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On 2/26/2018 4:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 3:45 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:08:41 -0500, Keyser Soze
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I suggested an approach:

The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I really doubt new laws do anything but change how the bad guy gets
his gun., The country is awash with them.
The bullet proof door is not really necessary if the teacher gets the
kids out of the line if fire but you may want to armor the strike
plate a little better so it is hard to shoot out the lock. Commercial
products are already available for that.
The one you miss is get rid of the diversion programs that keep
violent kids out of jail. That may be exactly where they belong ...
like this ****er. If the school had pursued the charges they had, he
would not have passed the background check. If the Sheriff had
followed up on the complaints, he would have been in prison for 10
years, just on the aggravated assault with a gun.


Right, so 10 years later, he'd come out a much wilier, more capable
criminal. I'm not saying we shouldn't jail violent criminals, but what
that seems to produce with our ****ty, overcrowded prison system is more
hardened criminals. You have to wonder why we imprison more people than
anyone else, and a higher percentage of our population, too. It's just
another of our society's failures.


Yup. Even the prisons in the USA suck according to Harry.

We need more social workers and shrinks I guess. Except, they are swore
to secrecy.

My daughter's best friend when they were growing up was a prison
therapist for a while. She quit. It is largely hopeless. It was the
same prison where I watched a guy get killed.
This is not Sunday School.



Shrink therapy should work just as well with prisoners as it does
with paying customers.
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:32:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
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On 2/26/2018 5:29 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 15:37:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
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I had a .357 Magnum revolver. It was the S&W 627 Performance Center
model. It was impressive but once I got over the "new-ness" of it, I
sorta lost interest in it. Just made a little larger hole in paper
targets with a lot more noise and greater expense per round. I've posted
the link to a YouTube video here in the past of shooting it at the range.

I am at the point where all I am interested in is something for home
defense in the improbable chance anyone tried to enter our house with
criminal intent and a small concealed carry pistol for the even rarer
times I carry .... which is only when we are going somewhere that could
represent a higher than normal risk. Doesn't happen often.

The little .38 Special and the Sig 226 will serve those purposes. May
not put someone big down but they will catch his attention.
Still debating about getting rid of the Walther though. It's a very
nice, accurate handgun, but a little too big for concealed carry purposes.

Guns don't fascinate me but as we get older we may need a fighting
chance if anything bad happens.


In the house I am showing up with a .45 but if it is just the 2 of us,
I will hole up in the bedroom, call 911 and drop anyone who comes
through the door.
It gets a lot more complicated if the kids are here.
I do think the dog helps. I can let the dog investigate bumps in the
night. I only hope he lives through it.


The lab I had (Sam Adams) would lick him to death.

What ever it takes to distract the guy. Most people get a little
nervous when an 80-100 pound dog comes toward them at night,
particularly if he is barking.
For the home owner, just the fact that the dog is alerted is enough to
warn them that things are not normal.


He didn't mention his other dog, Fudge. One look from him and you
know you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 18:11:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
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On 2/26/2018 4:36 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:44:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
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I have one also. My only revolver. But after watching that video I am
thinking maybe a .357 revolver would be more appropriate.

Then again, it's not clear how many times the mother actually hit the
perp. He was out of the camera range when she was firing the most
shots. She hit him once in the arm looks like. The daughter clearly hit
him a couple of times as well.

A bad shot with a .357 is nowhere as good as a well placed shot with a
.22
A FBI instructor told me years ago, "shoot what you can hit with"
after I was criticized about my "puny" .380 by my DC cop buddy.
They were friends and I tagged along several times for some free
lessons. His advice was you might be able to throw away your first
shot but then you better be aiming because any shock value to the
other guy of being shot at is gone. In those days (66-67) the
philosophy was get a round down range as fast as you can, then fire a
well aimed double tap from the Weaver position and assess.
These days just about all I do at the range with a handgun is extend
and fire from high retention as fast and smooth as I can. I practice
at various angles to the target and standing in various stances. My
only goal at this point is instinctively being able to get off one or
two shots into a 6" circle at 7 yards without really thinking about
aiming. Basically like skeet shooting, you hit where you are looking.




Hard to remember all this good advice with a guy waving a gun in your
face though. I can see it now:

That is why you want it to be pure muscle memory.
The only issue is whether you really are willing to kill someone at
that point. I hope I will make the right decision but I don't want to
have to think about the mechanical process. If I was really serious
about this I would also do malfunction drills assuming I have lost an
arm in the fight (reloads etc) but I have that street cop problem. How
hard do I want to work on an unlikely situation.


