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On 6/8/16 1:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 10:18:53 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 07:14:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


Your attempts to blame unionized teachers and their unions for the problems
in our schools.

It is certainly a big part of it. When you have a structure that is
totally vertically integrated and incompetent people are kicked
upstairs only based on time in grade, it is a problem.
Good teachers are the first to say, the union makes it impossible to
get rid of bad teachers and that pay is not based on performance,
simply on time in grade and diplomas.

"Good teachers." Who says they're good? What measure are you using?

I suppose you could start with the ones who actually demonstrate that
their students learned the year's course material ... You know, the
dreaded "T" word.


All you can try to demonstrate is that you properly taught the material.
The "receivers" have to do their part, too, for learning to take place.

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On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 14:38:39 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 6/8/16 1:52 PM, wrote:

I suppose you could start with the ones who actually demonstrate that
their students learned the year's course material ... You know, the
dreaded "T" word.


All you can try to demonstrate is that you properly taught the material.
The "receivers" have to do their part, too, for learning to take place.

Now you are the one saying there is nothing we can do.
If the system was truly color blind, they could rate the students and
the teachers. Unfortunately when they actually identify those "at
risk" students, there is a racial/economic component and that is taboo
to even talk about. If you single out students for extra attention, it
still has to reflect the racial makeup of the total school population
or you are profiling in the eyes of the left.

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On 6/8/16 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 14:38:39 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 6/8/16 1:52 PM, wrote:

I suppose you could start with the ones who actually demonstrate that
their students learned the year's course material ... You know, the
dreaded "T" word.


All you can try to demonstrate is that you properly taught the material.
The "receivers" have to do their part, too, for learning to take place.

Now you are the one saying there is nothing we can do.
If the system was truly color blind, they could rate the students and
the teachers. Unfortunately when they actually identify those "at
risk" students, there is a racial/economic component and that is taboo
to even talk about. If you single out students for extra attention, it
still has to reflect the racial makeup of the total school population
or you are profiling in the eyes of the left.


I am saying you can't isolate teachers as a major cause.

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On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 15:29:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 6/8/16 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 14:38:39 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 6/8/16 1:52 PM, wrote:

I suppose you could start with the ones who actually demonstrate that
their students learned the year's course material ... You know, the
dreaded "T" word.


All you can try to demonstrate is that you properly taught the material.
The "receivers" have to do their part, too, for learning to take place.

Now you are the one saying there is nothing we can do.
If the system was truly color blind, they could rate the students and
the teachers. Unfortunately when they actually identify those "at
risk" students, there is a racial/economic component and that is taboo
to even talk about. If you single out students for extra attention, it
still has to reflect the racial makeup of the total school population
or you are profiling in the eyes of the left.


I am saying you can't isolate teachers as a major cause.

Bull****. ****ty teachers are ****ty teachers. ****ty union teachers are kept on the job, or at
least getting paid, simply because of the unions.

Amen.

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On 6/8/2016 10:52 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 07:14:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


Your attempts to blame unionized teachers and their unions for the problems
in our schools.

It is certainly a big part of it. When you have a structure that is
totally vertically integrated and incompetent people are kicked
upstairs only based on time in grade, it is a problem.
Good teachers are the first to say, the union makes it impossible to
get rid of bad teachers and that pay is not based on performance,
simply on time in grade and diplomas.


The teachers are just union pawns. Harry is trying to include the
teachers in the union shenanigans. IT"S ALL ABOUT THE UNIONS. THEY ARE
AMONG THE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTORS TO THE OFFSHORING EPIDEMIC AND THE HIGH
COST AND NON COMPETITIVENESS OF UNION SHOPS. **** EM ALL!

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On 6/8/2016 12:09 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/8/16 10:52 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 07:14:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


Your attempts to blame unionized teachers and their unions for the
problems
in our schools.

It is certainly a big part of it. When you have a structure that is
totally vertically integrated and incompetent people are kicked
upstairs only based on time in grade, it is a problem.
Good teachers are the first to say, the union makes it impossible to
get rid of bad teachers and that pay is not based on performance,
simply on time in grade and diplomas.


Parents are the big and biggest part of it. Teachers are handed their
kids, along with all the problems the kids have, all the problems the
kids have in their home life, all the pressures society put on kids, the
financial problems of both parents, assuming both are at home, having to
work a job or jobs outside of the home, et cetera.

