Looks like everyone went to bed early last night. Hope all got a great night's sleep. Will be on the
golf course freezing my butt off with temps in the low 40's and 20mph winds.

Has anyone had a dog that tore it's ACL? I'm trying the non-surgical 'restricted movement' approach:

http://tiggerpoz.com/index.html

But, it has its setbacks. My dog still will try to jump on the couch or bed (a definite no-no) if
not watched or penned. She tried jumping onto my lap a couple weeks ago and the right rear leg just
caved out from under her, going sideways at the stifle (knee). Of course, if she had surgery she'd
still try to run and jump, risking undoing the surgical treatments, whichever one I chose to have
done.

The author of the site above is against immediate surgery. But, the vets who do the surgery are very
much against 'not' doing the surgery immediately, citing all sorts of dire consequences.

Oh well, it's thoughts like these that go through one's head at 2:30 in the morning just to ensure a
good night's sleep is not happening.

Have a great day all!!

Drs like to cure, John. Surgeons like to do surgery

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Drs like to cure, John. Surgeons like to do surgery

That's the damn truth right there!

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:56:56 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Drs like to cure, John. Surgeons like to do surgery

That's the damn truth right there!

===

And if your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail...

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Drs like to cure, John. Surgeons like to do surgery

When I was in DC I spent a lot of time around doctors, some of the
best in town. (My ex was the senior "lay" person in a big DC hospital
administrative staff) I found the surgeons to be the most skilled.
They have a trade that requires physical ability. They actually fix
things. The rest just throw pills at you and hope the problem goes
away.

wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Drs like to cure, John. Surgeons like to do surgery

When I was in DC I spent a lot of time around doctors, some of the
best in town. (My ex was the senior "lay" person in a big DC hospital
administrative staff) I found the surgeons to be the most skilled.
They have a trade that requires physical ability. They actually fix
things. The rest just throw pills at you and hope the problem goes
away.


Naive to the point of absurdity.

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Posted with my iPhone 7+.

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:44:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

When I was in DC I spent a lot of time around doctors, some of the
best in town. (My ex was the senior "lay" person in a big DC hospital
administrative staff) I found the surgeons to be the most skilled.
They have a trade that requires physical ability. They actually fix
things. The rest just throw pills at you and hope the problem goes
away.


Naive to the point of absurdity.

OK what do non-surgical doctors do to cure you? You get pills,
injections, creams or something you shove up your ass.
These days that choice seems to depend on the sales pitch and freebies
they get from the drug salesman as much as anything.

On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:25:54 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:44:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

When I was in DC I spent a lot of time around doctors, some of the
best in town. (My ex was the senior "lay" person in a big DC hospital
administrative staff) I found the surgeons to be the most skilled.
They have a trade that requires physical ability. They actually fix
things. The rest just throw pills at you and hope the problem goes
away.


Naive to the point of absurdity.

OK what do non-surgical doctors do to cure you? You get pills,
injections, creams or something you shove up your ass.
These days that choice seems to depend on the sales pitch and freebies
they get from the drug salesman as much as anything.

My guy, an internist, has found things that he didn't treat, but he did send me to the right guy for
treatment. The abdominal aortic aneurysm was the most significant of his findings. The surgeon who
repaired it called him a miracle worker for finding it.

On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 06:33:26 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:44:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

When I was in DC I spent a lot of time around doctors, some of the
best in town. (My ex was the senior "lay" person in a big DC hospital
administrative staff) I found the surgeons to be the most skilled.
They have a trade that requires physical ability. They actually fix
things. The rest just throw pills at you and hope the problem goes
away.


Naive to the point of absurdity.

OK what do non-surgical doctors do to cure you? You get pills,
injections, creams or something you shove up your ass.
These days that choice seems to depend on the sales pitch and freebies
they get from the drug salesman as much as anything.


What surgery would you recommend for Harry to cure jock itchor
compulsive nail biting or sleep apnea or osteopenia?

First thing I'd do is unsubscribe him from 'Digital Desire'!

7:35
On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:05:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Drs like to cure, John. Surgeons like to do surgery

When I was in DC I spent a lot of time around doctors, some of the
best in town. (My ex was the senior "lay" person in a big DC hospital
administrative staff) I found the surgeons to be the most skilled.
They have a trade that requires physical ability. They actually fix
things. The rest just throw pills at you and hope the problem goes
away.
......

Saving details but the surgeon who crammed the defibrillator into my chest couldn't have cared less whether I needed it or not....