What? You aren't willing to drill like Fat Harry does? I guess you
aren't paranoid enough to make the committment.
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On 2/26/18 11:52 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:14:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 4:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 3:45 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:08:41 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



I suggested an approach:

The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I really doubt new laws do anything but change how the bad guy gets
his gun., The country is awash with them.
The bullet proof door is not really necessary if the teacher gets the
kids out of the line if fire but you may want to armor the strike
plate a little better so it is hard to shoot out the lock. Commercial
products are already available for that.
The one you miss is get rid of the diversion programs that keep
violent kids out of jail. That may be exactly where they belong ...
like this ****er. If the school had pursued the charges they had, he
would not have passed the background check. If the Sheriff had
followed up on the complaints, he would have been in prison for 10
years, just on the aggravated assault with a gun.


Right, so 10 years later, he'd come out a much wilier, more capable
criminal. I'm not saying we shouldn't jail violent criminals, but what
that seems to produce with our ****ty, overcrowded prison system is more
hardened criminals. You have to wonder why we imprison more people than
anyone else, and a higher percentage of our population, too. It's just
another of our society's failures.


Yup. Even the prisons in the USA suck according to Harry.

We need more social workers and shrinks I guess. Except, they are swore
to secrecy.

My daughter's best friend when they were growing up was a prison
therapist for a while. She quit. It is largely hopeless. It was the
same prison where I watched a guy get killed.
This is not Sunday School.




My wife worked for a year at a large mental hospital in Florida, a
facility mostly for the mentally ill who were there in connection with
criminal charges, including murderers. Some inmates were capable of
being helped to the point where they could return to society. Of course,
the therapists were not libertarians, so they weren't willing to give up
on those they were trying to help.

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 09:02:58 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/26/18 11:52 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:14:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 4:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 3:45 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:08:41 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



I suggested an approach:

The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I really doubt new laws do anything but change how the bad guy gets
his gun., The country is awash with them.
The bullet proof door is not really necessary if the teacher gets the
kids out of the line if fire but you may want to armor the strike
plate a little better so it is hard to shoot out the lock. Commercial
products are already available for that.
The one you miss is get rid of the diversion programs that keep
violent kids out of jail. That may be exactly where they belong ...
like this ****er. If the school had pursued the charges they had, he
would not have passed the background check. If the Sheriff had
followed up on the complaints, he would have been in prison for 10
years, just on the aggravated assault with a gun.


Right, so 10 years later, he'd come out a much wilier, more capable
criminal. I'm not saying we shouldn't jail violent criminals, but what
that seems to produce with our ****ty, overcrowded prison system is more
hardened criminals. You have to wonder why we imprison more people than
anyone else, and a higher percentage of our population, too. It's just
another of our society's failures.


Yup. Even the prisons in the USA suck according to Harry.

We need more social workers and shrinks I guess. Except, they are swore
to secrecy.

My daughter's best friend when they were growing up was a prison
therapist for a while. She quit. It is largely hopeless. It was the
same prison where I watched a guy get killed.
This is not Sunday School.




My wife worked for a year at a large mental hospital in Florida, a
facility mostly for the mentally ill who were there in connection with
criminal charges, including murderers. Some inmates were capable of
being helped to the point where they could return to society. Of course,
the therapists were not libertarians, so they weren't willing to give up
on those they were trying to help.

All of them could be returned to society. It's what they do next that counts!

justan wrote:
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:32:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 5:29 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 15:37:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I had a .357 Magnum revolver. It was the S&W 627 Performance Center
model. It was impressive but once I got over the "new-ness" of it, I
sorta lost interest in it. Just made a little larger hole in paper
targets with a lot more noise and greater expense per round. I've posted
the link to a YouTube video here in the past of shooting it at the range.

I am at the point where all I am interested in is something for home
defense in the improbable chance anyone tried to enter our house with
criminal intent and a small concealed carry pistol for the even rarer
times I carry .... which is only when we are going somewhere that could
represent a higher than normal risk. Doesn't happen often.

The little .38 Special and the Sig 226 will serve those purposes. May
not put someone big down but they will catch his attention.
Still debating about getting rid of the Walther though. It's a very
nice, accurate handgun, but a little too big for concealed carry purposes.

Guns don't fascinate me but as we get older we may need a fighting
chance if anything bad happens.


In the house I am showing up with a .45 but if it is just the 2 of us,
I will hole up in the bedroom, call 911 and drop anyone who comes
through the door.
It gets a lot more complicated if the kids are here.
I do think the dog helps. I can let the dog investigate bumps in the
night. I only hope he lives through it.


The lab I had (Sam Adams) would lick him to death.

What ever it takes to distract the guy. Most people get a little
nervous when an 80-100 pound dog comes toward them at night,
particularly if he is barking.
For the home owner, just the fact that the dog is alerted is enough to
warn them that things are not normal.