Throw the unions out. Get rid of underperforming and bad teachers. Hire
competent and productive teachers and pay them accordingly.

Today's Chuckle...
 

On 6/8/2016 12:46 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 08:40:19 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 6/8/16 8:32 AM, Tim wrote:

7:08 AMKeyser Söze
- show quoted text -
I don't buy into Fretwell's attempts to blame classroom teachers and
their unions for the ills that plague our public schools or, in fact,
Fretwell's never-ending attempts to blame "government" for everything.

My response was to his query.
-----

Your response had nothing to do with his quote you used...



Fretwell:

"That union you support blindly is one thing that assures incompetent
teachers can never be fired. It is hard enough to get rid of the
drunks and the ones screwing their students in the biblical sense.
Simply screwing them academically is perfectly OK with the AFT and
NEA. Meanwhile Randi is sucking down about a half million a year plus
expenses and perks"

That's ignorant nonsense, probably caused by an overdose of silly
libertarianism.

When have you ever taught in a public high school, Harry?

Oh, you haven't. That explains your lack of pertinent knowledge.

Harry's teaching experience was teaching the dumbest of the dumb
"bonehead English"

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On 6/8/2016 3:29 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 6/8/16 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 14:38:39 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 6/8/16 1:52 PM, wrote:

I suppose you could start with the ones who actually demonstrate that
their students learned the year's course material ... You know, the
dreaded "T" word.


All you can try to demonstrate is that you properly taught the material.
The "receivers" have to do their part, too, for learning to take place.

Now you are the one saying there is nothing we can do.
If the system was truly color blind, they could rate the students and
the teachers. Unfortunately when they actually identify those "at
risk" students, there is a racial/economic component and that is taboo
to even talk about. If you single out students for extra attention, it
still has to reflect the racial makeup of the total school population
or you are profiling in the eyes of the left.


I am saying you can't isolate teachers as a major cause.

You betcha. But The unions are a different story. They are mixed up in
almost everything amiss in educational system.

Today's Chuckle...
 

Tim wrote:
7:08 AMKeyser Söze
- show quoted text -
I don't buy into Fretwell's attempts to blame classroom teachers and
their unions for the ills that plague our public schools or, in fact,
Fretwell's never-ending attempts to blame "government" for everything.

My response was to his query.
-----

Your response had nothing to do with his quote you used...

And the "professional writer" failed to post a complete sentence.

"Your attempts to blame unionized teachers and their unions for the problems
in our schools."

Today's Chuckle...
 

On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 15:29:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 6/8/16 3:23 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 14:38:39 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 6/8/16 1:52 PM, wrote:

I suppose you could start with the ones who actually demonstrate that
their students learned the year's course material ... You know, the
dreaded "T" word.


All you can try to demonstrate is that you properly taught the material.
The "receivers" have to do their part, too, for learning to take place.

Now you are the one saying there is nothing we can do.
If the system was truly color blind, they could rate the students and
the teachers. Unfortunately when they actually identify those "at
risk" students, there is a racial/economic component and that is taboo
to even talk about. If you single out students for extra attention, it
still has to reflect the racial makeup of the total school population
or you are profiling in the eyes of the left.


I am saying you can't isolate teachers as a major cause.

I agree. It is part of the problem but not the only problem by a long
shot. The government school model is the biggest problem along with
the huge bureaucracy that drags along.
Things that may work perfectly in Calvert County may not work at all
in Anacostia yet the government says they must be the same.
When you start tailoring the curriculum to the students,
discrimination is the first thing we hear, even when it is the poor
student that is getting the most resources.
The simple fact that only about 43% of the school budget actually
trickles down to the classroom is a problem too.

There is a new concept that is catching in that looks promising. They
now have "home school" or "virtual school" where the kid stays at home
and the teacher comes in from the cloud. If nothing else, it
eliminates huge amounts of infrastructure (buses, food service and the
buildings themselves with everything that entails). That makes more
money available for teachers and they can have smaller class sizes.
Two of my grand kids have been doing that for a few years.
Palm Beach County had virtual school and it is real big in rural
Michigan where they are now.
It does only work where there is a home tho. Kids of crack heads are
not going to be able to do this.