Yo Calif Bill
 

On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 08:14:13 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/5/16 7:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



Whatever John. I was not addressing you anyway and I am not really
interested in getting in a stupid argument with you. What's the temp
down there anyway? Shouldn't you be heading for the golf course on an
early Saturday morning?



I've been unimpressed by the design, choice of materials, and execution
of many of the "homebrew" construction projects I've seen depicted here
in rec.boats.


Of course not. You didn't do them.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 08:17:15 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/5/16 8:05 AM, John H. wrote:



Temp is 36. 'Chipped' my ankle bone, whatever that means. Won't be golfing for a
while. Go to the ortho guy Monday AM. Running around in a splint now.
--

Wow...it is a hopeful sign that both you and your idiot buddy, FlaJim,
are disintegrating before our very eyes, as it were. Maybe you an "putt"
the ankle bone on the other foot.



Write much?
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Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!

Yo Calif Bill
 

7:07 AMKeyser Söze
On 3/5/16 7:30 AM, John H. wrote:


As a commander, I often inspected my troops and their equipment. Usually I saw things
that were overlooked by the NCO's and the troops.


I'll just bet you inspected their "equipment."
----

So, what are you insinuating there, Harry?

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/5/16 9:31 AM, Tim wrote:

7:07 AMKeyser Söze
On 3/5/16 7:30 AM, John H. wrote:


As a commander, I often inspected my troops and their equipment. Usually I saw things
that were overlooked by the NCO's and the troops.


I'll just bet you inspected their "equipment."
----

So, what are you insinuating there, Harry?



Well, the three leading assholes contending for the GOP nomination are
bragging about which one has the biggest dick. As a former commander,
Herring could inspect the fellas and their "equipment" and report back.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/5/16 10:08 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/5/16 9:31 AM, Tim wrote:

7:07 AMKeyser Söze
On 3/5/16 7:30 AM, John H. wrote:


As a commander, I often inspected my troops and their equipment.
Usually I saw things
that were overlooked by the NCO's and the troops.


I'll just bet you inspected their "equipment."
----

So, what are you insinuating there, Harry?



Well, the three leading assholes contending for the GOP nomination are
bragging about which one has the biggest dick. As a former commander,
Herring could inspect the fellas and their "equipment" and report back.


Oh, damn...too late:

Christie Verifies Size of Trump's Penis
NEW YORK - New Jersey Governor Chris Christie held a press conference
Friday afternoon to personally vouch for the size of Republican
frontrunner Donald Trump's penis. "I have personally seen it, and let me
assure you, it is substantial," Christie said. The New Jersey Governor
refused to divulge the circumstances under which he ascertained the size
of the billionaire's penis, saying only, "I am proud to be associated
with such a big dick."


From Andy Borowitz, of course.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 10:11:44 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/5/16 10:08 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/5/16 9:31 AM, Tim wrote:

7:07 AMKeyser Söze
On 3/5/16 7:30 AM, John H. wrote:


As a commander, I often inspected my troops and their equipment.
Usually I saw things
that were overlooked by the NCO's and the troops.


I'll just bet you inspected their "equipment."
----

So, what are you insinuating there, Harry?



Well, the three leading assholes contending for the GOP nomination are
bragging about which one has the biggest dick. As a former commander,
Herring could inspect the fellas and their "equipment" and report back.


Oh, damn...too late:

Christie Verifies Size of Trump's Penis
NEW YORK - New Jersey Governor Chris Christie held a press conference
Friday afternoon to personally vouch for the size of Republican
frontrunner Donald Trump's penis. "I have personally seen it, and let me
assure you, it is substantial," Christie said. The New Jersey Governor
refused to divulge the circumstances under which he ascertained the size
of the billionaire's penis, saying only, "I am proud to be associated
with such a big dick."


From Andy Borowitz, of course.

You feeling mesmerized by penis sizes, Krause?
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 07:19:34 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/5/2016 6:40 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 21:35:06 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/4/2016 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 19:11:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/4/2016 6:54 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 18:32:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


That's one advantage of living where I do. We don't have building permits. Maybe for commercial property but for residence and farms, no...


Why is that an advantage?

Because people are responsible for their own destiny?
If Tim's house burns down, why is that anybody else's business?

You can't be serious. How about the people who may someday buy Tim's
house full of unpermited and un-inspected for basic safety purposes?
(Not doubting Tim ... just using him as an example since he said
permits are not required where he lives for residential buildings).

Caveat Emptor? If they live in a place where they know there was no
building code process, they need to do their due diligence.
There is still no guarantee that a homeowner did unpermitted work,
even in your town. Perhaps it is actually better if you don't have
this illusion of safety.


How about unsuspecting guests that may be staying in a DIYurselfer abode
full of "modifications"?


I could say the same thing about a dozen other things that may be
lurking in a house. You are probably more likely to be bitten by a dog
and then there are the guns ;-)

I suspect you will find they have a lot more fires in places with
strict building codes than places without because the homeowners are
generally more aware of their responsibilities.

There are certainly many things a homeowner should and can do without
a permit. But major changes ... structural or electrical ... should
require a permit and a followup inspection for code and safety.

Most fires are caused by the stuff the home owner plugs in, not the
building wiring.