He didn't mention his other dog, Fudge. One look from him and you
know you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Friend of mine was working in Puerto Rico and his next door neighbor had a
large Doberman. He came home from a 3 day weekend to find a guy sitting
at the end of the hallway. Been there 2days. Had tried to burgle the
place. Dog would growl every time he tried to move. So sat there
without water or food for 2 days. He said the guy let him go with a
warning. Figured the word would get out not to mess around near here.

On 2/27/2018 2:14 PM, Bill wrote:
justan wrote:
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:32:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 5:29 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 15:37:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I had a .357 Magnum revolver. It was the S&W 627 Performance Center
model. It was impressive but once I got over the "new-ness" of it, I
sorta lost interest in it. Just made a little larger hole in paper
targets with a lot more noise and greater expense per round. I've posted
the link to a YouTube video here in the past of shooting it at the range.

I am at the point where all I am interested in is something for home
defense in the improbable chance anyone tried to enter our house with
criminal intent and a small concealed carry pistol for the even rarer
times I carry .... which is only when we are going somewhere that could
represent a higher than normal risk. Doesn't happen often.

The little .38 Special and the Sig 226 will serve those purposes. May
not put someone big down but they will catch his attention.
Still debating about getting rid of the Walther though. It's a very
nice, accurate handgun, but a little too big for concealed carry purposes.

Guns don't fascinate me but as we get older we may need a fighting
chance if anything bad happens.


In the house I am showing up with a .45 but if it is just the 2 of us,
I will hole up in the bedroom, call 911 and drop anyone who comes
through the door.
It gets a lot more complicated if the kids are here.
I do think the dog helps. I can let the dog investigate bumps in the
night. I only hope he lives through it.


The lab I had (Sam Adams) would lick him to death.

What ever it takes to distract the guy. Most people get a little
nervous when an 80-100 pound dog comes toward them at night,
particularly if he is barking.
For the home owner, just the fact that the dog is alerted is enough to
warn them that things are not normal.


He didn't mention his other dog, Fudge. One look from him and you
know you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Friend of mine was working in Puerto Rico and his next door neighbor had a
large Doberman. He came home from a 3 day weekend to find a guy sitting
at the end of the hallway. Been there 2days. Had tried to burgle the
place. Dog would growl every time he tried to move. So sat there
without water or food for 2 days. He said the guy let him go with a
warning. Figured the word would get out not to mess around near here.



"Fudge" and Sam Adams:

https://tinyurl.com/y8rfxze5

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 14:26:29 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/27/2018 2:14 PM, Bill wrote:
justan wrote:
Wrote in message:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:32:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 5:29 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 15:37:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I had a .357 Magnum revolver. It was the S&W 627 Performance Center
model. It was impressive but once I got over the "new-ness" of it, I
sorta lost interest in it. Just made a little larger hole in paper
targets with a lot more noise and greater expense per round. I've posted
the link to a YouTube video here in the past of shooting it at the range.

I am at the point where all I am interested in is something for home
defense in the improbable chance anyone tried to enter our house with
criminal intent and a small concealed carry pistol for the even rarer
times I carry .... which is only when we are going somewhere that could
represent a higher than normal risk. Doesn't happen often.

The little .38 Special and the Sig 226 will serve those purposes. May
not put someone big down but they will catch his attention.
Still debating about getting rid of the Walther though. It's a very
nice, accurate handgun, but a little too big for concealed carry purposes.

Guns don't fascinate me but as we get older we may need a fighting
chance if anything bad happens.


In the house I am showing up with a .45 but if it is just the 2 of us,
I will hole up in the bedroom, call 911 and drop anyone who comes
through the door.
It gets a lot more complicated if the kids are here.
I do think the dog helps. I can let the dog investigate bumps in the
night. I only hope he lives through it.


The lab I had (Sam Adams) would lick him to death.

What ever it takes to distract the guy. Most people get a little
nervous when an 80-100 pound dog comes toward them at night,
particularly if he is barking.
For the home owner, just the fact that the dog is alerted is enough to
warn them that things are not normal.


He didn't mention his other dog, Fudge. One look from him and you
know you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Friend of mine was working in Puerto Rico and his next door neighbor had a
large Doberman. He came home from a 3 day weekend to find a guy sitting
at the end of the hallway. Been there 2days. Had tried to burgle the
place. Dog would growl every time he tried to move. So sat there
without water or food for 2 days. He said the guy let him go with a
warning. Figured the word would get out not to mess around near here.



"Fudge" and Sam Adams:

https://tinyurl.com/y8rfxze5



A pair of sweethearts.

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 14:30:16 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 14:26:29 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

"Fudge" and Sam Adams:

https://tinyurl.com/y8rfxze5



A pair of sweethearts.

We do like our dogs.
Ed is still my favorite RIP
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Ed%20Facebook.jpg

In the 7 years he was here he never did anything bad around the house
.... ever.