On 2/26/2018 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:28:02 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:55:16 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

A couple rounds in his general direction may have had him leaving the school. Better that the kids
got killed?

If the shots miss, Harry is probably right. I would not want to be
face to face with a AR and only have a pistol. OTOH if you just come
up behind this guy and put one in the back of his head, you win that
fight. To that end, someone with tactical skills should identify the
best places to wait and have your armed people know where the best one
is based on where the shots are coming from.
Maybe we can scour the 7-11s and find some old Vietcong guys. They
were pretty good at ambushing guys with ARs ;-)



Question:

If you come face to face with a guy with an AR-15 intent on killing you
or anyone around you, would you rather be armed or disarmed?

I'd take armed. If I miss I might be dead.
If I am not armed, I am certainly dead.

On 2/26/18 5:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:28:02 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:55:16 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter,
eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

A couple rounds in his general direction may have had him leaving the
school. Better that the kids
got killed?

If the shots miss, Harry is probably right. I would not want to be
face to face with a AR and only have a pistol. OTOH if you just come
up behind this guy and put one in the back of his head, you win that
fight. To that end, someone with tactical skills should identify the
best places to wait and have your armed people know where the best one
is based on where the shots are coming from.
Maybe we can scour the 7-11s and find some old Vietcong guys. They
were pretty good at ambushing guys with ARsÂ* ;-)



Question:

If you come face to face with a guy with an AR-15 intent on killing you
or anyone around you, would you rather be armed or disarmed?

I'd take armed.Â* If I miss I might be dead.
If I am not armed, I am certainly dead.



I dunno. I am reminded of many shootouts with cops in which supposedly
well-trained officers fire dozens or hundreds of shots, still might not
hit their target(s), and spray bullets everywhere. Now, imagine that
sort of shootout at a school filled with hundreds or even thousands of
students, and the "good guy" doing the shooting is a teacher with maybe
one-twentieth of the training of a cop. Now, imagine the autopsies...and
the resulting lawsuits.

On 2/26/2018 5:12 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 5:04 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:28:02 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:55:16 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the
slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

A couple rounds in his general direction may have had him leaving
the school. Better that the kids
got killed?

If the shots miss, Harry is probably right. I would not want to be
face to face with a AR and only have a pistol. OTOH if you just come
up behind this guy and put one in the back of his head, you win that
fight. To that end, someone with tactical skills should identify the
best places to wait and have your armed people know where the best one
is based on where the shots are coming from.
Maybe we can scour the 7-11s and find some old Vietcong guys. They
were pretty good at ambushing guys with ARsÂ* ;-)





Question:

If you come face to face with a guy with an AR-15 intent on killing
you or anyone around you, would you rather be armed or disarmed?

I'd take armed.Â* If I miss I might be dead.
If I am not armed, I am certainly dead.



I dunno. I am reminded of many shootouts with cops in which supposedly
well-trained officers fire dozens or hundreds of shots, still might not
hit their target(s), and spray bullets everywhere. Now, imagine that
sort of shootout at a school filled with hundreds or even thousands of
students, and the "good guy" doing the shooting is a teacher with maybe
one-twentieth of the training of a cop. Now, imagine the autopsies...and
the resulting lawsuits.



Face to face and you'd still miss? You need more range time practice.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:12:41 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:




Question:

If you come face to face with a guy with an AR-15 intent on killing you
or anyone around you, would you rather be armed or disarmed?

I'd take armed.Â* If I miss I might be dead.
If I am not armed, I am certainly dead.



I dunno. I am reminded of many shootouts with cops in which supposedly
well-trained officers fire dozens or hundreds of shots, still might not
hit their target(s), and spray bullets everywhere. Now, imagine that
sort of shootout at a school filled with hundreds or even thousands of
students, and the "good guy" doing the shooting is a teacher with maybe
one-twentieth of the training of a cop. Now, imagine the autopsies...and
the resulting lawsuits.

I knew lots of cops and one of our IBM guys was also a sworn deputy on
the Charlotte Sheriffs department. I have never heard one of them who
was a regular street cop who thought they were getting any decent
firearms training. There is certainly not enough tactical training
unless they are SWAT or something.
That is why my DC cop buddy was getting as much help as he could from
the FBI instructor. Of course the FBI has had their share of their
problems too.
I think the worst thing that happened to police marksmanship was the
9MM with double stack magazines. When they only had six, they had to
aim.
I have told the story about the CCSO and their drill where the cop had
to knock down 5 bowling pins at very close range. Shoot till you get
them all. They had plenty of road deputies who had to reload their 9.

The reality is most cops live their whole career and never fire their
gun in the line of duty. That is more true of FBI and other federal
agents than street cops. They spend more time on paper chases than
criminal chases.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 17:04:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 3:54 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:28:02 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:55:16 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:


You think a teacher with a handgun would have stopped the slaughter, eh?
Too funny. There would be another dead teacher.

A couple rounds in his general direction may have had him leaving the school. Better that the kids
got killed?

If the shots miss, Harry is probably right. I would not want to be
face to face with a AR and only have a pistol. OTOH if you just come
up behind this guy and put one in the back of his head, you win that
fight. To that end, someone with tactical skills should identify the
best places to wait and have your armed people know where the best one
is based on where the shots are coming from.
Maybe we can scour the 7-11s and find some old Vietcong guys. They
were pretty good at ambushing guys with ARs ;-)



Question:

If you come face to face with a guy with an AR-15 intent on killing you
or anyone around you, would you rather be armed or disarmed?

I'd take armed. If I miss I might be dead.
If I am not armed, I am certainly dead.


The point is you never want to be face to face. You hear him coming,
take cover and blind side him, armed or not. I would have no problem
shooting someone like this without ever saying a word or giving him
any quarter.