On 10/26/2017 4:17 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/26/2017 2:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774


I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not
progressively liberal enough to dig
up the atrocity.

I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out.


We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency
Â* before we go picking nits over what trump said
about the drug
Â* problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and
Â* come up with some program that will actually work.



Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by
re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his
buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh?


What works now?



Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of
those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to
counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from
doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys
(they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their
old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new,
less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to
work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar
meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals.


Wow, you are totally uninformed about addiction. Once addicted, *that*
becomes the issue, not pain management or re-training for another job.
Most people addicted to opioids are long over whatever caused them to
get hooked to begin with.


Hey, he fed you the union line.


He sure did. Talk about lack of empathy. :-)

On 10/26/17 6:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/26/2017 4:17 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/26/2017 2:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774



I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not
progressively liberal enough to dig
up the atrocity.

I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out.


We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency
Â*Â* before we go picking nits over what trump said
about the drug
Â*Â* problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and
Â*Â* come up with some program that will actually work.



Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the crisis by
re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his
buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh?


What works now?



Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large number of
those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to
counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from
doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys
(they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at their
old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new,
less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to
work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar
meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals.


Wow, you are totally uninformed about addiction.Â* Once addicted, *that*
becomes the issue, not pain management or re-training for another job.
Most people addicted to opioids are long over whatever caused them to
get hooked to begin with.


Hey, he fed you the union line.


He sure did.Â* Talk about lack of empathy.Â*Â* :-)


As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of
work many construction workers do every day.

On 10/26/2017 6:27 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 6:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/26/2017 4:17 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 2:45:25 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/26/2017 2:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/26/2017 1:59 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 10:35 AM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=50718774



I'm sure this is in some way absolutely atrocious, but I'm not
progressively liberal enough to dig
up the atrocity.

I'm sure Harry Krause or slammer will figure it out.


We need to determine the difference between crisis and emergency
Â*Â* before we go picking nits over what trump said
about the drug
Â*Â* problem. I wonder if he's going to abandon the war on drugs and
Â*Â* come up with some program that will actually work.



Looks like President Empathy is just going to not solve the
crisis by
re-allocating funds. If only there was a better way for some of his
buddies to make big bucks over getting folks off opioids, eh?


What works now?



Depends on the cause of the addiction. As an example, a large
number of
those addicted got that way because they were prescribed opioids to
counter the pain from work-related injuries or the years of abuse from
doing physically demanding jobs that break down the body. These guys
(they are mostly men) need to get back to work, but can't work at
their
old jobs without the painkillers. Some of them can be trained for new,
less physically demanding jobs that still pay well, and allow them to
work full-time without opioids or with aspirin or Tylenol or similar
meds, counseling, physical therapy, and pain management professionals.


Wow, you are totally uninformed about addiction.Â* Once addicted, *that*
becomes the issue, not pain management or re-training for another job.
Most people addicted to opioids are long over whatever caused them to
get hooked to begin with.


Hey, he fed you the union line.


He sure did.Â* Talk about lack of empathy.Â*Â* :-)


As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of
work many construction workers do every day.


What makes you think us "assholes" don't?

On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:27:04 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of
work many construction workers do every day.

Really?

On 10/26/17 8:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:27:04 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of
work many construction workers do every day.

Really?


Get back to us after you spend a few weeks tossing, lifting, buttering
and placing 12" concrete line block

On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 20:58:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/26/17 8:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:27:04 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of
work many construction workers do every day.

Really?


Get back to us after you spend a few weeks tossing, lifting, buttering
and placing 12" concrete line block

Been there, done that
Also collected the block from numerous job sites, loaded it, unloaded
it and carried it to the job. I mixed my own mortar, set up the
scaffolding and loaded the block on the scaffold.
Want to talk about hand pouring a tie beam on top of the wall? (mixing
the concrete in a 3 bag mixer) Setting the trusses and doing the
roofing?
Hand digging footers?
This last few weeks I have been dragging limbs the size of your leg
along with tree trunks that go up to about 1000 pounds.
All of this in SW Florida where it is too hot for you to sit by the
pool ... next.

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 9:37:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 20:58:33 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 10/26/17 8:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:27:04 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of
work many construction workers do every day.

Really?


Get back to us after you spend a few weeks tossing, lifting, buttering
and placing 12" concrete line block

Been there, done that
Also collected the block from numerous job sites, loaded it, unloaded
it and carried it to the job. I mixed my own mortar, set up the
scaffolding and loaded the block on the scaffold.
Want to talk about hand pouring a tie beam on top of the wall? (mixing
the concrete in a 3 bag mixer) Setting the trusses and doing the
roofing?
Hand digging footers?
This last few weeks I have been dragging limbs the size of your leg
along with tree trunks that go up to about 1000 pounds.
All of this in SW Florida where it is too hot for you to sit by the
pool ... next.

That old fart would have hire non-union scabs to do the work. He's too busy spreading his wife's mulch. His life has been spent punching keys on a typewriter.

On 10/26/2017 8:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 8:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:27:04 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of
work many construction workers do every day.

Really?


Get back to us after you spend a few weeks tossing, lifting, buttering
and placing 12" concrete line block


Been there, done that.

Also worked with a SeaBee Battalion for almost a year doing construction
and electrical wiring, all in metallic conduit BTW.

I agree though that those experiences provide great motivation to go to
school.

On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 07:34:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/26/2017 8:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 8:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:27:04 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of
work many construction workers do every day.

Really?


Get back to us after you spend a few weeks tossing, lifting, buttering
and placing 12" concrete line block


Been there, done that.

Also worked with a SeaBee Battalion for almost a year doing construction
and electrical wiring, all in metallic conduit BTW.

I agree though that those experiences provide great motivation to go to
school.

I wonder where Harry did all this work with 12" blocks. The one's I've toted were all 16".

On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 08:00:10 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 07:34:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/26/2017 8:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/26/17 8:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:27:04 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

As if you assholes had any idea of how tough on the body the sort of
work many construction workers do every day.

Really?


Get back to us after you spend a few weeks tossing, lifting, buttering
and placing 12" concrete line block


Been there, done that.

Also worked with a SeaBee Battalion for almost a year doing construction
and electrical wiring, all in metallic conduit BTW.

I agree though that those experiences provide great motivation to go to
school.

I wonder where Harry did all this work with 12" blocks. The one's I've toted were all 16".

He is talking about a 12x16x8. I used them on the spa in Maryland.
They are pretty rare in Florida except in the heaviest of commercial.