Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/29/18 4:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/29/2018 4:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/29/18 4:23 PM, wrote: On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 15:48:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I don't really care what he says. I am more interested in what he does. What has your party done lately? The democrats seem to be calling for civil disobedience and harassment of people they don't like. Ernst Röhm would be proud of them. No surprise to me you righties embrace Trump's nationalism and his hatred of religious, racial, and ethnic minorities once he finishes reading his faked compassion off the teleprompter, and then try to protect it onto the Dems for complaining about it. This is nothing but a narrative that your party has been squealing about since November of 2016 and is repeated so often that some even believe it must be true. So when is your party going to go on record regarding more immediate issues like the caravan marching towards the border and another already 3,000 strong beginning their march to Mexico and ultimately to the US border? Their silence is deafening. I suppose if I were a Trumpite with half a working brain, I'd be "working" overtime to try to find ways to rationalize Trump's racism and other pig-like behavior. As for the refugees, I'm not overly concerned about a few thousand Central Americans coming north for the opportunity to leave behind the horrors of their homelands and find decent menial work and safety for themselves and their children in the U.S.A. My grandparents on both sides did the same thing.

Illegals all. No wonder you have no respect for the role of law.
It's in your genes.
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 17:53:52 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:On 10/29/18 5:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/29/2018 4:55 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/29/18 4:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/29/2018 4:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/29/18 4:23 PM, wrote: On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 15:48:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I don't really care what he says. I am more interested in what he does. What has your party done lately? The democrats seem to be calling for civil disobedience and harassment of people they don't like. Ernst Röhm would be proud of them. No surprise to me you righties embrace Trump's nationalism and his hatred of religious, racial, and ethnic minorities once he finishes reading his faked compassion off the teleprompter, and then try to protect it onto the Dems for complaining about it. This is nothing but a narrative that your party has been squealing about since November of 2016 and is repeated so often that some even believe it must be true. So when is your party going to go on record regarding more immediate issues like the caravan marching towards the border and another already 3,000 strong beginning their march to Mexico and ultimately to the US border? Their silence is deafening. I suppose if I were a Trumpite with half a working brain, I'd be "working" overtime to try to find ways to rationalize Trump's racism and other pig-like behavior. As for the refugees, I'm not overly concerned about a few thousand Central Americans coming north for the opportunity to leave behind the horrors of their homelands and find decent menial work and safety for themselves and their children in the U.S.A. My grandparents on both sides did the same thing. Ok Thanks. At least you've voiced your position. You are obviously *for* allowing thousands of immigrants to illegally enter the USA. No reason in your mind for Congress to change anything. Let Trump deal with the problems of assimilating them into our society. All it can do is make him look bad, right? Oh ... did your grandparents on both sides immigrate illegally or legally? Did they apply for citizenship in accordance with law or did they sneak over the border and turn themselves in claiming "asylum"? I don't know what the status of my grandparents was when they "landed" here and got off the boats. Never discussed it with any of them. All four of them became citizens at some point.New comers

His grand pappy lnvented the White Russian. You knows how those
Russians love their wodka.
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justan Wrote in message:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 10/29/18 4:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/29/2018 4:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 10/29/18 4:23 PM, wrote: On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 15:48:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I don't really care what he says. I am more interested in what he does. What has your party done lately? The democrats seem to be calling for civil disobedience and harassment of people they don't like. Ernst Röhm would be proud of them. No surprise to me you righties embrace Trump's nationalism and his hatred of religious, racial, and ethnic minorities once he finishes reading his faked compassion off the teleprompter, and then try to protect it onto the Dems for complaining about it. This is nothing but a narrative that your party has been squealing about since November of 2016 and is repeated so often that some even believe it must be true. So when is your party going to go on record regarding more immediate issues like the caravan marching towards the border and another already 3,000 strong beginning their march to Mexico and ultimately to the US border? Their silence is deafening. I suppose if I were a Trumpite with half a working brain, I'd be "working" overtime to try to find ways to rationalize Trump's racism and other pig-like behavior. As for the refugees, I'm not overly concerned about a few thousand Central Americans coming north for the opportunity to leave behind the horrors of their homelands and find decent menial work and safety for themselves and their children in the U.S.A. My grandparents on both sides did the same thing.Illegals all. No wonder you have no respect for the role of law. It's in your genes.-- x

Rule of law, but role works OK too.
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:04:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/29/2018 5:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't know what the status of my grandparents was when they "landed"
here and got off the boats. Never discussed it with any of them. All
four of them became citizens at some point.




If they arrived by boat as my grandparents did in 1907, it's doubtful
that they entered the USA illegally. I recently came across my
grandfather's naturalization papers. He arrived from Sweden in 1907 at
the age of 17 and became naturalized in 1916. By then he was
married and had one son, my uncle, who was 10 years older than my
father. My uncle was a marine engineer. He and I shared the same
birthday (Oct 19th) although obviously he was here many years before
me.

