Yo Calif Bill
 

On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 15:13:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

1977. Almost 40 years ago. Things have changed a bit.


From Harry's county web site
"Property owners may construct their own dwelling on their own
property without a license (with proper permits). "

Since these are generally state law, I am sure I could do it in PG
too. I do agree, the process is more complicated these days but that
is what happens when the government gets to be out of control. The
inspection process has not changed much and that is where safety comes
in.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/4/16 4:08 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 15:13:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

1977. Almost 40 years ago. Things have changed a bit.


From Harry's county web site
"Property owners may construct their own dwelling on their own
property without a license (with proper permits). "

Since these are generally state law, I am sure I could do it in PG
too. I do agree, the process is more complicated these days but that
is what happens when the government gets to be out of control. The
inspection process has not changed much and that is where safety comes
in.



Why is the government out of control? The electrician and plumber who
did my genny got their permits without delays or difficulties, and the
inspectors came out in short order.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/4/16 2:16 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 13:31:29 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:



Gosh, and you can't remember with whom you worked while serving your country in
Vietnam.

What a hero, Krause.
--


Not even a nice try, dickhead. Of course I remember, but no one has to
respond to your repetitive and idiotic "demands." Go **** yourself, if
you can get it up, which I doubt.

Yo Calif Bill
 

2:12 PMKeyser Söze
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Tim wrote:
12:33 PMKeyser Söze
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Some people would prefer to have the job done by properly trained,
experience, and insured licensed contractors and workers.
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The properly trained, experienced, and insured licensed contractor
charged me $150.00 to finish mine. I did everything else myself. When you
know code, you can do code. He liked my side over and said I did better
than spec (higher gauge) wire and signed it off too.


How wonderful for you.
- show quoted text
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Yes I was pretty proud of myself especially knowing I don't have to hire everything done in my life

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/4/16 4:31 PM, Tim wrote:
2:12 PMKeyser Söze
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Tim wrote:
12:33 PMKeyser Söze
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Some people would prefer to have the job done by properly trained,
experience, and insured licensed contractors and workers.
-----

The properly trained, experienced, and insured licensed contractor
charged me $150.00 to finish mine. I did everything else myself. When you
know code, you can do code. He liked my side over and said I did better
than spec (higher gauge) wire and signed it off too.


How wonderful for you.
- show quoted text
-----

Yes I was pretty proud of myself especially knowing I don't have to hire everything done in my life


Neither do I.

Yo Calif Bill
 

3:35 PMKeyser Söze
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Neither do I.
----

"How wonderful for you."

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 16:15:48 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/4/16 4:08 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 15:13:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

1977. Almost 40 years ago. Things have changed a bit.


From Harry's county web site
"Property owners may construct their own dwelling on their own
property without a license (with proper permits). "

Since these are generally state law, I am sure I could do it in PG
too. I do agree, the process is more complicated these days but that
is what happens when the government gets to be out of control. The
inspection process has not changed much and that is where safety comes
in.



Why is the government out of control? The electrician and plumber who
did my genny got their permits without delays or difficulties, and the
inspectors came out in short order.

I simply what qualifies for a fast tracked (while you wait) on the
Calvert County web site. They are really just for things that should
not really need one anyway. (sheds, decks etc) At a certain point it
is just a building tax.
Permits here are tougher than they are in Maryland but it is mostly
just corporate welfare, benefitting people with a large compliance
department over the small guy. That is true of most government
regulation tho. If you can send a bunch of lawyers and some carefully
targeted campaign contributions, regulation really does not apply to
you.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 16:35:48 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/4/16 4:31 PM, Tim wrote:
2:12 PMKeyser Söze
- hide quoted text -
Tim wrote:
12:33 PMKeyser Söze
- show quoted text -
Some people would prefer to have the job done by properly trained,
experience, and insured licensed contractors and workers.
-----

The properly trained, experienced, and insured licensed contractor
charged me $150.00 to finish mine. I did everything else myself. When you
know code, you can do code. He liked my side over and said I did better
than spec (higher gauge) wire and signed it off too.


How wonderful for you.
- show quoted text
-----

Yes I was pretty proud of myself especially knowing I don't have to hire everything done in my life


Neither do I.