I have been through this process myself several times and my wife
built over 100 houses. Trust me the permit and inspection process is
just a feel good program that employs a lot of bureaucrats. I used to
have plenty of time to do inspections because I only did 1 or 2 a day
but I still knew I was not able to check everything or even a
significant percentage of everything. Your typical muni inspector
leaves the shop with 20 or 30 cards in his pocket, spread out over a
county. He is not really looking at much.
The guys I was inspecting were always shocked at the stuff I looked at
but it was really more curiosity than inspecting. I did embarrass them
a few times, seeing stuff they walked by every day and never noticed.
I was working on a lot of pretty interesting projects tho.

I guess you are special. But most inspectors know what they are looking
for since they do it on a regular basis and they get to know who does
good work and who doesn't. My son-in-law is a licensed electrician with
his own business. The inspectors in the towns he does work have gotten
to know him and the type of work he does. They can tell with just a
cursory inspection his work is to code and is done correctly.


Like I said the illusion of safety. You are saying they just trust the
guy doing the work to never screw up.
Most residential contractors are hiring other people to do the work.

I don't know much about Massachusetts but in Florida and Maryland, the
contractor is licensed but the guy actually twisting the wirenut will
be anything from a carded journeyman to a guy they just hired last
week. Anyone with a rusty pair of Kliens and a mouth full of wirenuts
could call himself an electrician when the housing boom was going and
I bet it is getting that way again.
The contractor is only as good as the worst guy on his team, on his
worst day. The inspector is only spot checking the work. "Drive by"
inspections are more common than the AHJs want to admit.

I wouldn't just pick on residential. When I was at IBM and also an
inspector, I had a standing bet that I could find a violation just
about anywhere we were. I never bought my own coffee if they were
willing to play.




I find your thinking on this subject to be somewhat conflicting but also
amusing. On one hand you dismiss the importance of
having qualified and licensed people doing structural or electrical
work on homes or whatever yet you brag about your 8 years of being
a super sleuth "inspector" of other people's work.


I saw no bragging. Is this bragging?


"I used to have plenty of time to do inspections because I only did 1 or 2 a day
but I still knew I was not able to check everything or even a
significant percentage of everything."


Referring more to this:

"The guys I was inspecting were always shocked at the stuff I looked at
but it was really more curiosity than inspecting. I did embarrass them
a few times, seeing stuff they walked by every day and never noticed."

Maybe "bragging" is the wrong word. "Boasting? perhaps? :-)


Nope, just saying a guy like me who was not really in the electrical
trade looked at things with different eyes and seeing things they
never noticed.
The one that still amazed all of us was on the VA hospital in Port
Charlotte. They were using EMT as support straps between the metal
studs. They then used one holers to fasten the raceways to the pieces
of EMT with Tek screws.
One of the installers had a touch of dyslexia one day and shot a
buttload of Tek screws into the raceways, strapping the support
pieces.
Those guys walked by that for weeks and nobody noticed it. That was an
example of an embarrassed super and contractor.
Another one was a pipe job at Hendry Correctional where an inmate very
carefully bent "2000" in a stick of EMT, they had wire in it and the
lights were on. Nobody saw it until I pointed it out. It was hiding in
plain sight.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Sat, 05 Mar 2016 08:39:06 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 08:14:13 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/5/16 7:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



Whatever John. I was not addressing you anyway and I am not really
interested in getting in a stupid argument with you. What's the temp
down there anyway? Shouldn't you be heading for the golf course on an
early Saturday morning?



I've been unimpressed by the design, choice of materials, and execution
of many of the "homebrew" construction projects I've seen depicted here
in rec.boats.


Of course not. You didn't do them.

Don't you mean, he didn't hire some union guy to do it?

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/5/16 10:23 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 10:11:44 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/5/16 10:08 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/5/16 9:31 AM, Tim wrote:

7:07 AMKeyser Söze
On 3/5/16 7:30 AM, John H. wrote:


As a commander, I often inspected my troops and their equipment.
Usually I saw things
that were overlooked by the NCO's and the troops.


I'll just bet you inspected their "equipment."
----

So, what are you insinuating there, Harry?



Well, the three leading assholes contending for the GOP nomination are
bragging about which one has the biggest dick. As a former commander,
Herring could inspect the fellas and their "equipment" and report back.


Oh, damn...too late:

Christie Verifies Size of Trump's Penis
NEW YORK - New Jersey Governor Chris Christie held a press conference
Friday afternoon to personally vouch for the size of Republican
frontrunner Donald Trump's penis. "I have personally seen it, and let me
assure you, it is substantial," Christie said. The New Jersey Governor
refused to divulge the circumstances under which he ascertained the size
of the billionaire's penis, saying only, "I am proud to be associated
with such a big dick."


From Andy Borowitz, of course.

You feeling mesmerized by penis sizes, Krause?
--

Obviously you missed your party's last ****ing contest, er, debate.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/5/16 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 05 Mar 2016 08:39:06 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 08:14:13 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/5/16 7:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



Whatever John. I was not addressing you anyway and I am not really
interested in getting in a stupid argument with you. What's the temp
down there anyway? Shouldn't you be heading for the golf course on an
early Saturday morning?



I've been unimpressed by the design, choice of materials, and execution
of many of the "homebrew" construction projects I've seen depicted here
in rec.boats.


Of course not. You didn't do them.

Don't you mean, he didn't hire some union guy to do it?



The electricians and plumbers who did our generator install were working
for union contractors. Their prices were lower than those of the
non-union generator contractor up the road.