Looks like everyone went to bed early last night. Hope all got a great night's sleep. Will be on the
golf course freezing my butt off with temps in the low 40's and 20mph winds.

Has anyone had a dog that tore it's ACL? I'm trying the non-surgical 'restricted movement' approach:

http://tiggerpoz.com/index.html

But, it has its setbacks. My dog still will try to jump on the couch or bed (a definite no-no) if
not watched or penned. She tried jumping onto my lap a couple weeks ago and the right rear leg just
caved out from under her, going sideways at the stifle (knee). Of course, if she had surgery she'd
still try to run and jump, risking undoing the surgical treatments, whichever one I chose to have
done.

The author of the site above is against immediate surgery. But, the vets who do the surgery are very
much against 'not' doing the surgery immediately, citing all sorts of dire consequences.

Oh well, it's thoughts like these that go through one's head at 2:30 in the morning just to ensure a
good night's sleep is not happening.

Have a great day all!!

Drs like to cure, John. Surgeons like to do surgery

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Drs like to cure, John. Surgeons like to do surgery

That's the damn truth right there!

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:56:56 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Drs like to cure, John. Surgeons like to do surgery

That's the damn truth right there!

===

And if your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail...

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Drs like to cure, John. Surgeons like to do surgery

When I was in DC I spent a lot of time around doctors, some of the
best in town. (My ex was the senior "lay" person in a big DC hospital
administrative staff) I found the surgeons to be the most skilled.
They have a trade that requires physical ability. They actually fix
things. The rest just throw pills at you and hope the problem goes
away.

wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Drs like to cure, John. Surgeons like to do surgery

When I was in DC I spent a lot of time around doctors, some of the
best in town. (My ex was the senior "lay" person in a big DC hospital
administrative staff) I found the surgeons to be the most skilled.
They have a trade that requires physical ability. They actually fix
things. The rest just throw pills at you and hope the problem goes
away.


Naive to the point of absurdity.

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Posted with my iPhone 7+.

7:35
On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Drs like to cure, John. Surgeons like to do surgery

When I was in DC I spent a lot of time around doctors, some of the
best in town. (My ex was the senior "lay" person in a big DC hospital
administrative staff) I found the surgeons to be the most skilled.
They have a trade that requires physical ability. They actually fix
things. The rest just throw pills at you and hope the problem goes
away.
......

Saving details but the surgeon who crammed the defibrillator into my chest couldn't have cared less whether I needed it or not....

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:09:26 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

7:35
On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Drs like to cure, John. Surgeons like to do surgery

When I was in DC I spent a lot of time around doctors, some of the
best in town. (My ex was the senior "lay" person in a big DC hospital
administrative staff) I found the surgeons to be the most skilled.
They have a trade that requires physical ability. They actually fix
things. The rest just throw pills at you and hope the problem goes
away.
.....

Saving details but the surgeon who crammed the defibrillator into my chest couldn't have cared less whether I needed it or not....

I was only referring to the skill involved in shoving that into your
chest without killing you, although that is not a very complicated
procedure. Whether you actually needed it is my main problem with
doctors. They may know everything about the human body but a lot do
not have any real diagnostic ability. It is a unique ability and
pretty much impossible to teach if you do not have that kind of mind.
I will say the doctors in DC are better than they are around here.

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:44:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

When I was in DC I spent a lot of time around doctors, some of the
best in town. (My ex was the senior "lay" person in a big DC hospital
administrative staff) I found the surgeons to be the most skilled.
They have a trade that requires physical ability. They actually fix
things. The rest just throw pills at you and hope the problem goes
away.


Naive to the point of absurdity.

OK what do non-surgical doctors do to cure you? You get pills,
injections, creams or something you shove up your ass.
These days that choice seems to depend on the sales pitch and freebies
they get from the drug salesman as much as anything.

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 11:21:01 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:09:26 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

7:35
On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Drs like to cure, John. Surgeons like to do surgery

When I was in DC I spent a lot of time around doctors, some of the
best in town. (My ex was the senior "lay" person in a big DC hospital
administrative staff) I found the surgeons to be the most skilled.
They have a trade that requires physical ability. They actually fix
things. The rest just throw pills at you and hope the problem goes
away.
.....

Saving details but the surgeon who crammed the defibrillator into my chest couldn't have cared less whether I needed it or not....

I was only referring to the skill involved in shoving that into your
chest without killing you, although that is not a very complicated
procedure. Whether you actually needed it is my main problem with
doctors. They may know everything about the human body but a lot do
not have any real diagnostic ability. It is a unique ability and
pretty much impossible to teach if you do not have that kind of mind.
I will say the doctors in DC are better than they are around here.

This piece of space wizardry Im carrying cost about $50,000 to have done. The installation procedure takes aprox. 20 minutes. Lets say he gets $1000.00 a piece and can do 6 a day. What's he care if you need it or not? Then you have several follow up appointments which I get charged for.

I'll quit there but you get the pic. Im sure...