was it torpedoed or shelled. Most of the Uboat WW1 activity was with the
deck gun from what I understand. Was not removed until sometime after the
start of WW2.

Yup the later ones ditched the gun for better underwater speed.
Some started looking more like what the Russians were running up into
the 60s and 70s like a Foxtrot.
This one is down the road a few hundred miles from you in San Diego
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...trot%20sub.jpg

On 10/30/2018 3:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:23:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/30/2018 10:05 AM, Tim wrote:

7:35 AMMr. Luddite
On 10/30/2018 6:25 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2018 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:04:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/29/2018 5:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't know what the status of my grandparents was when they "landed"
here and got off the boats. Never discussed it with any of them. All
four of them became citizens at some point.




If they arrived by boat as my grandparents did in 1907, it's doubtful
that they entered the USA illegally. I recently came across my
grandfather's naturalization papers. He arrived from Sweden in 1907 at
the age of 17 and became naturalized in 1916. By then he was
married and had one son, my uncle, who was 10 years older than my
father. My uncle was a marine engineer. He and I shared the same
birthday (Oct 19th) although obviously he was here many years before
me.

More newcomers ;-)



(a little boating content)

Even found a picture of the ship my grandfather arrived on in Boston.

Also found his manifest ... he paid $10 for the voyage from Liverpool,
England via Greenland and then to Boston.

http://funkyimg.com/i/2MCaC.jpg

Interesting ship, Richard. I know those aren't sailing masks. Would
those towers be directional for shortwave or radio?



Probably. Records indicate it had "steam quadruple-expansion engines
geared to twin propellers".

I looked it up on Wiki and it turns out it had an interesting history
and fate.

The SS Ivernia was owned by the British Cunard line and was primarily
built to transport immigrants from Europe to Boston and New York. When
WWI broke out it was hired by the British government as a troop transport.

From Wiki:

"In autumn of 1916, William Thomas Turner (made famous for being the
captain of RMS Lusitania at the time of her sinking) was given command.

On 1 January 1917, the Ivernia was carrying some 2,400 British troops
from Marseille to Alexandria, when at 10:12am she was torpedoed by the
German submarine UB-47 58 miles south-east of Cape Matapan in Greece, in
the Kythira Strait. The ship went down fairly quickly with a loss of 36
crew members and 84 troops. Captain Turner, who had been criticized for
not going down with the Lusitania (even though he had believed he was
the last person on board), remained on the bridge until all aboard had
departed in lifeboats and rafts "before striking out to swim as the
vessel went down under his feet."

.........

It’s a colossal amount of tonnage the U-boats put to the bottom of the sea.

I’m sorry the ship was sunk, and sorry for the loss of lives ....



The German sub, UB-47, sank 22 ships during WWI.

Was it torpedoed or shelled. Most of the Uboat WW1 activity was with the
deck gun from what I understand. Was not removed until sometime after the
start of WW2.

Yup the later ones ditched the gun for better underwater speed.
Some started looking more like what the Russians were running up into
the 60s and 70s like a Foxtrot.
This one is down the road a few hundred miles from you in San Diego
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...trot%20sub.jpg



I remember visiting San Diego and seeing that sub, the old sailing ship
and the big white boat in the background. It's a restaurant or
something, IIRC.

wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:23:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/30/2018 10:05 AM, Tim wrote:

7:35 AMMr. Luddite
On 10/30/2018 6:25 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2018 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:04:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/29/2018 5:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't know what the status of my grandparents was when they "landed"
here and got off the boats. Never discussed it with any of them. All
four of them became citizens at some point.




If they arrived by boat as my grandparents did in 1907, it's doubtful
that they entered the USA illegally. I recently came across my
grandfather's naturalization papers. He arrived from Sweden in 1907 at
the age of 17 and became naturalized in 1916. By then he was
married and had one son, my uncle, who was 10 years older than my
father. My uncle was a marine engineer. He and I shared the same
birthday (Oct 19th) although obviously he was here many years before
me.

More newcomers ;-)



(a little boating content)

Even found a picture of the ship my grandfather arrived on in Boston.

Also found his manifest ... he paid $10 for the voyage from Liverpool,
England via Greenland and then to Boston.

http://funkyimg.com/i/2MCaC.jpg

Interesting ship, Richard. I know those aren't sailing masks. Would
those towers be directional for shortwave or radio?



Probably. Records indicate it had "steam quadruple-expansion engines
geared to twin propellers".

I looked it up on Wiki and it turns out it had an interesting history
and fate.

The SS Ivernia was owned by the British Cunard line and was primarily
built to transport immigrants from Europe to Boston and New York. When
WWI broke out it was hired by the British government as a troop transport.

