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Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:56:46 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote: On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 2:50:38 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:38:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. The reality is the number who will pay no income taxes at all will go up, maybe to over 50%. It is hard to reconcile how this raises taxes for the 80%the democrats talk about. As I said in my "middle" thread, the people being hurt by the SALT thing will be the top 3 or 4 % in blue states. They even pushed the mortgage limit up to 3 quarter million. If you have a $750k mortgage, you are not in the middle of anything. Tell NBC that. A week or two ago, they ran a story about the tax plan and used a couple in NJ as their "average Americans", interviewing them on how the plan would hurt them. They were living in a $750k house. === For northern NJ that is probably average or below. You have a similar situation in southern NY and south western CT. It's a very expensive area to live, exacerbated by very high state and local taxes. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:34:57 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. === Why not? He seems to advocate for of all of your favorite socialist programs. Is he not beholden to the right people? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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Watching Bernie today on Wolf
He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. ..... M’man! That is until the corrupt DNC shafted him over.. |
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Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 4:17:16 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 11:56:46 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote: On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 2:50:38 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:38:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. The reality is the number who will pay no income taxes at all will go up, maybe to over 50%. It is hard to reconcile how this raises taxes for the 80%the democrats talk about. As I said in my "middle" thread, the people being hurt by the SALT thing will be the top 3 or 4 % in blue states. They even pushed the mortgage limit up to 3 quarter million. If you have a $750k mortgage, you are not in the middle of anything. Tell NBC that. A week or two ago, they ran a story about the tax plan and used a couple in NJ as their "average Americans", interviewing them on how the plan would hurt them. They were living in a $750k house. === For northern NJ that is probably average or below. You have a similar situation in southern NY and south western CT. It's a very expensive area to live, exacerbated by very high state and local taxes. Oh I realize that, but that's not average. Probably for that immediate area, but not for America. This was on NBC national news. My point was that NBC picked a couple living in a very expensive area then posed them and their situation as average. Seems like it was Greg that pointed out that these coastal "elites" live in a bubble and don't seem to have a clue what it's like across this country for normal people. |
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Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 12/20/2017 3:14 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/20/17 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/20/2017 1:48 PM, justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 12/20/2017 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. What amazes me is how the Republicans and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent or more of the population will benefit from a tax cut due to the Tax Cut and Jobs Act while at the same time the Democrats and their pundits are proclaiming that 80 percent of the population will receive a tax hike. Which party has a history of lying the most? I'd say Hillary. Nope. Trump is far, far worse. Trump lies about the size of his rallies. Hillary lies about top secret emails on a private server. Take your pick. |
#17
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Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 12/20/2017 3:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. Funny. Hillary and the DNC went out of their way to eliminate him in 2016. |
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Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 12/20/2017 4:24 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/20/17 4:20 PM, wrote: On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:34:57 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. === Why not?Â* He seems to advocate for of all of your favorite socialist programs.Â* Is he not beholden to the right people? --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Let's try this again: Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. *Bernie is not a Democrat.* That's why not. Sheesh. Only goes to show how closed some people's minds are. |
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Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 12/20/2017 4:24 PM, Tim wrote:
He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. .... M’man! That is until the corrupt DNC shafted him over.. Elimination of the individual mandate thing is another issue the Dems are making a wacky example of. Anyone paying the penalty ... err.. I mean tax isn't buying insurance. So how do 13 million lose health insurance due to the elimination of the individual mandate? Most working people get health insurance through their employer. |
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Watching Bernie today on Wolf
On 12/20/17 4:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/20/2017 3:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/20/17 1:14 PM, wrote: He does use some misleading DNC talking points like "13 million lose health care" instead of the truth that 13 million can choose not to buy it but he does make some valid points and he is a very good spokesman for the DNC party line. It makes you wonder why they tried so hard to stop him in 2016. Bernie is not a Democrat. I wouldn't vote for him and neither would many Dems. Funny.Â* Hillary and the DNC went out of their way to eliminate him in 2016. There's no conflict between my statement and those actions. Bernie wanted the Dem nomination and claimed back then he was a Dem. That was a lie. |
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