Yeah you managed to put a gas block in an AR, all by yourself.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/4/2016 3:46 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 15:13:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/4/2016 2:57 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 13:51:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/4/2016 1:33 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/4/16 1:00 PM, Tim wrote:
11:46
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 02:37:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:
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If you can get the generator for $3500, why would it cost $6500 to
hook it up? I suspect they were charging you quite a bit more for the
gen set. It sounds like you already had most of the infrastructure in
place anyway.
In my case the gas line is roughed in with a valve on a capped pipe
(when they plumbed in the pool heater) and I would need about 50' of
2ga aluminum SER cable ($80 or so). I doubt I would spend more than
$300-400 to install it. This thing comes with the transfer switch. I
thought that was a good price but Harry would not let that stand.
--------
Some people think that if it costs way more then it has to be better.


Some people would prefer to have the job done by properly trained,
experience, and insured licensed contractors and workers.


In some places it's the only way to get a permit to do it
and it can become a problem if major changes or additions
are made to a property by DIY'ers when it comes time to sell it.


Homeowners can pull permits here. I was the "owner builder" for my
driveway, the addition and the pool.
Of course we are not one of those northern mobbed up union states.
The reality is, Maryland isn't either. I was owner builder for my 2
additions there too. Both were fairly extensive. The biggest one
included a structural, plumbing, electrical, roofing, grading,
driveway and HVAC permit along with a DOT permit to cross the right of
way.
I got all of them in one day. Amazing I thought. That was 1977 and I
bet it is harder now.
I hired a mason for the concrete and block/brick but I did the rest
myself. That has been my policy since. I can do concrete and block but
I am slower than I want it to go.
I went from this
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/72house.jpg
to this
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/1977%20house.jpg



1977. Almost 40 years ago. Things have changed a bit.


I suppose I could look it up but I bet homeowners can still pull
permits in Maryland. I know they can here.



As far as I know homeowers can pull permits here also but some projects
require a licensed whatever to actually do or supervise the work.
Depends on what the project is. The average weekend warrior cannot
possibly be current on the ever changing building and electrical codes.
For example, years ago
I ran some heavy duty speaker wire in some walls in a room in the
basement that we were finishing. Perfectly acceptable then but not now.
You have to use a special wire designed for that purpose because it was
discovered that ordinary speaker wire ... even 12 ga ... allowed a fire
to travel along it like a fuse.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 5:11:49 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/4/2016 3:46 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 15:13:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/4/2016 2:57 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 13:51:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/4/2016 1:33 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/4/16 1:00 PM, Tim wrote:
11:46
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 02:37:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:
- show quoted text -
If you can get the generator for $3500, why would it cost $6500 to
hook it up? I suspect they were charging you quite a bit more for the
gen set. It sounds like you already had most of the infrastructure in
place anyway.
In my case the gas line is roughed in with a valve on a capped pipe
(when they plumbed in the pool heater) and I would need about 50' of
2ga aluminum SER cable ($80 or so). I doubt I would spend more than
$300-400 to install it. This thing comes with the transfer switch. I
thought that was a good price but Harry would not let that stand.
--------
Some people think that if it costs way more then it has to be better.


Some people would prefer to have the job done by properly trained,
experience, and insured licensed contractors and workers.


In some places it's the only way to get a permit to do it
and it can become a problem if major changes or additions
are made to a property by DIY'ers when it comes time to sell it.


Homeowners can pull permits here. I was the "owner builder" for my
driveway, the addition and the pool.
Of course we are not one of those northern mobbed up union states.
The reality is, Maryland isn't either. I was owner builder for my 2
additions there too. Both were fairly extensive. The biggest one
included a structural, plumbing, electrical, roofing, grading,
driveway and HVAC permit along with a DOT permit to cross the right of
way.
I got all of them in one day. Amazing I thought. That was 1977 and I
bet it is harder now.
I hired a mason for the concrete and block/brick but I did the rest
myself. That has been my policy since. I can do concrete and block but
I am slower than I want it to go.
I went from this
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/72house.jpg
to this
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/1977%20house.jpg



1977. Almost 40 years ago. Things have changed a bit.


I suppose I could look it up but I bet homeowners can still pull
permits in Maryland. I know they can here.



As far as I know homeowers can pull permits here also but some projects
require a licensed whatever to actually do or supervise the work.
Depends on what the project is. The average weekend warrior cannot
possibly be current on the ever changing building and electrical codes.
For example, years ago
I ran some heavy duty speaker wire in some walls in a room in the
basement that we were finishing. Perfectly acceptable then but not now.
You have to use a special wire designed for that purpose because it was
discovered that ordinary speaker wire ... even 12 ga ... allowed a fire
to travel along it like a fuse.


That's one advantage of living where I do. We don't have building permits. Maybe for commercial property but for residence and farms, no...