More newcomers ;-)

On 10/29/2018 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:04:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/29/2018 5:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't know what the status of my grandparents was when they "landed"
here and got off the boats. Never discussed it with any of them. All
four of them became citizens at some point.




If they arrived by boat as my grandparents did in 1907, it's doubtful
that they entered the USA illegally. I recently came across my
grandfather's naturalization papers. He arrived from Sweden in 1907 at
the age of 17 and became naturalized in 1916. By then he was
married and had one son, my uncle, who was 10 years older than my
father. My uncle was a marine engineer. He and I shared the same
birthday (Oct 19th) although obviously he was here many years before
me.

More newcomers ;-)



(a little boating content)

Even found a picture of the ship my grandfather arrived on in Boston.

Also found his manifest ... he paid $10 for the voyage from Liverpool,
England via Greenland and then to Boston.

http://funkyimg.com/i/2MCaC.jpg

justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/29/18 4:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/29/2018 4:34 PM, Keyser
Soze wrote: On 10/29/18 4:23 PM, wrote: On Mon,
29 Oct 2018 15:48:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: I don't really care what he says. I am more
interested in what he does. What has your party done
lately? The democrats seem to be calling for civil
disobedience and harassment of people they don't like. Ernst Röhm
would be proud of them. No surprise to me you righties embrace
Trump's nationalism and his hatred of religious, racial, and ethnic
minorities once he finishes reading his faked compassion off the
teleprompter, and then try to protect it onto the Dems for
complaining about it. This is nothing but a narrative that your
party has been squealing about since November of 2016 and is repeated
so often that some even believe it must be true. So when is your
party going to go on record regarding more immediate issues like the
caravan marching towards the border and another already 3,000 strong
beginning their march to Mexico and ultimately to the US border?
Their silence is deafening. I suppose if I were a Trumpite with half a
working brain, I'd be "working" overtime to try to find ways to
rationalize Trump's racism and other pig-like behavior. As for the
refugees, I'm not overly concerned about a few thousand Central
Americans coming north for the opportunity to leave behind the horrors
of their homelands and find decent menial work and safety for themselves
and their children in the U.S.A. My grandparents on both sides did the same thing.

Illegals all. No wonder you have no respect for the role of law.
It's in your genes.

Notice his grandparents worked, even menial jobs. No welfare.

On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 21:09:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/29/2018 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:04:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/29/2018 5:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't know what the status of my grandparents was when they "landed"
here and got off the boats. Never discussed it with any of them. All
four of them became citizens at some point.




If they arrived by boat as my grandparents did in 1907, it's doubtful
that they entered the USA illegally. I recently came across my
grandfather's naturalization papers. He arrived from Sweden in 1907 at
the age of 17 and became naturalized in 1916. By then he was
married and had one son, my uncle, who was 10 years older than my
father. My uncle was a marine engineer. He and I shared the same
birthday (Oct 19th) although obviously he was here many years before
me.

More newcomers ;-)



(a little boating content)

Even found a picture of the ship my grandfather arrived on in Boston.

Also found his manifest ... he paid $10 for the voyage from Liverpool,
England via Greenland and then to Boston.

http://funkyimg.com/i/2MCaC.jpg

Most of my people seemed to arrive in the 1600s or 1700s. I have the
immigration records on quite a few but no manifests.
I have found them born in UK somewhere and dying in the US.
Digging up the immigration records is a little tougher some time.
I am just trying to get them all back to Europe right now. I have over
50 now but we are looking at "great to the eight or tenth power"
grandparents in a few cases so the power of 2 sends back a pretty big
number of immigrants. The Oklahoma people seem to be the newcomers,
getting here in the mid to late 1700s
The folks around the road from Harry seem to be the earliest, a few
showing birth in England in the late 1500s and death in St Mary's
county in the early 1600s. There is even a born in Jamestown guy there
but it was later (1630s). I was amazed a few old geezers lived into
their 80s and even early 90s. The other thing is the men lived longer
than the women in those days.
It is also amazing that the farther back I went, the better the
records. Right around the Civil War (+/- 20 years) is where the black
holes showed up although my German seemed to fall out of the sky in
1827.
This stuff can really get addictive once you figure out how to look at
the documents and toss the bad leads. Ancestry.Com will send you down
a rabbit hole now and then. I was poking around in Boston around 1621
for a while, then I figured out it was a bad link. I had to back up a
generation and start over.

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2018 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:04:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/29/2018 5:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't know what the status of my grandparents was when they "landed"
here and got off the boats. Never discussed it with any of them. All
four of them became citizens at some point.