From Wiki:

"In autumn of 1916, William Thomas Turner (made famous for being the
captain of RMS Lusitania at the time of her sinking) was given command.

On 1 January 1917, the Ivernia was carrying some 2,400 British troops
from Marseille to Alexandria, when at 10:12am she was torpedoed by the
German submarine UB-47 58 miles south-east of Cape Matapan in Greece, in
the Kythira Strait. The ship went down fairly quickly with a loss of 36
crew members and 84 troops. Captain Turner, who had been criticized for
not going down with the Lusitania (even though he had believed he was
the last person on board), remained on the bridge until all aboard had
departed in lifeboats and rafts "before striking out to swim as the
vessel went down under his feet."

.........

It’s a colossal amount of tonnage the U-boats put to the bottom of the sea.

I’m sorry the ship was sunk, and sorry for the loss of lives ....



The German sub, UB-47, sank 22 ships during WWI.

Was it torpedoed or shelled. Most of the Uboat WW1 activity was with the
deck gun from what I understand. Was not removed until sometime after the
start of WW2.

Yup the later ones ditched the gun for better underwater speed.
Some started looking more like what the Russians were running up into
the 60s and 70s like a Foxtrot.
This one is down the road a few hundred miles from you in San Diego
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...trot%20sub.jpg


We have one in San Francisco, the Pampanito. Had a friend a few years ago,
since passed. Who was a WW2 submarine officer. May be the only American
to captain a Japanese sub. At end of war they took possession of a sub
that was surrendering. He, 2 other American seaman and a Japanese crew
sailed it to Sea of Japan. I think it is on display in Japan now.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:42:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/30/2018 3:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 16:23:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/30/2018 10:05 AM, Tim wrote:

7:35 AMMr. Luddite
On 10/30/2018 6:25 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2018 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:04:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/29/2018 5:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't know what the status of my grandparents was when they "landed"
here and got off the boats. Never discussed it with any of them. All
four of them became citizens at some point.




If they arrived by boat as my grandparents did in 1907, it's doubtful
that they entered the USA illegally. I recently came across my
grandfather's naturalization papers. He arrived from Sweden in 1907 at
the age of 17 and became naturalized in 1916. By then he was
married and had one son, my uncle, who was 10 years older than my
father. My uncle was a marine engineer. He and I shared the same
birthday (Oct 19th) although obviously he was here many years before
me.

More newcomers ;-)



(a little boating content)

Even found a picture of the ship my grandfather arrived on in Boston.

Also found his manifest ... he paid $10 for the voyage from Liverpool,
England via Greenland and then to Boston.

http://funkyimg.com/i/2MCaC.jpg

Interesting ship, Richard. I know those aren't sailing masks. Would
those towers be directional for shortwave or radio?



Probably. Records indicate it had "steam quadruple-expansion engines
geared to twin propellers".

I looked it up on Wiki and it turns out it had an interesting history
and fate.

The SS Ivernia was owned by the British Cunard line and was primarily
built to transport immigrants from Europe to Boston and New York. When
WWI broke out it was hired by the British government as a troop transport.

From Wiki:

"In autumn of 1916, William Thomas Turner (made famous for being the
captain of RMS Lusitania at the time of her sinking) was given command.

On 1 January 1917, the Ivernia was carrying some 2,400 British troops
from Marseille to Alexandria, when at 10:12am she was torpedoed by the
German submarine UB-47 58 miles south-east of Cape Matapan in Greece, in
the Kythira Strait. The ship went down fairly quickly with a loss of 36
crew members and 84 troops. Captain Turner, who had been criticized for
not going down with the Lusitania (even though he had believed he was
the last person on board), remained on the bridge until all aboard had
departed in lifeboats and rafts "before striking out to swim as the
vessel went down under his feet."

.........

It’s a colossal amount of tonnage the U-boats put to the bottom of the sea.

I’m sorry the ship was sunk, and sorry for the loss of lives ....



The German sub, UB-47, sank 22 ships during WWI.

Was it torpedoed or shelled. Most of the Uboat WW1 activity was with the
deck gun from what I understand. Was not removed until sometime after the
start of WW2.

Yup the later ones ditched the gun for better underwater speed.
Some started looking more like what the Russians were running up into
the 60s and 70s like a Foxtrot.
This one is down the road a few hundred miles from you in San Diego
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...trot%20sub.jpg



I remember visiting San Diego and seeing that sub, the old sailing ship
and the big white boat in the background. It's a restaurant or
something, IIRC.


HMS Surprise is just another marine museum exhibit.
After dragging them around the Midway, the girls were done with boats
so I did not go aboard.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...rise%20bow.jpg

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/california/...%20gangway.jpg