If they arrived by boat as my grandparents did in 1907, it's doubtful
that they entered the USA illegally. I recently came across my
grandfather's naturalization papers. He arrived from Sweden in 1907 at
the age of 17 and became naturalized in 1916. By then he was
married and had one son, my uncle, who was 10 years older than my
father. My uncle was a marine engineer. He and I shared the same
birthday (Oct 19th) although obviously he was here many years before
me.

More newcomers ;-)



(a little boating content)

Even found a picture of the ship my grandfather arrived on in Boston.

Also found his manifest ... he paid $10 for the voyage from Liverpool,
England via Greenland and then to Boston.

http://funkyimg.com/i/2MCaC.jpg

Interesting ship, Richard. I know those aren't sailing masks. Would those towers be directional for shortwave or radio?

On 10/30/2018 6:25 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2018 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:04:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/29/2018 5:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't know what the status of my grandparents was when they "landed"
here and got off the boats. Never discussed it with any of them. All
four of them became citizens at some point.




If they arrived by boat as my grandparents did in 1907, it's doubtful
that they entered the USA illegally. I recently came across my
grandfather's naturalization papers. He arrived from Sweden in 1907 at
the age of 17 and became naturalized in 1916. By then he was
married and had one son, my uncle, who was 10 years older than my
father. My uncle was a marine engineer. He and I shared the same
birthday (Oct 19th) although obviously he was here many years before
me.

More newcomers ;-)



(a little boating content)

Even found a picture of the ship my grandfather arrived on in Boston.

Also found his manifest ... he paid $10 for the voyage from Liverpool,
England via Greenland and then to Boston.

http://funkyimg.com/i/2MCaC.jpg

Interesting ship, Richard. I know those aren't sailing masks. Would those towers be directional for shortwave or radio?



Probably. Records indicate it had "steam quadruple-expansion engines
geared to twin propellers".

I looked it up on Wiki and it turns out it had an interesting history
and fate.

The SS Ivernia was owned by the British Cunard line and was primarily
built to transport immigrants from Europe to Boston and New York. When
WWI broke out it was hired by the British government as a troop transport.

From Wiki:

"In autumn of 1916, William Thomas Turner (made famous for being the
captain of RMS Lusitania at the time of her sinking) was given command.

On 1 January 1917, the Ivernia was carrying some 2,400 British troops
from Marseille to Alexandria, when at 10:12am she was torpedoed by the
German submarine UB-47 58 miles south-east of Cape Matapan in Greece, in
the Kythira Strait. The ship went down fairly quickly with a loss of 36
crew members and 84 troops. Captain Turner, who had been criticized for
not going down with the Lusitania (even though he had believed he was
the last person on board), remained on the bridge until all aboard had
departed in lifeboats and rafts "before striking out to swim as the
vessel went down under his feet."

7:35 AMMr. Luddite
On 10/30/2018 6:25 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 8:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2018 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 18:04:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/29/2018 5:53 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't know what the status of my grandparents was when they "landed"
here and got off the boats. Never discussed it with any of them. All
four of them became citizens at some point.




If they arrived by boat as my grandparents did in 1907, it's doubtful
that they entered the USA illegally. I recently came across my
grandfather's naturalization papers. He arrived from Sweden in 1907 at
the age of 17 and became naturalized in 1916. By then he was
married and had one son, my uncle, who was 10 years older than my
father. My uncle was a marine engineer. He and I shared the same
birthday (Oct 19th) although obviously he was here many years before
me.

More newcomers ;-)



(a little boating content)

Even found a picture of the ship my grandfather arrived on in Boston.

Also found his manifest ... he paid $10 for the voyage from Liverpool,
England via Greenland and then to Boston.

http://funkyimg.com/i/2MCaC.jpg

Interesting ship, Richard. I know those aren't sailing masks. Would those towers be directional for shortwave or radio?



Probably. Records indicate it had "steam quadruple-expansion engines
geared to twin propellers".

I looked it up on Wiki and it turns out it had an interesting history
and fate.

The SS Ivernia was owned by the British Cunard line and was primarily
built to transport immigrants from Europe to Boston and New York. When
WWI broke out it was hired by the British government as a troop transport.

From Wiki:

"In autumn of 1916, William Thomas Turner (made famous for being the
captain of RMS Lusitania at the time of her sinking) was given command.

On 1 January 1917, the Ivernia was carrying some 2,400 British troops
from Marseille to Alexandria, when at 10:12am she was torpedoed by the
German submarine UB-47 58 miles south-east of Cape Matapan in Greece, in
the Kythira Strait. The ship went down fairly quickly with a loss of 36
crew members and 84 troops. Captain Turner, who had been criticized for
not going down with the Lusitania (even though he had believed he was
the last person on board), remained on the bridge until all aboard had
departed in lifeboats and rafts "before striking out to swim as the
vessel went down under his feet."

..........

It’s a colossal amount of tonnage the U-boats put to the bottom of the sea.

I’m sorry the ship was sunk, and sorry for the loss of lives ....